just roll back to WinXP.
WinXP and (perhaps to a lesser extent) Win7 were decent tho Edit : said by someone that daily drives linux for like at least the last 4 years, 2 of which with tiling WMs
That’s how I feel installing 5+ apps to modify Windows until it works like it did in Windows XP.
The domain blacklist I was using was probably excessive then.
Pi hole?
At the time it was one of the other options that did the same thing
Five Win 11 computers no ads, never had to do anything special except pretending I’m from Europe.
If Linux users consider that hard then they truly aren’t that great with computers…
“To make my computer do as I wish I simply need to lie about my country of residence. I am very technically adept.”
TBF I do find that confusing. I’m used to human-readable conf files that persist across updates. But I can see how non-technical users might think understanding a collection of tricks is knowledge of their OS.
I’m just saying that people saying it’s hard to dodge ads on W11 don’t realize how easy it is to do it…
And we’re saying “You shouldn’t fucking have to.”
A lot of the ‘ads’ can be turned off with a toggle or two, it’s wild that people are losing their minds over this. Microsoft is shitty for making the call, but it’s an avoidable thing which doesn’t warrant this level of reaction.
People with this level of energy should be complaining about the online search not being a user facing option to turn off easily in Windows Home edition!
Litterally two sliders.
Or use shutup10
Linux community needs to assert dominance in one way or another, so let it be the way it is
I just dont get it, you pay for the OS, they monitor you like a hawk and sell that shit. Now they are like we need to make sure they get all these ads too, also we are going to ruin any app that you use, like search or notepad. We will milk this mother dry then claim users dont understand how much it costs to run the company.
Cost to run the company? They will proudly milk as much money as they can to maximize profits. Having a bigger margin is a point of pride for them. Watch any shareholder meeting. They will publicly brag about it.
Notepad is horrible now, how tf do you mess that up??
Notepad++ was gaining some traction so Microsoft figured they nip that in the bud with a half-hearted attempt?
Notepad++ was gaining some traction so Microsoft figured they nip that in the bud with a half-hearted attempt?
Microsoft’s competitor to Notepad++ is VS Code.
VSCode is a telemetry filled delight - easily Microsoft’s best product
Notepad++ is a text editor while VS Code is an IDE. They are intended for different use cases.
Notepad++ is a text editor while VS Code is an IDE. They are intended for different use cases.
No, both are source code editors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-code_editor#Notable_examples
Visual Studio is the full IDE, VS Code isn’t. Visual Studio and VS Code are completely different products, even though both carry Visual Studio branding.
What would be missing from VS Code or VS Codium that an IDE needs?
I’m an ex Visual Studio user, now writing all my code in VS Codium. I organize my project tree in VS Codium, I build from it and, like a Visual Studio user, I press F5 to debug, set breakpoints and inspect variables.
And that’s just the default install using the vanilla C/C++ extension it ships with, not some complicated setup that takes any time to get working.
What would be missing from VS Code or VS Codium that an IDE needs?
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More details on the Visual Studio website.
If you disagree with the assessments of both the VS Code developer and Wikipedia, please discuss it there.
What happened to notepad?
In Windows 11 it saves every text file you open as a new tab, so every time you open a text file you’ll have tabs upon tabs of every previous text file you ever opened.
Here’s a Reddit post with some people talking about how to disable it, how frustrating it is, and even how it’s causing problems by straight up opening the wrong file if it’s named the same as a text file you’ve opened in the past.
Not only that. Opening the same file again, opens it in a new tab ffs. I noticed this, when my ssh-config file (which has no file extension and is thus not linked to a program) had like 10 tabs open… Why would someone do that?
I mean tabs are fine, I guess, but this shit?
This stinks of panic MVP.
Here’s a Reddit post with some people talking about how to disable it, how frustrating it is
Virgin Windows users on Reddit: *Crying in a corner instead of looking in settings on their own and make 3(!) mouse clicks*
Chad Linux users on Lemmy: *Editing .conf files in vim*
So what’s the deal with vim? I spooled up a vps recently and decided to forgo the gui options, like a real Linux server admin. I have been using nano and it seems to do all I need from a basic text editor in the terminal. I get that vim/emacs meme-bantering but actually why. It accepts texts and stores them in files. What is the actual point/difference?
