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    I’ve held off on saying it until now (I haven’t), but now I’m going to call it (again):

    This is the year of the Linux Desktop.

    (It feels like someone influential at Microsoft is trying to protect my reputation and force my prediction to come true.)

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      What does that mean. What does “the year of the Linux desktop” mean, really? And why is it different than last year?

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      I setup my ROG Ally to dual boot Linux about a week ago and have had plugged into a monitor and I have not had any issues using it in desktop mode. If not for Easy Anti-cheat I’d being a thing I wouldn’t have much reason to keep windows on my main pc.

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        If not for Easy Anti-cheat

        Linux, through Steam, has EAC.

        Just search the Steam store (it’s free).

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      I finally switched my gaming rig two weeks ago. Been great so far, except VR and I’ll admit, the Xbox Game Pass missing…I wish gog or someone would come up with something like it, because there have been a lot of games I started and didn’t finish because they just haven’t been my cup of tea…

      Now if Autodesk would get their shit together as well, things could be happening at work as well.

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        I think subscription would go against gog and its DRM policy (how would they enforce a subscription period without DRM), specially because gog is like the last place where we can have something that resembles owning a game nowadays.

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        i had gamepass working via browser on my computer.

        my controller, on the other hand, never worked in the browser, so it kinda made it pointless thatn gamepass worked

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    Jesus Fucking Christ. They really want people to switch to Linux, don’t they?

    Microsoft should stop trying to become another Apple. This is not going to work.

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      as soon as they require a microsoft account to use versions of windows, they are apple… minus the mobile, but plus a metric shittone of things apple doesnt.

      not that any of that is good, microsoft should die in a fire… but theyve spent 20 years building an OS-as-a-service platform and its coming to fruition. they might be slow, but rest assured they will get their captured, vertically integrated audience.

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        You don’t need an apple account to use a Mac. If you just want to enter a username and set a password, that’s all you need to do. If you want everything synced between another Mac or iPhone and so on, sign into iCloud. But you don’t HAVE to, just skip it.

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    I tried building a Steam box with the bootleg version of SteamOS from the deck… Can’t remember the name of the distro. Steam Games ran great for the most part, but getting Epic, EA and Ubisoft to work was a nightmare. If Linux can get that sorted, I’d never use Windows again.

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      I run both the Epic Store as well as the EA App via Bottles, and I had both up and running in about ten minutes.

      You can also install both launchers under Steam via Proton. The process is a little more involved, but far from difficult.

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      So, literally every game I’ve bought on steam is playable on my Manjaro box.

      Additionally, a recent KDE6 upgrade messed up my config and necessitated a full system reinstall. After remounting the partition where my steam games were installed on in the old sys, they…just worked. Even the ones that don’t cloud sync, saved games all there, DLC all there.

      I don’t know how long reinstalling ~1TB of games would take on windows… a lot? Pretty sure you have to fully reinstall them, not just “point steam to the drive where they live”

      Frankly I just don’t see why people tolerate windows anymore. It’s just laughably bad.

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        Like I wrote, Steam games were generally good, other storefronts, not so much.

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        I used to keep my steam games on a separate windows 10 partition and it worked exactly as you describe after a reinstall, it was all there. It’s still incredibly cool that this works on Linux and we get to use it as daily driver without being forced to dual boot for games. A windows installation still lingers on my desktop but it’s been years since I booted into it.

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        If you have games in a separate partition, then you will have no need to reinstall it even in case with reinstalling Windows, though.

        You haven’t really highlighted any of the linux advantages here.

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      Yeah, it’s definitely better now then it was before believe it or not. I honestly just avoid them at all cost even on windows. I hate games that ship their own launcher even though I bought it on steam

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        I wanted to say this, but I mean, people can choose to consume garbage if they want

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          Right. Snob all you want, but I thoroughly enjoyed Div1 and 2. AC Origins was also a lot of fun, especially for someone that grew up fascinated by ancient Egypt.

          Civ6 is on EGS… Battlefield 1and5 on EA, plus the Mass Effect series…

          But hey… Those games are awful, right… The chi chamber is loud today.

