Stop with the fury stuff
What exactly is fury? Bing says it’s “wild or violent anger”
Y’know what? I’m gonna be even more of a furry now, just to spite you.
Uh oh you’ve made people furious.
hahahahahaha
Could not be me. Not about the 🦊 part, but the failing to work part. The software fears me. The software knows it’s a cog in a machine, one that’s easily replacable. And I’m not one to get sentimental.
I’m in no way a Windows fan. Use manjaro for desktop, and ubuntu for servers as of now but keep trying new distros and love changing all the time, unfortunately. However, I dread to think if I was stuck on another planet with a linux distro without internet access to troubleshoot or find out how to do random things…
I know right? You might have to use the man pages.
I love it how you just want to do something simple and very, very common and normal with a command but you don’t know the magic flags to get it to do it and they’re not just a logical one (like, say “-a” for all) so you do a man for it and it has something like 50 flags listed in alphabethical rather than functional order, some of which only make sense in specific combinations (which are never show together and have to be found by reading the entries for all 50 flags) and there are no examples anywhere to be found of normal usage scenarios for that command.
So that’s when you use some internet search engine and it turns out the most common simplest use of it is something like “doshit --lol --nokidding --verbose=3”.
Drop manjaro l, start using endeavor, thank me later when your system doesnt randomly break on an update
honestly, as a long time arch user on my desktop, who has used both manjaro and endeavour, i don’t like either. Manjaro dev team isn’t great, but the biggest problem is holding back packages for 2 weeks or however long it is. The biggest problem i had with endeavour was that they keyring broke (not the archlinux one) and the only way to fix it was by installing an untrusted keyring forcibly… To be fair, it was a very old distro, but these are pretty funny issues to be having considering the arch keyring updated just fine.
Long-term Manjaro user, no issues.
Just don’t mess with AUR unless you have to; it’s a good practice to make snapshots as well.
Endeavor is no more stable, it’s very much unfiltered Arch with all its issues of “oh, you didn’t read an update note? Your bad”. Arch had literally broken GRUB on updates in the past.
Used Manjaro in the past, probably the worst distro i’ve tried. Multiple screens issues, kernel issues, keyboard and mouse issues, and when i look at the forum thoses are commons on Manjaro
Interesting. Never experienced any of that personally. Might depend on hardware?
endeavour was one of the leading grub issue reporters iirc, because they actively update grub on manual updates. Unless you hook it on your arch machine manually, or do it regularly yourself, grub doesn’t update, and tbh there isn’t a huge reason to do so. If it works it’ll continue working.
The point is, updates break Arch (and as such Endeavour) just as they can break Manjaro; and, as a matter of fact, one of Manjaro’s selling points is exactly that they allow updates to be tested before putting them into stable repository, making the system more stable.
And, as with any distro, Manjaro doesn’t break if you don’t change anything.
Does it make Manjaro as rock solid as Debian? Hell no. But suggesting switching to more bleeding-edge Endeavour seems like something that certainly won’t help with stability.
The point is, updates break Arch (and as such Endeavour) just as they can break Manjaro; and, as a matter of fact, one of Manjaro’s selling points is exactly that they allow updates to be tested before putting them into stable repository, making the system more stable.
until you install an AUR package, and realize that having 2 week old main line repos is not going to help you at all. Or that archlinux is based on bleeding edge security, move too fast for anything to be implemented, and if something is, then it’s going to be removed very quickly, that kind of stuff now requires manual intervention on manjaro.
Archlinux literally has a new board for every update cycle they roll out, anything significant that you should know about is going to be in there. Otherwise, it’s probably going to be fine.
Realistically, i think things like manjaro and endeavour are going to be a worse experience than something like arch long term, but that’s mostly just me not liking derivative distros. Short term, i think they’re fine. I just don’t understand why things like endeavour feel the need to complicate the existing repo structure.
I absolutely don’t understand why Endeavour exists and is so popular.
On Manjaro side, the criticism of AUR compatibility is valid, and that’s why even Manjaro devs warn against actively using it; although, I have to mention, I personally have never encountered issues related to this 2 week delay, even when at first I used and abused AUR with no respect to warnings. (then decided to be on the safe side just in case)
Also, repos include everything except edge cases, and for those, Flatpaks cover most of it. Currently, I have 2 AUR packages installed, one of them being an obscure printer driver, and other being OcenAudio, a sound recording tool I prefer.
To me, Manjaro has shown itself as a safe, predictable, noob-friendly system that doesn’t lead you the ways of Arch unless you choose to go there, while benefitting from the rolling release model and wonderful optimization.
