You mean like Soleimani? Or is this only scary when killing burguerlanders?
There’s a pretty big difference between an act of war against a state eager to call themselves your enemies and the execution of internal dissidents.
Not at war with Iran or Libya genius.
Lol, sure. Because an act of war is the same thing as being at war.
…I suppose you think that’s a clever statement.
No, I don’t, I think that’s the problem.
Do you have a dictionary?
burguerlanders? lol
So… SCOTUS decides in Trump’s favor, Biden has him assassinated, Biden wins election.
Trump is arguing that this will be OK, right? Right?
This is why they are delaying it until after the election. If Biden wins, they continue to stretch out the trial until Trump dies because of his old age and bad health, then go, “Well the defendant is dead so no reason to rule on this”, leaving it open until they get another chance
If Trump wins, then they rule in Trump’s favour with the trial suddenly going at breakneck speed
No, they’ll decide the bullshit immunity in June. But the delay is correct. By putting off deciding, they’ve delayed the actual trial until after the election. Fucking illegitimate Supreme Court. They didn’t waste time saying Colorado couldn’t leave him off the ballot, even going out of their way to not address the 14th Amendment disqualification.
SCOTUS would just argue it isn’t an official act if Biden does it.
If they decide that Presidents have total immunity, Biden better disappear a bunch of the SCOTUS, as well as a bunch of the insurrectionist Republicans. I don’t want to have an authoritarian in charge, but if I had to choose between Biden or trump, the choice is pretty easy.
After delivering democracy to other countries over past few decades, USA has one last job. And this time, it’s personal.
I wish someone would confront Trump about that during an interview. “So, do you have an armed guard, because you’re saying Biden can legally kill you?”
And then far right media would parrot for weeks that Biden actually wants to kill Trump. If they did what they did for a “stolen election” imagine what they would do if they had “reason” to suspect that Trump could be assassinated at Bidens wish
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
That’s their favorite stance. Because then they can claim moral righteousness. If you can’t get an upper hand logically, the next is emotionally.
I’d be pretty surprised if there were a private security option capable of holding off the military, if the president really wanted someone dead and had the legal go-ahead.
I’d be really surprised if Trump could afford them.
Then there’s the military’s ‘knife bomb’…
“While other versions of the Hellfire take out targets in the expected ways — through explosive force or with shrapnel — the R9X crushes or slices a target to death. It is essentially a flying bundle of swords that can kill the occupant of a car without harming people around the vehicle.”
How SOCOM’s secret ‘knife bomb’ became the prime weapon for killing hard-to-reach terrorists
You’ve also forgotten the easiest method - simply bribing (or in this case ordering, as the Secret Service still answers to Biden regardless of the fact that they protect Trump, AFAIK) someone close to him to kill him.
That’s very hard. You have to talk to someone and convince them. Or you can just dispatch a flight and go to dinner knowing it’s done
Former presidents get lifetime security detail as a benefit.
I’m aware. I’m not sure what exactly the secret service is going to do about a salvo of hellfire missiles. If the president of the US wants you dead and isn’t legally restrained I certainly wouldn’t trade places with you.
Hey, three hookers and an eight-ball will keep that USSS detail busy. No problemo.
Bizarrely there are, that’s what black water essentially is, a paramilitary group that can hold off a military. If you think it’s insane that we allow private companies own their own military, well it is. They of course not allowed to operate on US soil, but they exist.
Even Russia has laws against this, it’s kind of nut USA allows it. Of course, Russian law is one thing and wagers existence shows how well that law is followed. But even the Russian founders understood having a private military is insane.
*Edit arguably, Putin flaunting the law and creating Wagner is a reason he became a dictator and what the country was trying to prevent when they made the laws.
The fact you called them Blackwater (haven’t gone by that name since 2009) and posit that they’re more capable than the US military is farcical.
Blackwater was so dogged by scandal after scandal they change to ‘Xe’, then ‘Academi’, before being bought out by a real Private Security company - TripleCanopy.
And former SF pipe hitters in the ranks of PMCs or not, it’s the logistics and intelligence capabilities of the US military that enables them to be so lethal, which PMCs significantly lack.
He’s a broke bitch, owes half a billion in foreign loans alone. On another note, what kind of security force would be willing to suicide for him? His cult45? They have a combined IQ of an air conditioned room, the military would take them out like mowing your grass.