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            Are those games not available on Steam and GoG? And like I said, you do you. I cant stand EA and Epic, but everyone has their own lines in the sand that they will or wont cross. I specifically called EA and Epic garbage though, not the customers who’d be willing to do business with them

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      Most EA and Ubisoft games I’ve played run fine on Deck. Just need to run the game in desktop mode first and then it boots in the Steam UI side of the OS just fine.

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        Heroic is amazing. Rather than running the crappy Epic client via Wine, you just install this native piece of software that then launches each game via Wine/Proton/whatever else and pretty much just works every time, complete with things like EAC

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    Every generation has this moment, where they learn to hate Microsoft (or Micro$oft). Then, 4% install Linux, 6% buy a Mac with half the RAM for twice the price; and everyone else to keeps complaining.

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      With me it was when they killed off my favorite browser. I’m now using the reanimated bushy red corpse of it.

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        MS has done shady things but Netscape’s own top employees have written about how Netscape destroyed itself with the version 4 rewrite. Joel Spolsky has also written about how complete rewrites are always a mistake.

        Their corporate side failed too. If you weren’t fortune 500, Netscape wouldn’t talk to you. I was spending $50k a year with Netscape and they wouldn’t fix a bug unless I paid for an additional $75k a year support tier. ( The bug was Netscape 4 didn’t support dialing with area codes! )

        Meanwhile during the late 90’s Microsoft devs put their personal emails in the readme.txts and would quickly patch any bugs or add features if you emailed them.

        All the small isp’s (which were over 50% of the market) gave up on Netscape because of this.

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      Well maybe if desktop Linux didn’t require forums and command line and tinkering and file-verifiers to get Mint installed safely, and sound and printers and other hardware and software working, maybe it would become mainstream. And remember, folks, “mainstream” means everyone. Or at least everyone who already uses Windows, capiche? Your grandma too.

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        That was the status quo when I tried Linux ~5 years ago. Nowadays, Linux is much more plug and play (and I’m specifically referring to Pop OS).

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          Cool, but didn’t everyone tell me I should use Mint, for a bunch of reasons including “it’s arguably the most beginner-friendly”?

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            From what I read, Mint is better for lower-end PC specs, but otherwise, I’d strongly recommend PopOS.

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        Desktop Linux requires buying a USB / DVD, inserting it into your machine, and hitting OK several times. If you can’t do that, you also can’t install Windows.

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          Like, who are you trying to lie to? All the people who’ve installed Windows?

          No, actually, you’re trying to say this doesn’t exist: https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

          It told me to verify my download. It gave me instructions on how to do it. I needed command line. The instructions were actually more confusing than they should have been, too. I searched for an easier way to verify. There was a verifying program. The instructions for that told me to use command line to verify the verifying program, so I said “eff it, I’m not verifying”.

          Then it turned out I couldn’t make a bootable of Linux because my flash drive was too big. I had to find a 32gb one instead. Then it turned out I couldn’t make the bootable because it was the wrong format. And Windows couldn’t create that format. I had to use a third tool. Then the media creator somehow turned that flash drive into smaller and smaller partitions and Windows couldn’t fix it, either. I don’t remember how I solved that one. I also almost bricked my flash drive due to the formatting pop-up that Windows created when I was creating the Linux install media, but luckily the media tool could fix it when Windows couldn’t. I had to do research to discover and fix all these things, and none of it was stuff I knew about.

          The guide didn’t tell me the difference between GRUB and the other bootloader. I tried to research it. I found nothing. I wanted a bootloader that looked nice, and GRUB wasn’t it. But I didn’t know if the other one was it either. Furthermore, the Multi-Boot page for Mint installation guide only had two topics: Install Windows first, and what to do if Windows overrides your bootloader. Nothing else. So I had no idea what to do, and I wasn’t going to break it. I was done attempting to install Linux. Windows installation works, no bullshit.

          If you want to say “well duh, you should have done this”, then eff off. Because you’re not allowed to lord your non-obvious knowledge over people who don’t have that knowledge even after attempting research, and then say “it’s so easy, so it’s the year of Linux on the desktop”!

