A Louisiana man has been sentenced to decades in prison and physical castration after pleading guilty to raping a teenager, according to a news release from the region’s district attorney.
Glenn Sullivan Sr., 54, pled guilty to four counts of second-degree rape on April 17. Authorities began investigating Sullivan in July 2022, when a young woman told the Livingston Parish Sheriff’s Office that Sullivan had assaulted her multiple times when she was 14. The assaults resulted in pregnancy, and a DNA test confirmed that Sullivan was the father of the child, the district attorney’s office said. Sullivan had also groomed the victim and threatened her and her family to prevent her from coming forward.
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A 2008 Louisiana law says that men convicted of certain rape offenses may be sentenced to chemical castration. They can also elect to be physically castrated. Perrilloux said that Sullivan’s plea requires he be physically castrated. The process will be carried out by the state’s Department of Corrections, according to the law, but cannot be conducted more than a week before a person’s prison sentence ends. This means Sullivan wouldn’t be castrated until a week before the end of his 50-year sentence — when he would be more than 100 years old.
I’m a little confused. First the punishment actually seems to fit the crime. Second I didn’t think castration was legal in the US. With everything else going on right now, what the actual fuck!
Most states allow voluntary castration for treatment of a medical condition. That means if you have testicular cancer or gender dysphoria you can pay a ton of money to no longer have testicles, but it seems a pretty flagrant violation of our bill of rights to force it on a criminal
First the punishment actually seems to fit the crime.
So should we go back to chopping off the hands of thieves?
And be very careful about looking at a woman with lust in your eye.
I believe chemical castration is technically legal but only is the grey area under loopholes because its not disfiguring the convicted or doing physical damage. I suspect they are going to argue the physical castration is legal by consent because the convicted has to plea for it specifically? Unlikely he will live long enough to face that judgement in a Louisiana prison, regardless.
Edit: Still think its horrific no matter what loophole they try to use, our justice system is fucked even in cases as awful as this.
That sounds like cruel and unusual, no?
It sounds like there’s a good chance the castration would never happen at all, since it has to be done 2 weeks before the prison sentence ends.
Not to antagonize you, but like, rhetorically, is that not still cruel and unusual?
I mean, nothing about this sounds constitutional to me. Hate to be the “stick up for a piece of shit” guy, but…
It is definitely unusual, but I don’t think it would actually be cruel unless the dude lives long enough that it actually is carried out. If the sentence isn’t carried out, is simply being given it cruel? 🤔
The judge is compelled by the law to have that as part of the sentence, but the stipulations of that same law have provided a loophole whereby the judge condemns the person to a lengthy prison sentence that would give a greater chance of having the castration part never happen. If that was the judge’s intent all along, it’s kind of brilliant malicious compliance.
The law itself that makes that a legit sentence is pretty fucked up, though.
So you’re saying anything goes in sentencing as long as the judge is pretty sure the prisoner won’t live long enough for it to happen?
I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion. That’s not at all what I said or implied.
This sure seems to imply it.
It is definitely unusual, but I don’t think it would actually be cruel unless the dude lives long enough that it actually is carried out. If the sentence isn’t carried out, is simply being given it cruel?
So if that doesn’t mean that a judge can sentence a prisoner to whatever they want as long as they don’t think the prisoner will live long enough to serve it, what does it mean?
It was a philosophical question on if others would still consider it cruel if the sentence given doesn’t get carried out preceded by my opinion about the same question. I don’t think it is cruel if the cruelty part doesn’t actually happen.
I mean, nothing about this sounds constitutional to me. Hate to be the “stick up for a piece of shit” guy, but…
Defending constitutional rights requires sticking up for pieces of shit a lot. There’s a famous quote about that, involving defending freedom of speech and defending scoundrels.
Hate to be the “stick up for a piece of shit” guy, but…
Don’t hate being that guy. We need skeptics and rational thinkers to combat all the hysteria and sensationalism this generation proudly perpetuates.
It’s part of being an adult in a sea of children.
