This reminds me of a college rivalry. People from College A (mine) hated College B. People from College B didn’t care at all.
It’s more complicated than anger for me. There’s the disappointment that they’ve sunk so far, worry that other programs that I use could follow, but also some relief that I switched when I did.
merely slightly less angry
Actually you still absolutely do, since Microsoft has in the past, and probably still, actively sabotaged the ability to run other operating systems on gener computation devices.
Back in the 90s, before the DOJ v Microsoft antitrust trial, Microsoft’s licensing terms with OEMs required them to pay MS for every unit sold — even units that did not come with Windows. This meant that if Dell or HP or whoever wanted to offer Linux as an option, they’d still need to pay Microsoft for Windows or else lose the ability to sell Windows at all. It made no sense to offer Linux PCs at that point.
Just one of many many examples of Microsoft’s illegal anti-competitive behaviors.
Groklaw still around? It has tons of anti trust details archived.
It’s still there (apparently archived at Ibiblio) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groklaw -> http://groklaw.net
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I stopped using Windows over a decade ago and Padme is right. My windows using friends are always mad about some change or another and I’m just chill as a cucumber.
In my last job I had colleagues using Windows, and they were super chill. When they turned on their computer in the morning, it took 20 minutes to boot, install the latest updates and log on. I had to start working right away, while they were having their third coffee and second cigarette, waiting for their computer to get ready. I’m sure it wasn’t healthy, but relaxing.
did they ever start actually doing anything useful?
between sharepoint and microflop dynamics-CRM, azure and windows (whatever the fuck version)
and mother-fucking oracle, I can often go days after booting up before I can do anything useful.Sometimes I think the only people who can do any work are the procurement team and the only work they can do is issue MS purchase orders.
That sounds like poor IT policies to me. In previous office jobs I’ve had, our computers were configured with our working hours and we wouldn’t shut them down at the end of the day, so that any updates could happen off the clock and minimize that sort of disruption.
Depends on your perspective, I’m sure the guys who got a 30 minute on the clock break weren’t complaining about poor IT policies lol
I’ve done something similar, “Oh shit, gotta take a break boss, computer decided it wanted to update, fuckin windows amirite?”
Padme is right. My windows using friends are always mad about some change or another and I’m just chill as a cucumber.
I’m very much not-chill for a variety of reasons. Mainly because it’s a prime example of what’s been made abundantly clear the last couple of years: once you get users on your platform, they will never leave, regardless of how much abuse you throw at them.
For another, there’s a stupid idiom that goes around all the time that goes something along the lines of “if you don’t like it, don’t buy/use/do it!” as if their decisions don’t affect your personal choices. A prime example is headphone jacks on phones. Linux has the potential to be so much more useful with even a miniscule fraction of the funding (like 0.001%) that companies like MS and Apple have.
It’s incredibly frustrating asking people to consider doing something in their own best interests and being mocked and ridiculed in return or even listening to them excuse and defend their abusers.
I feel a sense of ownership over my OS. I tinker, I experiment, I break things and sometimes I fix them.
I still get mad, but it’s our problem. We got here together and I know that we can do better.
Windows feels like renting. The landlord only shows up when I’m not ready, fixes stuff that wasn’t broken, doesn’t fix any of the things that I need fixed, keeps raising the rent and installing hidden cameras. If I want to fix anything, it costs way more, is way harder because the landlord won’t tell me where anything is, gets un-fixed every time the landlord visits, and after all that it’s just fixing someone else’s house.I like that comparison a lot. Thanks for sharing.
This is the first time I’ve ever wanted a reward system on any social media platform. Sure, I’ve used Steam rewards and such because they’re there. I put emojis on chat messages, etc.
…but this comparison you made is pure gold.
I have never heard a more apt description of Windows. You have a way with words.
Woe is me, I can’t install other operating systems on my work computer. I’m being paid for every hour Microsoft bugs me or refuses to do what I want it though so, oh well. More time to shitpost and vent on Lemmy!
I use Mac OSX btw…
😁
osx is the unix equivalent of a tip terminal at a restaurant
Sick burns.
I blame the Linux gatekeepers, keeping people on Windows. By pushing out misinformation to Linux newbies who ask a question online, and scaring them away.
There are no Linux gatekeepers. There are assholes everywhere, that’s the human condition. I came across these assholes and I learnt that I should take advice and consider it myself.
If you close your brain and listen to random online people without thought, you’ll have a bad time, Linux or no Linux.
This stereotype of people in Linux or open source as assholes is FUD spread by people who have a vested interest in spreading it.
I’ve found people mostly very helpful and courteous.
idk I think that only the Chosen should be allowed to use Linux
Annointed with the holy kernel, untainted by binary blobs.
holy kernel
not templeos
worshipping false idols now, are we?
Looking forward to see someone creating a TempleOS fork with a Linux Libre kernel in their spare time.
Blessed with the knowledge of r/nofap, he can finally install Linux Mint.
You’re talking about Arch and Gentoo users, aren’t you?
New user: which distro should I use?