          And you know what happened last time I had Linux on one of my machines? It was Ubuntu, on my mainstream hardware, and I had it for weeks. I literally could never get sound working, at all. Not a peep.

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            Verification is optional, but recommended. This is true for all OSs. Don’t do it if you can’t.

            Note that I said to buy a USB or DVD with Linux. Burning your own is easy on Linux, but Windows puts up a lot of roadblocks. (One wonders why.)

            GRUB works fine, but again, you only have to deal with it if you want to dual-boot.

            Some sound cards used to not have first-party Linux drivers, so you’d have to find some third-party workaround. This is the only real problem among the ones you listed, but even this is pretty rare nowadays.

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              That’s all fair advice. It doesn’t change that installation instructions should have been a lot more thorough though. Once I get a third (or bigger primary) SSD, I’ll dual-boot Mint. I still want to try it. Regardless of my issues with it, I do know Linux is getting better. And we can see how ready I am for it now (and that’s partially up to the software).

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                Fair. I guess asking users to verify the ISO is just to avoid lawsuits. Buying USBs is more beginner-friendly than burning your own, but it would be very difficult to maintain an up to date list of sellers. They definitely need to explain GRUB and dual-booting better, as well as make it easier to repair / avoid the Windows overwriting GRUB issue.

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          I had Pop OS installed for an hour just now and I gave up. Once again, dozens of ridiculous problems, too many to remember. The nail in the coffin was I changed the icon sets between defaults-- from Adwaita to HIcolor-- in Gnome Tweaks, and it just crashed. Cursor moves, nothing else did anything. I didn’t do any command line, I didn’t edit any text, I didn’t do anything weird. Fresh install, had it for an hour. In contrast, I have not crashed Windows in over a decade, ever since I adopted 10 almost immediately. Except when I was undervolting. I don’t have time for this shit, I have things to do, it’s not the client’s job to fix Linux’s crap.

          Also it turns out there is zero support for three-finger taps. I literally don’t have middle-click on my laptop. At all. Wonderful.

          Linux “just works” as well as Bethesda does, and it hasn’t changed since I was trying out Ubuntu 14. I hate it, I hate the fanbase, I hate the cult, I’m done. Also, holy shit is it hard to find and learn to install full and proper light themes. Why the hell can I use a light theme on any distro and it still make the docks and title bars brown, black, or dark grey? That’s all I was trying to fix, because it hurt to look at.

          Done with Linux forever, because this keeps happening. The messy and confusing installation, the lack of basic features, the ridiculous amount of research and learning curve to accomplish anything, the crashing, the ugly and unpolished interfaces, everything. Bye.

          Update: Going to try again, but for the sake of my health not take Linux seriously. Nobody should take Linux seriously.

          Update #2: I gave up forever again. Proton VPN forgot to provide download links for Linux, I had to find them on a message board. Then it’s a nightmare to auto-mount my NAS drives. I worked on Linux for many hours today and didn’t make much progress. I don’t have time for this.

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            Thanks for trying linux!

            I don’t use pop os or gnome personally and I’m not part of any cult or whatever.

            I found a accessibility setting that changes stuff to be white but I don’t think I got what you wanted 🥀

            I know kde plasma has a white general look, and can be themed much more than gnome in pop os seems to be.

            it also has 3 finger click in its setting under the touchpad option

            Also, try Fedora 39 kde spin https://fedoraproject.org/spins/kde/ I mention this because fedora has the new linux tech in it so your laptop might behave better with this os.

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              Oh, thank god. Plasma looks good for me. Easy to look at and professional. Assuming I understand how it works, which popular distros can use Plasma? Update: After some quick research, I think I want to use Kubuntu? Does that sound like a good idea?

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                  I ended up giving up on it after first spending 2 hours trying to learn to set up ProtonVPN (it turned out the info I was missing was that there is missing an actual download button on their site, had to accidentally find a download for ProtonVPN via a Reddit where someone else complained, then use command line a few times to actually get it working. This after how-to videos and other message boards led me nowhere). Then spending a few more trying to learn things about my NAS I couldn’t figure out, so I could try to connect it to Kubuntu and have it mount automatically. It was overwhelming, I gave up pretty fast. Nobody has time for this. I’m probably done with Linux forever. Kubuntu’s not half bad though, but Linux sure is.