Endeavour, on the other hand…seriously, it’s a little more than Arch skin. Even Garuda makes much more sense.
honestly, i think an arch distro that is basically a preconfigured version of arch built for the end user a good thing. Takes away the pain of setting it up, but keeps the benefits of running arch.
And what would you do on that other planet without Internet and stuck with Microsoft Windows and no way to activate your OEM license ? At least Linux has nice manual pages to read in the main time off-line 😄
I have an unactivated windows computer I’ve been using for 3 years, it works fine and even gets updates it just says “activate windows” in the corner of the screen.
It used to be it also wouldn’t let you change your wallpaper, but I don’t know if that’s still a thing and there were ways around it.
I suspect that’s not a mission critical function for someone stuck on another planet with no internet.
Not unless the only way to get back home is to change the wallpaper!
Probably true, but that particular computer just runs a Plex server and a few other things so the wallpaper doesn’t matter to me
I believe you can simply leave it unregistered and it’ll still work indefinitely. Plus you aren’t getting updates forced down your throat, since you’re not connected to the internet.
Haha touché
Start downloading all source codes to prep for when that happens. That way, you at least have a way to find out.
but at the end it is possible to solve any and all problems linux, and troubleshooting difficult cryptic errors successfully makes you feel like a very smart god
Sometimes it takes way too long though. I had a display issue that made many of my tiny Linux boxes stop working and it took me almost a month to figure out the issue. I had to revert to an older kernal to fix them all. They just randomly stopped working one day lol. Makes me not want to accept updates so that’s not great
For a given definition of ‘any’. For a while, the solution to my problem would have been to contribute code to PulseAudio and/or ALSA, which was (and still is) beyond what I could reasonably do.
Until you forget what you’ve done and face the same issue again.
Eh, not a god. But the solution is somewhere there…
Omnipotent, just not omniscient.
yea lol
I’m no artist, but couldn’t Xenia have a white outline around her black arms/hands so they can be seen better against dark backgrounds?
As an Amateur Artist (my pfp was drawn by me) – You are correct. Though in this particular picture I have no trouble telling her shape from the background objects.
Addendum: In cartoon art, generally, black fills are avoided. Instead you use very dark grey for black things, so as to keep the (black) outline distinct. Other artstyles have other ways of doing stuff.
At least I get to find out why the spyware doesn’t work… and fix it 💪.
On the other hand, I have a hard time explaining to my family why shit in my computer constantly doesn’t work… or I’m in the process of fixing it 😂.
If there are any car guys in the family, simply tell them it’s sorta like that. Tinkering is a totally valid hobby, but older people have an easier time understanding it with cars (because cars have been around longer, mostly :P)
Oh, they’ve kinda gotten used to it by now 😂. At least that’s what I think… they do avoid my computer though, so that’s a plus, I guess 😂.
I have no idea what I’m doing at any point in the process, and that’s why its fun.
I use Linux because I like to know that if my computer doesn’t do what I want, it’s my own damn fault (and not some corporation trying to screw me over).
I use Linux because when I encounter an issue there are numerous helpful forum posts and KB articles that cover it, even for really uncommon glitches. Whereas on Windows for even slightly obtuse errors, you just get the same base-level troubleshooting suggestions and AI listicles. Windows obscures actual useful information from end users which makes troubleshooting issues harder.
cough Canonical cough
I guess it is still “your own damn fault” if you use canonical ‘products’
Exactly. There’s something reassuring about it always being a skill issue. Am I going to develop those skills? Probably not. But I could.
I actually helped drive someone at my bike co-op to linux by comparing it to why I fix my bike. My bike is janky, but I’m the one who fucked it up. And no irritation is “get over it” it’s “here’s what it would take to fix it, decide if it’s worth it”
yea but from that frustration eventually comes the knowledge we want.
that was me when i switched and now i know what its doing on my most common workloads.
Shouldn’t be so frustrating in the first place.
There are disstros for that. And no just no. it is wrong to want to be spoonfed your computing needs, that’s what apple and microsofts wants: to turn your computer into a opaque magic box that does fuck all for you but also does loads of shit for their own interests on linux you are your own apple/microsoft you own your computer and it is an openbook that you can read and edit whererver you want in it and if it breaks and you fix it you only comeout more experienced from the experience
it is wrong to want to be spoonfed your computing needs
Why though? It’s not like you are building your own OS every time on assembler level, or do you?