Wow finally. I remember when I moved to Notepad++ a decade ago when I still used Windows, to get that behaviour. Being able to close it without losing all the open tabs was a game changer.
Yeah, I noticed it in the new Notepad. Nifty feature. Notepad++ is still my go to for everything. Especially dumping “temporary code” in unsaved tabs, then like 6 months later trying to figure out if any of its still relevant or safe to finally close.
It can be reverted in settings. I just did this it was driving me mad. Why have the option for tabs without a close all option.
If you have a monopoly and need to maximize profits then the question becomes: Why not?! You could extract more money this way, and it’s not like your users would go anywhere else at this point.
That is why it’s so important to fight and break up monopolies, and to limit what these companies can do. Because they have no reason not to squeeze every penny they can get out of you!
Sad that Windows basically have stronghold in OS market. It’s a hurdle for linux to even hit 5%, and there is no alternatives for generic hardware…
I wish our indolent government would do its job breaking this shit up.
Issue is, I don’t think even the current competition is helping them to get better, if they became smaller for some reason they’d just go back to their active sabotage days.
What I’d think would help to actually wither Microsoft’s monopoly in addition of breaking it up is forcing them to open source Windows, thus taking their main leverage on the market. Windows would be a good (not great) OS if it wasn’t for MS and its shareholders trying to monetize it as much as possible, and trying to make all computers like what the Junkman had in the Superhero Team vs. Genocidal Purple Guy Part 3.
I get the point you’re trying to make but they made a free version of windows a while ago. The price for it is the ads.
Well then is it free?
There’s a free version of windows? 😮 Did they just give up because everybody cracks it?
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Pay for the hardware
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Pay for the software
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Subscribe to your own machine
Get your wallet out, serf. The landlords renting your computer to you need another yacht.
we making it into techo-feudalism with that pattern 🗣️🗣️🗣️
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Because you could replace the text of this mene with Nvidia drivers or any number of pain in the ass sub systems. Fuck even anti cheat for many games as well. Windows for the most part just works. Search works just fine and 98% of users couldn’t give two fucks about notepad.
This is the norm of what shareholder-driven companies in a situation of monopoly will tend to do. They try to see how much they can abuse their position of dominance on the market to maximize their profits. Microsoft’s primary goal isn’t to make a good user experience, or even a good OS. Their main goal is to milk as much money as possible from its assets for its shareholders. They’ve been playing that game for decades, only backtracking when the consumer backlash is strong enough to threaten their sales or when the government threatens to break them up.
On top of that, Microsoft has a long history of letting arrogant elements of top management take control of projects who will then force their “vision” down the throats of their customers who don’t want any of it. They will only backtrack once the sales numbers become disastrous enough. Then usually the control returns to more competent people and a decent product tends to result from it. Think how Windows Vista lead to Windows 7. And how Windows 8 lead to Windows 10. Or even how the XBox One was originally designed and marketed as some sort of stupid way to watch NFL games on your TV with Kinect controls until they realized they were losing the console war and then started treating it like a gaming console again.
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I walked my 83 year old dad through a Linux Mint install on his laptop over the phone a few weeks ago when the Windows install shit the bed. All he needs is a browser, he’s good now.
Get out of here with that “software engineering degree” BS.
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It is easier more than ever to install linux today.
The issue boils down to the fact that the number of people that never installed an OS is pretty high.
Most people buy their laptop and roll with the OS installed. Microsoft paid a lot to be the default choice and we have the market we have today.
But if you check your email and browse internet, any OS will work.
The strength and weakness of Linux, is that there is many ways to skin a cat. But it can get confusing really fast, even if you are tech savvy.
Habits die hard and Microsoft and Apple were pretty good at capturing the market.
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The process to install Ubuntu vs Windows is pretty much the same.
Create a user, choose a timezone, connect to Wi-Fi or LAN and wait for setup to finish. It is not complicated by any mean.
As I mentioned, most people never install an OS in their life, so they don’t know how to create a boot drive and install an OS.
So the issue isn’t that installing Linux is complicated, it’s that installing an OS on an empty drive is not a thing that the vast majority of pc users has done or will ever do.
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I think you’d be better off stating people are too lazy to install Linux.
Just because they proved you completely wrong and millions of others using Linux daily prove you wrong too doesn’t mean they’re bringing “animosity.”