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          Windows does manage it quite well with the OOBE to be fully functional with regular hardware. Only special stuff like (d)GPUs and external stuff might require special drivers.
          Basic sound, networking, (multi-monitor) video and peripheral support works very good.

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            As does practically every Linux distro. I install it, it just works. Don’t even need to hunt for GPU or printer drivers like I do for windows.

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    As much as I like Linux, and use it almost exclusively on desktop/laptop, every time I see something like this I am reminded how much I hate the fact that Apple of all companies is about the last bastion of commercial and consumer operating systems who isn’t trying to derive the bulk of their revenue from advertising.

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      In some sense yes, but advertising for its own stuff is advertising too. It nudges you to use their whole ecosystem.

      The most annoying thing for me is that you can’t remove the iTunes component in mission control (the settings deck).

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        It does nudge you…but it’s not full screen ads that take multiple clicks to get through every week. I was a Windows zealot through W7…W10 got bad…W11 got me to start using Apple and Linux.

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      Yes they just derive it by keeping the Windows/MacOS duopoly in place and monopolizing communication channels.

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      Even Apple is falling. Their ad business (yes, they have one) makes billions and is the fastest growing part of the company. The app store is already quite ad-riddled, and the other parts of iOS are geared to get you to subscribe to all the Apple services.

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    This is what happens when they know you won’t leave.

    “But muh games…and Linux is too difficult and weird”

    I say to those: well then you’ve made your choice, didn’t you? It’s going to keep happening, like it’s been since the 90s.

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      What about people who needs NURBS tools and Affinity/Adobe class art softwares? Where do they go that corporations decided Windows and Mac are only to be supported? And believe me, plenty of them hates Windoze and I’m one of them.

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        Develop own software or support indepndent sw development however you can.

        If you really need something, think about your personal dependencies and try to build some resilience / backups , one way or another.
        Whatever your craft, a pathway towards ownership and control of tools and maintenance should be a traditional part of mastering the craft.
        So that you can eventually do things like extend the toolset, or adapt tools to niche circumstances and advance things along.

        If you don’t have that pathway, then you might end up trapped as an apprentice or journeyperson and will continue to be exploited by those who control the things you depend on.
        If there’s no freedom and no way to develop competition in the supply chain, then you probably would benefit from - collective organisations such as trades-guilds, or professional associations or trade-unions to counter the power imbalance, and represent your needs - but they can also get captured/bribed so those probably need a bit of effective democracy / transparency/accountability or something. I’m not going to suggest govt regulation, becasuse that’s super easy to capture and national-election democracy is a weak control, but you might get some progressive govts like some European ones that’d think about doing something suppoting foss projects, maybe.

        It might not be easy, but you have to look for and support those types of features for the good of your industry.
        Corps will eat their industry for a quick $, it’s the workers, tradespeople and masters of the craft and some small businesses who care about the long term. And maybe any enlightened customers if you’re lucky enough to have them.

        As an example, for physical 3d cad, personally I don’t like freecad much it’s complex and not very intuitive; but it lets me do all the maths I want in python, with my own made up data structures / object model. So i’ll use and support freecad 100% over all the other more user friendly CAD that i’ve seen - it really is the freedom, and not being so dependant.

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          Autodesk seems to be inconsistent with emulation. I can make fusion 360 run but not other tools.

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          Dual booting kinda sucks. It fragments your workflow and it is pretty disruptive compared to just being able to move to whatever you need to move to.

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              That’s better but assuming they have a system that can run windows in a VM at native resolution it’s still a broken workflow that won’t attract people to Linux.

              Look Linux is my daily driver, my entire lab is Linux. We use a combination of Debian, fedora, and rhel. I’m not opposed to using other distros. It’s okay for working with my peers who are on windows but not the best. Easy enough to work around.

              However if an important part of your workflow requires Windows, Adobe, Autodesk, the murky shit of office products, etc., then arguing for dual booting, using a VM , or a different computer isn’t going to win people to Linux. It makes proponents seem silly

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                Why does it have to be one tool though? More of a complaint to business in that they don’t let you use other tools.