Making software more convenient is one of the reasons for having software at all.That doesn’t mean turning it into an “opaque box” where company interests will be pushed. Having a more user experience oriented design in Linux distros can save a lot of time and frustration as well as make it more attractive to average users. Even power users, who work with Linux professionally will benefit.
And it just might start with something as simple as proper documentation of a package.
yes that’s right but that’s not what I meant by “it is wrong to be want o be spoonfed”. User friendliness is important and linux by large IS user friendly and well documented. There are distros like mint that go even more above and beyond in that aspect and I am greatfull for that. But to say that nothing should ever break and having one frustration and saying that linux isn’t ready is simply unrealistic and lazy as hell. People who act like this overlook how frustrating MacOS and Windows are to use and this dishonesty really gets to me personally
But to say that nothing should ever break and having one frustration and saying that linux isn’t ready is simply unrealistic and lazy as hell.
It should also be considered if those who are saying that could possibly be astroturfing for another company and it’s OS, in a negative way, to redirect the narrative.
There are plenty of people who would rather no computer than a computer that doesn’t magic box for them. That’s ok. What’s wrong is to make it hard to learn more and to manipulate it as you learn how
agreed.
some distros are plug and play though.
some distros are plug and play though.
This. I’m using Fedora/KDE, and it works fine.
Me last night after extolling the virtues of the OS to my wife, trying to figure out why upping my refresh rate results in completely fucked text in Linux Mint
So far I’ve gathered that it’s probably a similar issue to what half-rate shading does on the Steam Deck, but the fix or why it’s even doing it in the first place currently eludes me
E: if anyone else has a similar issue and is on an nVidia card: try the most recent driver, not the recommended one. If that doesn’t work, maybe the older one then? If still not god help you cuz the first idea worked for me
Man I really wonder what the venn diagram of Linux users/furries are. But I’m thinking it might be a circle within a circle kinda thing.
It is not two concentric circles, but the overlap is gigantic.
Both circles are entirely contained within a larger circle that says “neurodiverse people”, though.
It’s just the same classic bleed over of socially awkward nerds being into multiple things, like Star Trek, Star Wars, tech, programming, RPG gaming, anime, comic books, and of course, the furry fandom.
You’ll find lots of Linux users among those subgroups too.
[]Lemmy[ ]Star Trek[ ]Star Wars[]Tech[]Programming[×]Unicode[]RPG gaming (D&D)[ ]Anime[ ]Comic books[ ]Furry
I’m a Linux user since 2010. I’ve been pure Linux since 2020. I do not fall under any of those groups tho :/
It’s not too late >:3
I’m in 5/8 of those, yikes.
Same!
I have a furry for a friend who’s a die-hard windows and Microsoft guy
So it’s more IT, less Linux
The evil tech savvy people
It starts with fuzzy socks
So much does.
Hey, this Linux meme fun thread ended up in a Linux support help-desk questions thread. How untypical :-)
Unbutt
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Cute
Linux might not do everything you want it to, at least not easily, but it usually doesn’t do things you didn’t ask for, unlike all proprietary OSs these days.
I’ll remember that the next time someone makes a post like “why did apt upgrade install the snap version of Firefox”.
Usually. You already know the answer to that…
Canonical is like the Microsoft of the Linux world
When I see these kind of posts I can’t help but think that maybe they’re being made by people who could be astroturfing for another company and it’s OS, in a negative way, to redirect the narrative.
Because Microsoft cares so much about an 18.6K-member community called “linuxmemes” on a small federated Reddit alternative known for being filled with die-hard Linux fans and furries?
Because Microsoft cares so much about an 18.6K-member community called “linuxmemes” on a small federated Reddit alternative known for being filled with die-hard Linux fans and furries?
The company a corporation would hire to do that sort of thing would use a shotgun approach to the redirection postings. With bots it would be easy for them to do.
Ah, how could I have forgotten the legion of MSFT contract employees scouring… fucking… furaffinity for that sweet, delectable anti-Linux propaganda lmao
Ah, how could I have forgotten the legion of MSFT contract employees scouring… fucking… furaffinity for that sweet, delectable anti-Linux propaganda lmao
Because having bots backed by AI and a preset list of sites/forums to post to would be way too much of an effort and impossible to automate/do, right? /s
(And for the record, mentioning ‘bots’ for the second time now.)
Sure, because Linux is such a threat to Microsoft
There’s
verminfurries here?Careful of the venn diagram — if you’re talking to a member of a Linux community on Lemmy, chances are they aren’t anti-furry.