So, let’s say a man is accused of rape and impregnates a woman. DNA matches, everything matches. However, after the castration happens, the woman comes out and says it was actually consensual and not a rape, just her being petty over a disagreement or something. What then?
No consent at the age of 14
What? I didn’t specify she was 14?
How old is
your victimthe hypothetical victim then?But the victim in this case was 14. So unless your theoretical victim is also a child, you’re making a false equivalence in your argument.
The woman isn’t 14 in my question I guess? I didn’t realize she had to be. I saw people for and against castration here, so I wanted to ask what would happen if a man got castrated for a lie or something that actually wasn’t rape. What’s the stance here? If it’s a minor, castration is OK, but if it’s between adults it’s not ok? Why would the age matter in my question?
Because a child can’t give consent. So if, like you say, all the physical evidence creates an undisputed conclusion that the event happened, then there is no longer any doubt whether there would be a change of mind as it didn’t matter.
Ah, ok. Yeah, I wasn’t talking about if she were 14. I was more curious on how this stance would play out with 2 adults.
Yeah, but what about his hypothetical?
He didn’t say he was specifically talking about this case, and even clarified when you guys assumed he was.
I’ll take, “Laws that violate the 8th Amendment” for $100, Alex.
Nah see the 8th amendment no longer applies because he’s a criminal.
-Louisiana State Supreme Court
Probably
Likely
So if Trump is found guilty…
Making that poor old man sit in court for over 20 minutes is a violation of the 8th amendment if you listen to fox news.
Yeah it’s cruel and unusual punishment to force him to checks notes do the equivalent of a week of full-time employment.
Part time, really
if you listen to fox news.
That’s the neat part, I don’t
its so funny to me they’re portraying him as healthy enough to be president if he cant even sit in a chair for four hours
What does physical or chemical castration even mean? And why is this a punishment when he is 100 years old?
Also, under current law there, no abortions are allowed unless life of mother is at risk, so they will castrate the rapist but force the mother to give birth?
What the actual fuck
What does physical or chemical castration even mean?
Physical castration is being neutered, aka what we routinely due to male animals we don’t intend to breed.
Chemical castration is essentially being chemically neutered - hormone blockers. Whenever you see someone anti-trans talk about pro-trans people wanting to chemically castrate children that’s why - it’s the same drugs being used to achieve the same effect - blocking sex hormones.
And why is this a punishment when he is 100 years old?
Because castration in LA is only performed in the final week of the prison sentence (presumably because it can’t be reversed so as to allow time for appeals), he was in his 50s when convicted and was sentenced to 50 years + castration. So by the time he’s in the final week of his prison sentence he would be over 100 should he live that long.
Damn. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone just went on a rampage after being released because the government cut their balls off.
It’s insane there are people in this thread cheering them on, but I don’t expect much rationality or maturity from this generation at this point.
physical castration is removing his dick.
chemical castration … is basically using medication to block hormones that cause sex drives.
chemical castration … is basically using medication to block hormones that cause sex drives.
The fun part is that it doesn’t even do that. You can block all of your testosterone (as an XY male), and still desire sex, have erections, and achieve orgasms. It’s difficult, but still possible. And unless they’re going to do blood panels every month, it’s pretty easy to get around that shit, if you have the money for the black market drugs.
At 100 years old?
At 5gat age just smack them with a baton and they will crumble into dust
Not defending it’s right. It’s far from it.
but that’s what they mean by physical and chemical castration
I hear you, thanks I didn’t even realize that could be an actual punishment , especially in a state like Louisiana that doesn’t allow abortion in cases of rape
They’re not removing the dick they’re removing the testicle.
Apparently castration means a few things. In China the eunuchs were castrated and they typically had both penis and testicles removed.
Just learned that yesterday and kinda wish I didn’t.
Well, it’s because he’s an old fuck already so his heinous crimes result in him spending the rest of his worthless life in prison. If he’s lucky, he’ll die before he reaches 100.