Just accept the L and move on.
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Linux is great until it isn’t. As soon as you venture outside of whatever packages user interfaces offer you, the “degree” analogy applies. For some, the thought of editing a text file to configure an option blows their mind.
Lmfao guess he doesn’t need you to help him setup his email port settings or have any issues with audio drivers or any of the other common issues we see with Linux installs.
No, because like 99% of people on this planet, he uses webmail, and I haven’t seen audio fail out of the box on a Linux install in 15 years.
Roflmao lol omg bbq
99% of the planet don’t use webmail. Fair that you haven’t seen one. I’ve read it recently and often though so :shrug:
Why would a random 83 year old set up his own email port configs? He signs into gmail.com like everyone else, let’s be realistic if we’re gonna talk shit
I worked for an ISP residential tech support for 3 years. Don’t tell me what’s realistic lmfao. I experienced it very, very often. And they sure as fuck couldn’t do it in windows.
We can compare anecdotes if you want, I’ve been in tech twice as long as you were and I can count on one hand the number of people doing their own IMAP setup. That remains the same if you go back to me being a child.
There’s no need to be a dick man, this is a nerd forum for awarding fake internet points. Chill out.
Still in tech, 9 years now lol. Again. People do and they run into issue with it. Denying my perspective and acting like it’s invalid is obnoxious.
Pay thousands for a Mac computer that may not have the features you want, and never be able to upgrade or repair it, or
M1 Air costs USD $750 where I live.
Get a software engineering degree so you can figure out how to install, use and regularly debug Linux. Because even techy people you know that might want to help you don’t know anything about Linux.
Hyperbole to sell an easily disprovable false narrative. For what?
Calm down and eat your lunch, Helen.
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That MacBook will have 8GB of RAM and 128GB of storage, which is completely useless, not to mention fucking highway robbery when you can buy a Windows laptop for half of that with better specs.
You said thousands of dollars. They’re not thousands. And yeah, you can get a cheaper machine. And put some flavor of GNU/Linux on that too!
LOL I’d love to see you prove me wrong. Go on ahead. It’s easy!
Highest market share ever, these days!
I don’t think you need a CS degree to run through this guide.
Stop being hyperbolic.
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But they are…
Once again, here’s one at $750.
Not pre-installed.
Here’s some great laptops with GNU/Linux pre-installed.
There are vendors supplying workforce laptops and miniPC’s running MintOS for less than $350 per unit, in bulk!
None of those links prove me wrong.
All of them prove your silly, bogus assertions wrong.
Try again.
Nah. Don’t have to.
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They do for me!
LOL I’d love to see you prove me wrong. Go on ahead. It’s easy!
God, debate perverts are annoying.
That is not how it works. You have to proof your claim. If you want to be taken serious at least.
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Ubuntu advertises their paid cloud hosting service every time you install server manually.
Ads on windows? Where?
More like where are they not
I literally don’t have any. I disabled the recommended section in the start menu and as far as I know they don’t appear anywhere else.
One drive, edge, one drive some more, copilot and then office365 for good measure
I use OneDrive every day, there’s no ads. And nobody uses Edge anyways…
Windows 11 introduced start menu ads recently in update KB5036980, thankfully they can disabled, but I’m not 100% sure it will stay that way
relevant article from The Verge: https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/24/24138949/microsoft-windows-11-start-menu-ads-recommendations-setting-disable
Right, ever since the release of Windows 11 I’m using Explorer Patcher to hide that annoying recommended section, and to restore the windows 10 explorer.
That’s a smart solution, I’ll have to look into trying it on my work PC (where they force me to use windows 11), thank you for the recommend!
Wait a bit Ubuntu is next. They already added terminal ads, embedded affiliate links for amazon, and sold user data to amazon.
i thought we were just shitposting about this one
Now that I think about it, the decline of ubuntu began when they inserted amazon affiliate links in their ui a long time ago. The final straw for me is forcing snaps when attempting to install some apps via apt. I replaced all my ubuntu machines with debian without any issue.
AFAIK the “terminal ads” were suggesting Ubuntu Pro when using the package management. It’s very far away from actual ads. Just the free version suggesting the paid one. Not ad space sold to third parties.
And for most people, Ubuntu Pro is free in practice (since most folks are unlikely to have more than 5 machines that need the features Pro provides).