Arch users: definitely Arch, it’s so easy and stable!i mean tbh ive never had issues with arch i couldnt solve without a quick google(neither has a update ever broken anything) and manjaro sets everything up 4 u
You also know all of the terminology, what a console is, what you’re searching for when something goes wrong, what sites are likely to have his answers, and how to search for it in a way that works.
That’s fine for tech literate people willing to spend time on that. But non tech newbies don’t want to open a console. Recommending Arch to them is a shit move.
i feel like using a computer makes you part of the tech people and im sure theres an arch clone out there with a gui for tha aur also typing in like 2 lines aint gonna kill anyone people who google do it on the daily
you can’t say that about all of them. it’s just a small fraction
Unfortunately, they are the loud minority and other arch users don’t tell them to spout such nonsense. Recommending the distro to linux newbies is not helpful. The minority will be willing to open a console in order to get stuff done. When I started, all I wanted was it to work and never see a console. Recommendations like gentoo and arch might’ve turned me a way from linux altogether.
Not only misinformation, but straight up condescending unhelpful answers, sometimes.
I’ll get angry again if the ads show up in business licensed copies of Windows since I have to use Windows at work. And at least work won’t make me upgrade from 10 until 2025
As far as I can tell nothing has actually changed. The “recommended” is the same shit as it’s always been, and windows 10 already has that.
I don’t hate ms bullshit anymore, people are free to use anything else. Now, i am just glad that the average consumer software is garbage, and we can look like wizards and get some cash when we automate lengthy processes for corpos that got used to the inefficiency.
This made me laugh so hard I down voted five times before I could hit the up vote button
the worse windows gets, the funnier it is to me
This is the same with everything. Twitter, Google, Facebook, Netflix, Amazon, Apple etc. They all shit on their users, people complain but then they just accept it. As long as people just keep sucking it up they’ll continue to do what they want.
Yes :( Self inclined vendor lock-in ™. I hope for more new Linux users (unless it does not fit their use case very well) who are willing to learn and spread the word!
Linux mint and Fedora 40 user here!
I am still trying linux out, so far, everything is great! I mostly just use my PC for web surfing and games though,
Yeah it pisses me off the way people are like “tech bros ruined the internet”. No, users ruined it! There was no reason to stop self-hosting webpages, forums and IRC servers. Users switched to Facebook instead because they preferred it and didn’t care about the downsides. There’s an alternative to every website and app which respects privacy, serves no ads, and has no algorithm to farm your outrage. Users refuse to use them because they aren’t cool enough.
Users switched to Facebook instead
It’s more like: those who couldn’t be bothered to make and maintain their own site, went to normie platforms.
You still have stuff like http://geekring.net/
Yeah it pisses me off the way people are like “tech bros ruined the internet”. No, users ruined it! There was no reason to stop self-hosting webpages, forums and IRC servers. Users switched to Facebook instead because they preferred it and didn’t care about the downsides. There’s an alternative to every website and app which respects privacy, serves no ads, and has no algorithm to farm your outrage. Users refuse to use them because they aren’t cool enough.
You got a point there, though I think it’s users and corporations who both ruined it. And why ? Because users were not well informed and did choose for easy solutions without caring about privacy. At the last Tw(X)tter Exodus to Mastodon you could see several vocal new Mastodon users complain about not having a quote option. And probably several of them stopped using Mastodon for that. People have strong opinions and when they can choose to communicate with most of them friends with things like Facebook they go for that rather than having to spend time on exploring more privacy friendly options. And why ? Because there is so little time and because technology is scary for a lot of “normies”. I believe that is the success of Apple : shiny looking white design and easy of use. No plug & pray but easy peasy communication. Never mind the high prizes and walled pay garden. Ease of use and design is top priority for some. Does it makes sense to re-educate people and inform them ? I believe yes, but only if they are interested and have some spare time.
Yep. Change requires actual change.
And it also generally requires more energy than working with the current system, unless and until it becomes the default.
You want free-range grass-fed beef that is slaughtered with reasonably low suffering? Pay more for that, until it becomes the system.
You want an operating system that isn’t screwing you over at every opportunity? Use a Linux distro, and pay for ease or pay with learning how to make it do the things you think I should.
I’m happily using Linux as my daily driver, and have been for ages. I’ve gotten over the need to tinker as much - I just use it, report bugs when they matter to me, and live life.
I feel bad for the people who still use windows
Really. I’ve been watching the shitshow in windows and apple get worse and worse, and am glad for the availability of Linux.
I feel bad for people that even spend one moment thinking about what operating system someone else prefers
This is same as feeling bad for people who think others shouldn’t be getting caught in MLM schemes.
Does anyone genuinely prefer Windows for a reason that makes sense? Or are they just a captive audience?
Am I the only one that doesn’t mind? It’s an OS and we all have free will. I have both and enjoy using both OS. Maybe because I’m 38?
The problem I have is normalization. People complained about micro-monetization in video games, but that was normalized. People complained about corporate interest in open source, but that’s normalized. Now people are complaining about your operating system advertising to you against your will, it will be normal soon.
Tbh, I’m fine with cosmetic-only microtransactions, so long as they’re not pumped at you all the time.
Edit: in an otherwise free-to-play game. Fuck micros in paid games.
I’d debate the free will part.
What’s your angle? Let’s argue.