I disagree with the idea behind that punishment…. But I hear you
Child rapists really test my principles regarding the death penalty and such, not going to lie.
But that’s the whole point of a fair justice system. It doesn’t respond to people’s personal feelings or emotional arguments. It is based on concepts like cruel punishments should not be meted out regardless of the circumstances.
Should the justice system be about vengeance? I don’t think it should. I don’t think an atrocious crime deserves an atrocious governmental response.
Definitely, our system of justice is really fucked up.
so they will castrate the rapist but force the mother to give birth?
Louisiana is 100% the worst of the 50-nifty united states.
Chemical castration is the lowering of hormones medically. Physical castration would by physical removal of the testes.
Welcome back to the dark ages. See you at next week’s drawing and quartering. It’s right after the hangings! Hopefully we get some real kickers!
Yee haw! What the fuck lol, if I was a hundred years old cutting off my balls would be kind of sexy lol,
Who likes lemons?
Who likes parties?
How dare you
Lowering hormones medically? Sounds like something Trans, and that’s illegal in the south.
Castration is 100% cruel and unusual punishment.
For raping a kid, i don’t really care if its cruel and unusual. Deserved.
So you’re not a believer in human rights I guess.
Read the article, he won’t even be castrated until he is 100.
I did read the article. He pleased guilty. Actually it would be over 100 not 100 if he got released. That’s why I don’t really care if it’s cruel or unusual.
I really dislike it when people say “read the article” and misquote it. This guys is a monster and intimidated the family so they wouldn’t come forward. Talk about human rights.
(Edit) going to leave this up to show I was a fool in my haste to post. Another comment showed I was doing a knee jerk reaction. Thanks for the good comments and debate.
Your integrity and good faith are rare and admirable in the modern day internet!
Friendly reminder that in 1992 the FBI embarked on a crusade that falsely convicted dozens of parents during the height of the Satanic Panic. One of the first convicts spent 30 years in prison before enough evidence of manufactured evidence and coerced testimony was unearthed to convince a court to release him.
In another classic false conviction a father of two was executed for a 2004 house fire that state prosecutors determined was deliberate arson, with the intent to murder his two children. Then Texas Governor Rick Perry repeatedly interfered with court proceedings that uncovered fabricated evidence and pseudo-scientific forensic analysis.
Finally, we’ve got the classic case of Alan Turing, British engineering pioneer of the computer and hero cryptographer of WW2, who was chemically castrated after being accused of gross indecency with his then-19-year-old boyfriend, following a burglary of Turing’s home. Following the castration, Turing fell into a malaise and ended up committing suicide.
There are a whole host of reasons why deliberately sadistic punishments are a fucking awful idea.
- Witch Hunts can use gratuitous claims to cover for scant evidence, leading to irrevocable punishments aimed at innocent people.
- False Convictions resulting in maiming/death can aid in covering up the criminal incompetency of investigators.
- Prejudice and bigotry can play a heavy role in the targets of investigation and degree of punishment.
Even setting aside the reflexive need to give people what they “deserve”, you put far too much faith in a criminal justice system as prone to injustice as any of its subjects. The targets for chemical castration end up not being the most deserving, but the least articulate and most socially vulnerable.
You won’t see a guy like Donald Trump sentenced to chemical castration for grabbing women by the pussy. But you can easily see folks in the LGBT/Civil Rights, migrant communities, or impoverished neighborhoods singled out for legal abuses by malicious or career oriented prosecutors.
I was originally going to point out that this guy pleaded guilty but really no need because I can’t argue against your point at all.
That’s a very well put point. I didn’t care about this guy because I was picturing my kid as the victim. (That’s why parents shouldn’t have anything to do with punishing the convict)
I am against capitol punishment on principle. This article just hit me wrong or right depending on how you view it.
I did not think about how these laws can be used as tools to punish “others” especially in states that are or have started criminalizing anything near LGBT. Thanks for the good point.