Lol if this were legal, there isn’t an armed guard, or even military on the planet that could save you from a us president with a gbu_28 on deck
Technically Biden would have to shoot the man himself, anyone he could order to do it either cannot legally and would basically just be eating the legal bullet for him even though he’s not in danger of it, or they have a legal duty to refuse the order.
It legitimately would not surprise me in 2024, if Biden just straight up shot trump during a debate.
We’d all be line “what!” Then go back to paying bills
It legitimately would not surprise me in 2024, if Biden just straight up shot trump during a debate.
“Man, I asked you to shut up!”
So you’re saying we can have some kind of tournament for the presidency?
Well Trump will obviously wait until he’s installed himself as a dictator in perpetuity before making this ok
I’d hold my nose and vote for biden if he took the initiative and drone-struck trump. Do it at a rally so I can laugh about it on YouTube later. That’ll be worth another 4 years of nothing getting done.
If the president can order a drone strike from across the world, why can’t it be against his political opponents at home.
Optics.
Okay, but - hypothetically - lets assume we have a large base of supporters who take indescribable glee in watching police crack the skulls of college students and pink-hatted feminists. Lets assume we have governors and mayors who surround themselves with paramilitary groups, while threatening to lock up anyone who voices dissent. And all these politicians win in landslide elections in their home states, because the shrinking pool of eligible voters is comprised more and more of these fanatics.
What then?
We become Bestest Korea
Oh yeah… The US has sanctioned extrajudicial assassination under Mr. “Yes We Can” Barak Obama. We’re far on the wrong side of that slope.
There was the choice of drone operations being completed on a local level, or to push the authority to authorise them up the chain.
Obama took personal responsibility for this new tool instead of letting the military use it in whatever way.
“Personal responsibility” is a hell of a way to describe giving yourself the power to kill indiscriminately with no oversight or consequences.
Yeah the status quo was some rando jarhead or spook makes that decision, so Obama changed it so his office makes the decision.
That’s not an improvement.
A single point of oversight, divorced from the operation is not better than multiple, who have the incentive to use this tool, despite the constant civilian casualties, because the alternative is the risk of casualties from the boots on the ground they command directly…?
Not an improvement? Do you have any criteria for good/bad here?
Those are some crazy leaps of reasoning. The president isn’t inherently “divorced” from anything and boots on the ground are not always the sole alternative as there’s also the option of doing neither.
I guess I’m just curious if you think the executives of other countries should also have the power to kill indiscriminately with no consequences or oversight. Would you be applying the same line of reasoning if we were talking about, say, Putin?
Assassination is when members of a militant organization we’re in armed conflict with are killed, I guess.
Any “military aged male” killed by a drone strike is counted as an “enemy combatant,” even when there’s not a shred of evidence.
Yeah, you should read a little more about this.
I have. Numerous times. Is this the “US citizens must be taken for a trial even when waging war against the US” or “Collateral damage is assassination” argument?
The USA should stoppes mass murdering village elders, farmers and so on, because they had been at the same location as someone else. The USA killed ten thousands without a single proof of them being guilty of anything. The USA also killed the families (including small children) of many of these innocent people.
Ah, so it has nothing to do with assassination at all, and that word is just being used for shock value. Great. Good talk.
Anybody have a source on the quote so I can read more about it? (sorry I’m lazy 🥺)
I listened to it here: https://www.youtube.com/live/VdDNCDFpBtA
From about 6:47
it is for them
God I wish they would just be more blunt:
“So according to you, Biden can kill you? If you say yes then hitmen will be on their way”
I’m sure I’ll backfire but god damn it’s annoying when they try to be civil against bad faith actors.
That’s how fascists play the game, they act ridiculous because the other guy cares too much about decorum and being polite to question the absurdity, so they just go along with it.
Exactly. Us lefties gotta take note but so it better lol
It’s up to us to be better than them. It’s never been easy, it will be frustrating, but it’s the only way to keep some decency in society.
- Letting society come to an end so that we can “keep some decency” in it is ridiculous.
- It is possible to be “better than them” and not let them line us all up for the gallows.