For now…
Just the free version suggesting the paid one. Not ad space sold to third parties.
You’ve read it here, folks. Microsoft just needs to promote Xbox deals and such, then it’s not an ad space sold to third parties. (Either that or you’re holding Canonical to a different standard than Microsoft.)
It would be more like MS selling extended support, which is fair and relevant to something being on the update page.
Would it be bad if a community driven distro had a donations link once a year in the package manager? Not really. A bit annoying, but we still live in a world where they need money too.
Yeah, I don’t get extreme criticism against any monetization. Isn’t Ubuntu Pro basically paid version of ubuntu?
which is fair and relevant to something being on the update page.
The Ubuntu paid ad doesn’t show just in the updater either. Seems like double standard allowing Canonical advertising their paid product every time the terminal is opened and Microsoft would be only fine to be allowed to advertise paid updates in the updater.
Would it be bad if a community driven distro had a donations link once a year in the package manager? Not really.
I’m a packager of a small but public repository. Over the years some of the packages were actually picked up by the upstream distribution (minor stuff to scratch my own itch, nothing noteworthy, IMO, but still). I was never offered a few cents of whatever donations came in. Such money goes to the distribution leaders, not the actual community and even less so to the actual upstream software developers. If anything, the upstream software developers should get the money, not a downstream distribution where most of the work is automated anyway and yet replacing bookmarks in the default browser to customized ones for the distribution is common practice. Back when people still bought MP3 music, Canonical replaced the affiliate IDs for MP3 music stores to funnel money off upstream developers into their own pockets.
A bit annoying, but we still live in a world where they need money too.
Windows 10 started out as a free upgrade to Win7 and Win8 users (at least the Home variant, not sure about Pro and higher). Since then Win11 has also been a free upgrade. Do we live in a world where Windows developers need to make money from their product then?
So how are people going to know who you are and how to support you? First time I’m hearing from you. Leave a note somewhere. Your altruism is appreciated, but you do need to eat too! Don’t passively let capitalism take advantage of you. You don’t need to extend your values to corporate.
Money still runs the world. Windows or FOSS devs. I wish things were different, but you are wasting your political support on something that is not a big deal.
Ubuntu Pro is hardly an ad and not comparable to candy crush. Letting people know of a service to get more support is within scope (which is a target for enterprise anyway). To be clear there are better things to criticize about Canonical.
So how are people going to know who you are and how to support you? First time I’m hearing from you. Leave a note somewhere. Your altruism is appreciated, but you do need to eat too! Don’t passively let capitalism take advantage of you.
I do have a regular job. I’m doing fine. I don’t want or need money donated to Linux distributions. Updating a few packages is hardly any work at all because the majority of tasks is automated (as I said: my repo is small and for my own use. I don’t advertise its existence but I also don’t hide it either). Actually developing software is. I don’t want distributors nagging users for money to then put in their pockets. Distributors can promote pledge drives to fund hosting on their website.
Ubuntu Pro is hardly an ad
Yes, it is.
Letting people know of a service to get more support is within scope
Cool, so Microsoft’s “Back up to OneDrive” once per month and “Get more OneDrive storage” don’t count then…
Look my you ran an update and the update program is letting you know how you can get extended support if you needed. It is with in the scope of the activity in a way that Candy Crush and One Drive are not. If Kden live was more explicit about being part of the KDE universe I don’t think there is harm to that either. Ubuntu pro is not malicious or vendor locking (in its current state). What is the big deal that you spend so much energy here? Letting people know how to get 12 years of support instead of just the standard 5? There is a cost to doing that and ensuring quality. The discussion on the distribution paying upstream is important, but kind of a separate matter (and yes they could be doing more).
This is supposed to be for a company that has multiple machines and needs security back ported. Any regular desktop user can just opt out. Real question, what changes do you want to see to make things better? Like we do need to improve communication on how to support FOSS in general. I am not a particularly good programmer, so don’t commit bug fixes. I live in the shit hole US South and 50% below median for the state, so my money contributions are never that high. If we are allergic to Ubuntu Pro or
x packages are looking for funding.innpm, how do we really address anything? I get that ads are very invasive, but i think you are picking the least impressive hill to die on here.
This is such horseshit. The drama of the Linux community never ceases to amaze me.