Man, I’m so happy to see this kind of dialog. Appropriate debate and resolution. This is so fucking rare to see these days, especially on the interwebs. Jeeze. Thanks for being open.
if it’s* cruel
God what kind of a shit plea deal involves 50-year sentence and castration? Honestly why even plead at that point?
Barbaric and inhumane. Cruel and unusual.
and also just…weirdly fucking pointless. They are waiting till he is 100 to castrate him?
You mean the rape of a teenager, right?
We don’t mutilate and torture convicts. Rather, we aren’t supposed to but Louisiana is a shit hole.
Well, he won’t actually be castrated. So, why care?
why do you care so much about torturing criminals?
I don’t. It’s never going to happen. Why do you care so much about a rapist who won’t ever be castrated getting a castration sentence in 50 years from now. Why is this even news?
God help me if my brain ever gets this cooked.
Cooked enough to rape someone? Yeah that’s bad.
Because he most likely won’t be the last one to be given such a sentence. And some of them will probably undergo the castration. Which is cruel, pointless and not reversible.
Louisiana has never physically castrated anyone. It’s a ridiculous sentence, And it will never end up happening because the man will be dead by then.
Are you saying that it is acceptable to sentence people to things that would normally be considered cruel as long as the judge doesn’t think they’ll live long enough for it to happen?
Louisiana has never physically castrated anyone. This sentence is a childish gesture, but I’m sure it made the victim and their family a lot happier. I’m all for prisoner rights, and not performing physical modifications. I would be in favor of chemical castration in all sex crimes.
In my opinion, given the crime this dude absolutely deserves this. With that being said the problem I have with this is the same I have with the death penalty. What happens when they accidentally or sometimes even intentionally get the wrong person? 4% of people who get sentenced to death are innocent. Even if that number is .4% I’m not okay with occasionally killing someone who is innocent. It’s only a matter of time before they sentence someone to have their testicles removed and they find out later oopise they didn’t commit the crime.
this dude absolutely deserves this
There’s a joke in the criminal justice system about how a clever DA can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, with a free enough hand at presentation of evidence. Consider that you are getting less from this article than the grand jury got at his indictment.
What happens when they accidentally or sometimes even intentionally get the wrong person? 4% of people who get sentenced to death are innocent. Even if that number is .4% I’m not okay with occasionally killing someone who is innocent.
The purpose of chemical castration as a political tool is purely for the optics. Case in point, this guy would not be subject to castration until the end of his 50 year sentence (at age 100). DAs and judges can campaign on this nightmarish act by appealing to voters with a sadistic streak while sleeping better knowing neither they nor the convict will live long enough to see it carried out.
Much like the death penalty itself, this is a performative endeavor intended to bait liberals into defending creeps (or, at least, suspected creeps) so that you can go on screen and call them “Pedophile Enablers”. Once chemical castration is normalized, you’ll see “Tough on Crime” conservatives pursue something even more vulgar.
castration doesnt even do anything for most sex crime offenders.
Cause its not physical lust that drives most of it, its a psychological drive… and that psychological need/drive doesnt go away just cause you castrate someone, whether physically or chemically.
in addition to what you’re talking about, with the inherent risk of an innocent person running afoul of the law.
You see, your issue is that you are using your brain instead of asking for brutal retribution
yeah, i just love the hypocrisy of people who want brutalistic retribution laws… until they run afoul of the law, then its all inhuman and cruel to deny them their organic quinoa meals in prison and other ridiculous bullshit.
People just missed the whole chunk of history in which Enlightment thinkers argued against corporeal punishment and the body of research that disprove its efficacy as a deterrent. Nice /s
I could see voluntary chemical castration and psychiatric support as a viable middle ground between lex talionis and a 21st-century legal system. Physical castration? Get the hell out of here.
Why add the physical castration part to plea if it doesn’t take effect until he’s 100, seems so pointless.
The American legal system is so barbarically fucked up.
Maybe to have it as a required part of his sentence, so while time can be reduced, perhaps the castration can’t? I.e. he couldn’t be released early unless he went through with the castration.
I dunno, I’m not a lawyer, just my guess. Fucked up either way on all sides of this.