- You are not “better than them”. You literally are them. They are us. Stop being an arrogant dick head. You don’t get to be exempt because you are somehow superior.
This has value sometimes. But there are also times where the Democrats take this to an extreme where it borders self-flagellation, rather than a coherent civic value. For example, Republicans in Texas are capable of organizing a parallel military that will challenge the Federal government, and even though the Federal government had the legal right to dismantle it, liberals are far too concerned with appearances to do anything about it. When does this attitude of “decorum above all” end? Before or after fascists begin public lynchings? It’s not an attitude that is applied the same in all directions, either. Why are democrats far more eager to cast doubt into the legitimacy of anti-war protestors than in fighting against fascists challenging the State monopoly of violence?
Yeah, I’m not saying we need to self-flagellate.
It’s just more so I have seen a lot more people on the left getting far too aggressive lately. The amount of people that seem to want violence as an answer is staggering. We should be working towards civilized solutions, and only resort to violence when we must. I believe that we still have options for handling a lot of the issues in our country peacefully, even if those options are dwindling.
The Democratic Party is the exact kind of stupid to have it ruled that a President can assassinate political rivals, refuse to use the power, lose the election, and then act surprised when they all get executed.
This is exactly what will happen. If there is a ruling that the president can do whatever the fuck, this democracy is done. You’d hope to see Biden go down with the ship shooting from the bow. Unfortunately he wouldn’t. Dems will be trying to handshake across the aisle until they are executed the afternoon of Jan. 20th.
The problem is the SCOTUS said “maybe, see what the lower courts say” which is the only winning move for fascists on the question of presidential immunity. We all know what they really want to say is “Trump is immune, Biden is not” and kicking the can down the road until after the election accomplishes that, if Trump wins.
Yes. They’ll know what the “Constitutional Originalism” says about this one sometime in November.
If Biden wins no immunity, if Trump wins… Yes immunity
So he’s saying Biden is legally within his rights to assassinate Trump?
We get the president from “Escape from L A”
He also might be The Thing. That’s just what I’m hearing, lots of people are saying it.
remember kids, both sides are the same.
Nice flair
/s
What would be wild is if the “legal” justification they landed on was that the president specifically is immune but not the people under him. So you’d just have to hand Biden or Trump a handgun and watch them march up to someone and kill them because no police or military has the authority to stop the president
Obviously I don’t want to live in that world but at least then we’re living in a crazy movie dystopia which might at least be more fun to watch
And wouldn’t anyone in the line of succession to the presidency just be able to kill all those in front of them to take the
throneseat of president, thus becoming immune from the act of killing their predessesors?Biden/Trump/Whoever is president could simply officially order one of his top officers to push a button that drops a hellfire missile on their political opponent and then pardon them. The President is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces and also has the executive privilege of pardon available to them at their discretion for any reason or no reason at all. I’m 100% sure the president will find somebody in the chain of command with morals flexible enough to obey such an order.
And since you can’t go after the man himself because a corrupt SCOTUS is apparently poised to rule that they have immunity for “official acts” which is a nebulously defined term that can apply to literally any heinous act that they want, the country has essentially created a king by proxy.
Let’s let Joe have it. He’s old, he deserves it. How many fatalities can he even get before the long night takes him? 3? 4?
Come on, Joe, invite Tucker and Alex Jones to dinner.
Would love to hear the followup question, “If the president decides a supreme court justice is a corrupt person…”
That was entirely my point I made a couple weeks ago. If they move ahead on that decision, then Biden would be within his rights to have the consenting judges hung and replace them, hanging any members of congress or senators that tried to block the appointments. Then he could ask that court to reconsider the decision, and he would have been immune for these actions that occurred during the hiatus of accountability.
Seems like a fairly straightforward solution.
There is no stopping the justices from putting big caveats around their ruling.
It could be “in this very specific case with this very specific person at this very specific time we agree that the president is immune from prosecution. Any other acts by this or any other president are not included in this ruling.”
Ya, so its super important that Biden doesnt COMPLETELY shit the bed and disenfranchise the sweeping majority of American liberals. Right?
I think all the smart liberals and leftists have realized an immunity ruling would be used against them.
Yeah, but we’re talking about the Democratic leadership.
That might be true, but the gays are turning the frogs gay! Enough is enough! Maga 2024 /s