The Amazon story is really old and Ubuntu did hear the critical voices and reverted the change. The terminal ads can be annoying on servers but you can turn them off.
https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Disable_dynamic_motd_and_motd_news_spam_on_Ubuntu_18.04.html
If you want to throw dirt on Ubuntu, let’s talk about Snaps and the messy Snap Store and how the current Ubuntu site looks like (not desktop user friendly really), and what they did to LXD
but you can turn them off.
Isn’t that line of thinking the same as this post is making fun of?
Not to mention all the bugs in a so called LTS. They really should delay a release if it isn’t stable
what they did to LXD
I still don’t understand what LXD does that LXC doesn’t do. LXC is significantly more popular. All the major control panels (like Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtualizor, etc) support OpenVZ or LXC but not LXD.
Okay.I’m not going to argue about this but here’s a description : https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/lxd
I’m not trying to argue? I legitimately don’t know what advantages LXD has since I don’t see it used widely in the industry, whereas LXC is everywhere.
LXD is to LXC what Podman or Distrobox is to Docker (if I’m correct, it’s just a convenient wrapper that does extra bits/builds on LXC)
LXD also has some cool features like launching VMs in a way that’s nearly indistinguishable from containers, which can be useful if you need to do something like run a distro that uses cgroups v1 (e.g. CentOS 7) on a more modern distro.
Yep I was trying to remember, it’s been a long time since I used it!
If being able to turn off ads make them ok then i guess we can’t complain about windows ads yet either.
Just don’t use Ubuntu then.
Ah yes. MicroCanonicalSoft. Ubuntu used to be great. But they are working hard to ruin it.
I am currently looking for an alternative that has a similar allround-ish support for hardware. Ubuntu supports my Macbook and my Acer Tablet out of the box while others do not competely do so. I could write a whole rant about the tablet with 64-bit processor but 32-bit eufi bios and intel processor that kinda obscures access to the audio and wifi devices unless you use a specific driver.
I’d prefer something debian based but I can’t stand flicking in video playback or scrolling through a webpage. Which is why I like Wayland at the moment, since it fixes those things.
Latest Debian has all the ease and little of the worry.
Oh i know, I’m running MX
Using Ubuntu is a mistake to begin with.
Wait that was real? I thought that was a joke someone made cuz I believe I saw an image of it on one of the meme communities.
The Linux infiltration of PC gaming communities has been one of the most successful covert operations in the history of espionage. So successful that the agents don’t even need to hide their identities.
Sorry, joke just flew over my head
They came for the gamers-….
I just use ameliorated windows 10, never been bothered by anything else.
What’s that?
Its an opens source tool for modifying existing windows installation preferably start with a fresh one. It does quite a lot with removing anything spyware related. Removing a bunch of features that really no one uses in order to mitigate the attack surface from vulnerabilities.
Do watch out if you use UWP it will remove those too, including Edge.
3rd party modifications to windows iso that basically amounts to trusting an internet stranger.
You are talking about the old Ameliorated, the new one doesn’t modify an iso instead its a tool that modifies an already installed windows instance.
Also kinda weird to word it like that since any with any open source tool we are trusting internet strangers
My bad. Sorry.
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Run W10Privacy and use NextDNS. Oh, and create a local user account.
And in Linux, you install the system, create an account… and that’s it
Unless it’s Ubuntu
Well it’s good to see that - unlike Lemmy - Reddit users have found a way to bash Windows without using pre-transition images of Elliot Page. So they’ve got that going for them, at least. (I’m assuming this post is also poking fun at Reddit, for being riddled with ads)
Creds for leaving it up though.
Classy edit
Well, yes, that transphobic post was very bad yesterday :( It was one person and the poster got a 30 days community ban on lemmy.world (check the modlog). The copy of the post was gone on lemmy.world but was still visible on lemmy.ml later, downvoted a lot.
Literally not a fucking clue what you’re talking about even after googling that name
Sorry. It’s from me being too online. Must. Put. Phone. Down.
Some troglodyte was comparing OSes to Elliot Page’s transition.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that was only one user who made that comparison, and they got downvoted hard for that.
It was two, fwiw. They were also upvoted, and engaged with (which is what the trolls want, of course). I shouldn’t have made that comment - it’s a sign that I’ve been on my phone too much this morning. I’ll amend it, and then go out for a walk or something.