It says he still has to go through with chemical castration regardless of his plea making him do physical castration as well.
That’s not what the article says…
It says he still has to go through with chemical castration regardless of his plea making him do physical castration as well.
I think it’s like those 300 year sentences that come out once in a while. Ultimately it’s symbolic.
I suspect it’s a legal strategy he concocted with his lawyers: Chemical castration might have a different time period in which it is applied (because longer duration), maybe even starting right after the sentence becomes effective. As the summary here states, the physical version that he opted for himself(!) is not to be applied until a week before the sentence ends, which gives him a chance of a lot of things to happen before, laws to change etc & eventually get out of this without being castrated at all.
He may regret opting for physical castration after his first few months in state pen, when he’s forced to rape his fellow inmates with mop handles and broomsticks, now that he’s without a penis to force into anyone’s bung hole
You still have a penis after castration…
Hurray for Sullivan, if the state of Louisiana is only severing the beans from his body, but leaving him with the frank. Such mercy is comparable to the human trafficker who allows the 13 year old girls who’ve recently fallen into his clutches to keep their bras and panties on, while potential buyers look them over
What the shit? Are they going to bring back “an eye for an eye” next?
It would be nice if they did.
Eye for an eye, was a law that allowed the (proven) victim to request the (proven) perpetrator an equal punishment to the harm done. Yes a person who got his eye stoned out by crazy guy, could have the crazy guy’s eye stoned out. Which is, honestly, fair.
I guess in this case, the girl could request Mandingo to rape the guy, which, while deeply hilarious, might actually teach something, especially compared to just a jail sentence (that might be heavily reduced due to “good behaviour”)
I swear all of the edgy children from reddit ended up here…
What’s worse, this person probably isn’t a child.
Well they shut down or quarantined most of the /justiceporn type subs. They’re everywhere, though. Nothing but a bunch of reactionary, bloodthirsty jackwagons who want violent retribution for minor transgressions or situations that could have been avoided by simply walking away.
but they only want it for other people.
They dont want any violent retribution for their bullshit. because thats excessive, and inhumane, and persecutory.
They can be dicks and expect to get away with it, but I’d also be willing to bet that quite a few are looking to get aggro and fight. I don’t think you go looking for and participating in online groups featuring clips of people getting beaten without having some aggression problems yourself.
It would be nice if they did.
until you or someone you know gets caught up in the court system, is innocent, but due to the many failings in our prosecution system, still end up being found guilty.
Then you’ll cry and whine like a little fucking bitch about “how could it happen to me/us!” and people will point at you and posts like yours and say people like you are the reason it happened.
It would be nice if you didn’t spew populist bullshit on the web, but here we are.
Rape is funny when it happens to bad people, i guess. And no, rape does not teach anything. It just traumatizes.
Isn’t that a good way to teach the trauma a person caused? And I don’t see what place is there for hollywood civility when the person clearly ignored the social contract (so he isn’t part of it)
No one knows how someone will react to trauma. That’s why it doesn’t teach anything. Few people can come out of that and be, “Oh, I get it now!”
I guess you’re right.
Most Bullies experience domestic violence before they abuse their fellow students. Most child rapists have experienced child molestation. Traumatization does not fix people, it does not correct people, it breaks them. An eye for an eye is a shit way to actually run a society. My partner comes from a society that executes people for “violating the social contract”. It is an absolut shithole of a justice system, in which prisoners are completely dehumanized and I do not wish for anyone to live under that particular system of justice. Its not about civility, its about absence of cruelty
While I do question the “trauma causes people who cause trauma”, I guess I can agree that trauma just breaks people.
Prisoners being 'completely dehumanized" sounds like a separate issue, concerning the country in question. And maybe points to some details of its culture that are actually making traumatization part of society.
That dehumanization is inherent in the idea of withholding “civility” from those, who you deem to have violated the social contract.