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      I may be spoiled in that I don’t play AAA multiplayer games, but I do play AAA single player and indie single/multiplayer (usually the type where one of the players is also the server, e.g. Terraria).

      Been running Linux on my systems for more than a decade, and - especially since Proton/SteamDeck enchantments made their way upstream - I haven’t had any major ssues (except having to wait a while to play RDR2-PC in Ubuntu because of a weird game-specific graphics card driver issue, but even that was fixed in due course).

      Fuck Windows, and fuck the assertion that it’s the only way to run games.

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        Again it might be that I pretty much don’t play competitive online games because if there’s anything that ruins gaming it’s random strangers, but I have had practically no problem playing games over the last ten years.

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        Proton really did marvelous shit.

        Made it so easy that even an idiot (like me) could get games running on linux without much headache. Especially nowadays, even big game titles working almost flawlessly on release day.

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      Why is the target of your comment towards people that use Windows?

      I am not sure why People on Lemmy feel like if they point something out to people who can’t see the comment is going to get them to change their mind.

      I have and use both Linux and Windows. I prefer both for different reasons.

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        I know I’m talking into the void. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind. I’m too tired of trying to do that. Just trying to get people to realize they made the choices they have to live with.

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        Are you sure you want to run an untrusted executable? Microsoft Store contains lots of safe, curated apps that are 100% definitely not crappy ad-filled spyware.

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        Everything could be operated by ads. Run a program? Watch an ad. Open the start menu? Watch an ad.

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    So they want people to pull the plug instead of signing out properly. If they don’t can this before it leaves the Beta Channel, they’re going to need to beef up their tech support, because the many office workers who use Windows mostly as a launcher for Excel won’t have a clue.

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    I want my power button to cut off the power instantly. I want my log off button to be instant. Add any delay and I start pulling cables!!!

    I got to go, lock this computer, so I can do a thing! Oh shit, its not locking… fuck… Security says I can’t leave a unlocked console… POWER!

    Adding needless friction is terrible! Don’t do it.

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      At work, when I did desktop support, the number of people who would just hit their power bar when they left every day…

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      Win+L to immediately lock a windows machine. You can get the logout dialogue with alt+F4

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      Is that bad for the computer? Because I didn’t even think about this in a corporate environment until your comment. All our employees would be pulling cords or batteries, they all march out at exactly 430.

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        any unwritten data would be lost, perhaps some file system updates get out of sync, but it shouldn’t be a big problem.

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    Linux and Nvidia really need to sort out their shit so I can fully dump windows.

    Luckily the AI hype is good for something in this regard, since running gpus on Linux servers is suddenly much more important.

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      since running gpus on Linux servers is suddenly much more important.

      It’s always been important. Nvidia will never have actual open source drivers. They do this thing where they intentionally hobble your GPU unless you pay them even more money for a more expensive GPU.

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      PopOS has a good nvidia card support, try it out! It made me dump windows last October.

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        The only reason I have windows is to play games and not all games will work on linux

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          the only thing Linux can’t play is drm’d shit, and rootkit anti cheats. find a pirated version; bet it’ll run.

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            Which everyone should be avoiding anyway, regardless if they use windows or not. . so it shouldnt be a problem for any gamer.

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              Most people, even people on Reddit/Lemmy who are presumably tech-savvy, are completely fine with installing rootkits on their PC and handing full control over to random game devs.

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                Yeah, there will always be mouth breathing imbeciles.

                You just ignore them, not enable them. Let them wallow in their own self made filth. Anything more runs the risk of them getting elected president.

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              Buy the game through whichever means you like supporting the developer on, pirate the game to run it without the DRM bulshit

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                  Until we are in a post job society, I see nothing wrong with wanting to support those who make your life happier, even if that requires giving some to those who make your life worse. Nuance exists, and its on each if us to draw our own lines on where we wont budge. I was merely giving an option to someone they might not have thought of. For instance, I’m done giving Nintendo money. Unicorn Overlord is an awesome game however, so even though I dont have modern xbox, and even though I’m playing Unicorn Overlord on a yuzu emulator. Eventually I’m going to by the Series S version of the game if it doesnt get ported to steam, even though Microsoft can go fuck itself (It can just fuck itself less than Nintendo or Sony)

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                  I mean, yeah, you can find exceptions to any rule if you look for them

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                  Helldivers 2 works almost perfectly on Linux. I had to nest it in a gamescope session to fix some weird mouse issues, but that was it. I dual-boot Windows and I’ve never even launched it there.