I will die on this hill. Their down votes mean nothing to me. I’ve seen what makes them cheer.
i think it’s a sort of meta ironic joke. The joke here is that it’s not working, and they’re trying to figure out why it’s not working, because linux actually lets you do this to some significant capacity.
i think it’s a sort of meta ironic joke. The joke here is that it’s not working, and they’re trying to figure out why it’s not working, because linux actually lets you do this to some significant capacity.
Yeah, no, not sure if I can agree with that interpretation. To me it seemed more like it was showing the frustration of the user trying to use Linux that doesn’t work, and having to debug the problem, adding to the frustration.
If it was expressing what you’re saying it was, then there would be one more final frame to the comic showing some kind of Linux ‘hero’ plot device solving the problem, or pointing out there really isn’t a problem.
i mean, admittedly debugging is not fun, i would know, it’s literally what i do in my spare time (i’ve spent thousands of hours working on autistic redstone trying to make it fucking work because it looks pleasing to the eye and runs fastlier)
It’s awful, the amount of swears i’ve said in relation to it is probably higher than politics, ironically. Granted, i still love doing this shit, it’s just grueling from time to time. It’s part of the lifestyle.
If it had one more frame it would no longer have a significant punchline though. That’s why i think it’s a meta joke. We as linux users often goad about the wonderful nature of linux, but when someone asks about it, we talk about all the shit that can break. Or it’s just the fact that it’s pretty easy to do things wrong sometimes.
For example, a while ago i was having an issue with video playback being incredibly sluggish. Turns out it was pipewire not running, which was weird. You would think a video would play fine without audio, and it should, but apparently that one case of not having audio output really fucked shit up.
That’s what we call a conspiracy theory
That’s what we call a conspiracy theory
Why? You honestly don’t believe that corporations never try to manipulate the narrative/message for their benefit/profit?
Early Microsoft was well known for wielding the FUD factor.
I really doubt they’re wasting time astroturfing a Linux community on Lemmy. You’re not going to convince hardcore devotees with a meme.
I really doubt they’re wasting time astroturfing a Linux community on Lemmy.
A bots (not human) time is very easy to waste, and if your product is having problems right now, one of the first things corporations would do to protect their profits is to try to reshape the narrative away from the problems, from the negative final spotlight on your product.
And finally, as I’ve linked before in this conversation, Microsoft has a long history of using FUD.
You’re not going to convince hardcore devotees with a meme.
They’re not directed just towards the ‘hardcore the devotees’, they’re also directed at the person who’s considering moving, who’s trying to do some research about it, and does searching about it, and then finds the memes/communities.
Stopping potential switchers before they switch is a powerful thing to do to preserve your products/profits.
And if you do these memes/messages often, and if they send a certain message/narrative, you would definitely introduce FUD into the people who would consider moving to Linux.
Pay attention to the meta.
No i believe that they are actively protect and promote their systems.
But the likelihood of them coordinating a meme based offensive against the, is it 4% now? of Linux users is very small compared to the likelihood of a self aware Linux user.
I am sure that you could turn this into me being hired by Microsoft to defend their agenda but in the end, the most plaussible explanation is usually the true one
But the likelihood of them coordinating a meme based offensive against the, is it 4% now?
But we’re seeing an uptick recently like we haven’t seen before, as it seems like the momentum is on the Linux side right now.
Also a standard good policy is to ‘kill the baby in the crib’, especially so when there seems to be more dissatisfaction with Windows 11 these recent days.
A potent combination of situations.
And finally, there’s nothing wrong (from a CEOs point of view) with just ‘beating down’ your competition every day of the week, regardless of their current market share, especially when it’s easy to do so.
I am sure that you could turn this into me being hired by Microsoft to defend their agenda
Honestly? The thought has come to my mind, that you’re actually an AI bot, part of the process to protect the current redirection of the narrative. Not hired by Microsoft per se, but a bot used by the company that any OS company would hire to shape the narrative.
And the fact that you brought it up first preemptively, and the way you use your verbiage, adds to the suspicion.
but in the end, the most plaussible explanation is usually the true one
You’re assuming yours is the most plausible explanation.
You keep dismissing the ease of use of using AI bots in today’s environment to redirect the narrative, and how often we’re seeing it done across all Internet-based media today.
There’s companies out there that actually sell these services to corporations, and profit from doing so. Profit is always a strong motive generator.
I won’t even try to convince you of the opposite or that i’m human. I even occasionally fail capcha tests so who knows!?