For some people there is no redemption in this life - and I’m not referring to the criminal. Some people refuse to see people as anything other than their past transgressions. And the system is set up to support that. One could commit a crime and that’s all the person will ever be seen as for the rest of their life. Jobs are hard to get, where you can live is limited, and having to tell everyone that the person is a sex offender in those cases.
And some people would rather criminals be killed or maimed for life depending on the crime, sometimes with a surprisingly low bar.
Look, this guy is obviously a monster, but castrating someone doesn’t undo the harm. That’s just barbaric. Hard labor making license plates all day? Sure. Long sentence? I could see that.
We gotta have some moral minimums, though. Stuff like execution and castration is too far. What if they have the wrong guy? Even if it was him, mutilating their bodies is not what we should be doing on this continent.
Wouldn’t this be considered “cruel or unusual punishment” which is banned by the constitution?
Yes.
Let’s not cheer a society that cuts off the balls of rapists, just like we don’t cheer for societies that cut off the hands of thieves.
Rapists deserve nothing less than castration.
Vengeance isn’t justice and one barbaric act shouldn’t be met with another one.
No, we should slap them on the wrist, give them early parole and let them loose to do it again.
And the US justice system is famous for never getting it wrong.
Even if they get it right, castration is never an acceptable punishment in a civilized society.
Living in a civilised society comes with conditions, when you break that contract, you defile another, you lose the right to be part of that society, and do not merit its protections. Chemical castration is an option. All of you downvoters have never had personal experience with rapists, or, simply have zero empathy.
Some people seem to wish they lived in “biblical times”. Slavery, senseless violence, all powerful monarchs. No thank you very much, I prefer my civilizations to progress forward.
enslavement is also barbaric
How are there no comments here?! Is it a good idea well, yeah maybe it is…I just didn’t know it was reality.
It’s a bad idea. The reason it’s a bad idea is the same reason that the death penalty is a bad idea: the US penal system frequently gets it wrong.
Cutting off the balls of criminals is a bad idea even if we get it right 100% of the time.
Not saying you’re wrong, but she had a baby at 14 that shares the rapist’s DNA. I don’t think there’s any doubt he did it.
Even lab tests aren’t the word of god.
Exactly. If there was any question then the punishment is way too permanent to even be considered. But this dude is literally the father of a 14 year old girls child. There is no question here. There is no ambiguity. Have a third party double check the tests and another one tripple check them; if the results are still conclusive then make sure he can never harm anyone ever again.
My only complaint is that castration is cruel and unusual without reason because it doesn’t actually prevent him from being a danger. Just lock him up forever or kill him. Right now I know life imprisonment is usually cheaper than the death penalty otherwise it wouldn’t even be a question.
Exactly. If there was any question then the punishment is way too permanent to even be considered. But this dude is literally the father of a 14 year old girls child.
What kind of forcible medical alteration is appropriate for a woman who sexually assaults a younger male? Like, say, any of the various cases where a female teacher has a “relationship”/“sex romp” (aka rape but it’s a woman so we don’t want to call it that) with a male student?
That the evidence of guilt is extraordinary here is immaterial, because the law can’t distinguish between the evidence in this case and a wrongful conviction. You can say, “Well we only use this punishment when we’re super duper sure about it”, but the standard for any criminal conviction is already beyond reasonable doubt. There’s already supposed to be no question for all convictions, yet we still have people in prison today for crimes they didn’t commit.
She had his child?
Do we know if she was willing during the sexual encounter?
She was a child. Please fuck off.
Why are you afraid to answer this?
Because it’s a sick question. A 14-year-old child can’t be “willing during the sexual encounter”. It’s just rape. If that’s not reason enough for you though, here’s the relevant bit from the article:
The assaults resulted in pregnancy, and a DNA test confirmed that Sullivan was the father of the child, the district attorney’s office said. Sullivan had also groomed the victim and threatened her and her family to prevent her from coming forward.
Yes they can be.
You’re just afraid to answer the question cause it doesn’t go along with your agenda.
Ok ok about poor pedos, but what about lolita airlines logs Sherlock?