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      I’ve been running NVIDIA under Linux for about six years now, with no more issues than one would encounter running hardware/drivers from a number of manufacturers under a number of platforms.

      In all honesty, I’ve encountered far more issues regarding HP printer drivers under Windows.

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        I’ve been using Nvidia under Linux for the last 3 years and it has been massive pita.

        Getting CUDA to work consistently is a feat, and one that must be repeated for most driver updates.

        Wayland support is still shoddy.

        Hardware acceleration on the web (at least with Firefox) is very inconsistent.

        It is very much a second-class experience compared to Windows, and it shouldn’t be.

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          CUDA works fine here, in all honesty it’s never given me any problems. NVENC works fine, DLSS1, DLSS2, and DLSS3 all work fine, RTX runs at acceptable FPS compared to AMD under Linux - and NVIDIA Reflex is supported as of VKD3D-Proton 2.12 and DXVK-NVAPI 0.7.

          On top of that, FSR is also fully supported - as is HDMI 2.1.

          I only use Firefox, and hardware web rendering works fine. Hardware video acceleration isn’t working yet, but running back to back tests at 1080p with hardware video decoding under VLC, the difference between hardware video decoding and CPU rendering is about 5% CPU usage on average running a desktop PC with adequate power supply/cooling capacity as opposed to a laptop with limited power supply/cooling capacity.

          The only problem with Wayland under KDE 6 is the lack of any form of sync, but explicit sync has ‘finally’ been merged, and should be supported under the 555 branch of drivers. Once explicit sync is supported, I really have few Wayland issues left to complain about.

          Overall, I really don’t experience any showstopper issues that have me wanting for Windows in the slightest.

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      The only thing keeping me on windows is the Nvidia GPU in my laptop. If Linux got actual dynamic GPU switching support I would delete windows and never look back.

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      Its mainly Nvidia’s shit. The only reason Nvidia is caring about Linux now, is that is the platform AI models use.

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      Usually they just over-pay for their computer because you can’t really buy a system without Windows pre-installed (unless you build it).

      I have so many computers that came with Windows installations that I never even booted into.

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        “Can’t really buy a computer without Windows pre-installed”? Weird, that’s not my experience. The stores allow filtering by “no OS” and you can see quite a lot of options.

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            I don’t know if the people walking into a brick-and-mortar for a prebuilt PC are making decisions beyond “what’s available” and “what’s in my budget”.

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          There are absolutely online stores that do that, but they’re usually gamer-focused, so there’s three issues;

          Note: I’m taking about laptops, because it’s all I’ve bought for the last decade or more;

          • The non-gamer focused stores rarely (if ever) have the option (Lenovo, Dell, Microsoft, etc).

          • The gamer focused stores usually sell hardware that runs Linux like shit because the hardware needs extremely specific drivers (which isn’t necessarily an issue for Linux, but if it doesn’t exist yet, you’re either building them yourself, or waiting for someone else to do so).

            • Note: Most Clevo systems - that are private-labeled by the likes if IBuyPower, OriginPC, etc - run Linux really well. Some of these sellers make custom hardware, or sell other private-label systems, so your milage may vary.
          • The gamer focused stores are usually patroned by people who are all in on Windows gaming, because they don’t do much else with the system, so they don’t experience the kinds of annoyances that power users would gripe about (which is why the above point doesn’t compel those sellers to do anything different).

            • And before someone corrects me: Gamers are not inherently power users, they just have powerful systems. It used to be that powerful systems were only buildable and maintenable by power users, but that hasn’t been true for years. If all you do is install and click “play”, you aren’t a power user.

          As for desktops, I really couldn’t say. Haven’t been paying attention for years. It’s possible that you could buy a system without a hard drive, never mind an OS.