• th3_n4m31355_0n3@lemmy.world
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      Terrorist apologists believe history began in 1948 in order to hide under the rug acts like Hebron in 1929. How convenient for them.

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        possible solutions, don’t try and convince the current occupying force to give the religious holy site to one group

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      In his diary entries from 1895, Herzl unambiguously advocated for the forced emigration of Palestinians, writing “to spirit the penniless [Palestinian] population across the border by denying it any employment in our own country… Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.” He envisioned a program of strict ethnic segregation, denying Palestinians employment and economic opportunities, to compel their exodus.

      Herzl believed this combination of ethnic separation and forced transfer, or ethnic cleansing, could be made to appear voluntary, masking the violent reality. This cynical blueprint of demographic engineering through discrimination and dispossession was perhaps his most insidious contribution to the ideology of settler colonialism.

  • th3_n4m31355_0n3@lemmy.world
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    OMG! Disgusting! How dared they, from the ghettos of entire Europe where they were imprisoned and from escaping the progroms of tzarist Russia, systematically hunted, murdered, raped, robbed of their belongings and expulsed from their own houses all across the “civilized” world for the last 2.000 years, how dared they come up with going back to their own attested land since the age of pharaohs where they were living 5.000 years ago, expulsed by the filistine sea people invaders first at the end of bronze age, then Romans second, then Arab conquerors third, how dared they even think of going back to their homeland and propose the relocation of palestinians? Relocating is genocide! Funny how everything is blamed on Zionism and not on what caused the birth of Zionism in the first place. Eternal game of the colonialist powers of blaming the victims made their conscience sleep better with rivers of blood on their hands on top of the piles of gold and wealth “confiscated” from the Jews.

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      expulsed by the filistine sea people invaders first at the end of bronze age

      This is not correct.

      There were no Israelites in the LBA, they emerge distinct from the Canaanites in the early Iron Age in parallel to the forced resettlement of the sea peoples into the area by Ramses III.

      The very first historical mention of Israel recognized by the majority of scholars is in an Egyptian inscription talking about battling the sea peoples and Libyans with Israel mentioned in what’s effectively a footnote.

      In fact, it’s likely a lot of the pre-10th century stories in Judaism are actually stories from the sea peoples and Libyans, and in just the past decade or so there’s been discoveries of cohabitation with the Philistines contrary to the stories of conflict, and of Aegean style pottery made with local clay in early Israelite areas like Tel Dan.

      The Bible literally has a story about how the birthright and inheritance of a guy is taken from him by the guy named ‘Israel’ (which to be fair, was probably added in by later Judahite propaganda trying to insert themselves into the history as one of the twelve tribes, when they don’t seem to really exist in a meaningful way until more like the 10th century BCE).

      There’s more to the story than what’s in the book.

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      What kind of bullshit propaganda is this shit? WTF Relocating people to where? Out of their homes? Would YOU relocate? You can’t justify a genocide by playing victims!

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      I like how this comment tries to justify a genocide.

      ‘Hey, we are the victims here. All these genocidal acts committed by us didn’t happen out of thin air. We can’t no longer endure them. So please, please let us commit all these atrocities so that we can be the perpetrators instead of the victims.’

      Sincerely,

      -The Zionists-

      • th3_n4m31355_0n3@lemmy.world
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        I wasn’t justifying anything. I was just pointing the current shit show isn’t a recent surprise. Great powers that played with borders and cultures and famine like toys. Palestine, India-Pakistan, Cyprus, Suez Canal crisis just to name a few - all have one thing in common - British politicking.

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          Okay, who gives a shit. Right now there is a genocide happening, after a century of oppression. This is not the time for “whataboutism”, this is the time to end the genocide, blockades, etc.

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            What do you mean who gives a shit? The palestinians obviously, because now they’re on the receiving end of the Israelis, beasts you yourselves, the westerners, created by treating them horrendously during hundreds of years of genocides then had the briliant idea to say sorry to them by gathering them and planting them in one of your colonies that also treated them bad for thousand of years. And now you behave like how could this happen, we did nothing wrong! Enjoy your masterpiece now, colonialists!

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              No, nobody gives a shit about “brits setting up maps”. All you want to do is distract from the real matter - Israel is commiting a genocide now that needs to stop immediately.

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                Eggzactly! Nobody cares for palis either. UK ban on selling arms to Israel would strengthen Hamas, says Cameron (BBC title 5 days ago). Who are you to ask for it to stop NOW when Britain is making bank from it? Like 500 million £ bank. bUt iT’s iSrAeL’s fAuLt, not western greed! First they stole Jewish gold to make their monarchs rich in the race for colonies, now they trade for Jewish gold to make their governments stronk in its race for power, it’s always the western lust for Jewish moolah. And what genocide are you talking about? 20k terrorists sent to their maker isn’t genocide. UN confirmed there was no genocide. So stop with this al jazeera arabyia & its qatari al qaeda owners propaganda bs.

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                  I am not agreeing with you, so you can shove your “exactly” where it belongs. Keep ranting all you want, it doesn’t make what you say true.

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      Forced relocation of a group fits with Article 2, C;

      Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

      So yes Israel is committing genocide.

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        Who is relocating who because the Israelites, a tribe of Canaanites were living in the area since 3.000 BC as attested by pyramid hieroglyphs as being used as slaves by Egyptian pharaohs, then in 1.800 BC being relocated by the filistines (believed to be Aegean naval warriors, having nothing in common with the present day “palestinians” that came from the Arabian peninsula), an invading sea people, that occupied the area, then in 72 CE the invading Roman army relocated them again, then the Crusaders, then the Arab invaders occupied the area and relocated them again, then the Ottoman empire same story until the present day. 5.000 years of attested continual inhabitance of the territory by the jews, resisting waves and waves of home invaders, yet they’re in the wrong for trying to live peacefully in their own home. International law at its finest, always blaming the victim.

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          Do you mean philistines?? And wtf are “sea people”? I’m thoroughly confused by all of your comments, as they make no sense.

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            Yes, the philistines, I’m not a native english speaker. What do you mean what are the “sea peoples”? How can you not know one of the darkest episode in world’s history? The Philistines who, in the 12th century BCE and under Egyptian auspices seeking truce after years of bloody wars, settled on the coast of the region they gave the name to, Palestine, are counted among the Sea Peoples by most researchers. Egyptian inscriptions call them “Peleset” while Hebrews called them “Plishtim” - philistines. Much suggests that they are of Greek origin. It is conceivable that the Philistines were in fact Mycenaeans and involved in the invasions and wars that destroyed the Hittites and brought an end to pharaonic Egypt’s golden age. Sea Peoples, any of the 7 groups of aggressive seafarers who invaded eastern Anatolia, Syria, Palestine, Cyprus, and Egypt toward the end of the Bronze Age, especially in the 13th century bce. They are held responsible for the destruction of old powers such as the Hittite empire. Because of the abrupt break in ancient Middle Eastern records as a result of the invasions, the precise extent and origin of the upheavals remain uncertain. Principal but one-sided evidence for the Sea Peoples is based on Egyptian texts and illustrations; other important information comes from Hittite sources. Tentative identifications of the Sea Peoples listed in Egyptian documents are as follows: Ekwesh, a group of Bronze Age Greeks (Achaeans; Ahhiyawa in Hittite texts); Teresh, Tyrrhenians (Tyrsenoi), known to later Greeks as sailors and pirates from Anatolia, ancestors of the Etruscans; Luka, a coastal people of western Anatolia, also known from Hittite sources (their name survives in classical Lycia on the southwest coast of Anatolia); Sherden, probably Sardinians (the Sherden acted as mercenaries of the Egyptians in the Battle of Kadesh, 1299 bce); Shekelesh, probably identical with the Sicilian tribe called Siculi; and Peleset, generally believed to refer to the Philistines, who perhaps came from Crete and were the only major tribe of the Sea Peoples to settle permanently in Palestine. After all the chaos associated with the invasion of the Sea Peoples, what emerged c.1100BC were the Philistine Pentopolis, the 12 Tribes of Israel, Phoenicia, Aram-Damascus, Ammon, Edom and Moab.

            Middle east circa 1100 BCE

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      back to their own attested land since the age of pharaohs where they were living 5.000 years ago

      Sorry, but that part makes no sense at all.