• megabat@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    Can I use this to make my 48 hour weekend feel like a 480 hour weekend? I really don’t want to be back at work.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Can I use this to make my 48 hour weekend feel like a 480 hour weekend?

      No, because its a technological fantasy.

      People can “lose time” such that they don’t realize how long they’ve been unconscious. But they can’t “gain time”. That’s not how brains work. You can’t get an extra six weeks to study for an exam an hour before the test. Nothing will let you do that. Its pure wizard-tier shit.

      • stebo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        3 months ago

        There’s definitely ways to make a few minutes feel like hours. Unfortunately those ways aren’t really that pleasant…

      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
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        3 months ago

        There are stories of people experiencing whole lifetimes within dreams, especially within comas, as well as hallucinogenic trips that seem to last many years.

        The human brain is a lot weirder than we know.

        And it should be deeply troubling that if we ever learn to manipulate this kind of time perception that some people want to turn it towards torture, and they could get state backing to do so.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          There are stories of people experiencing whole lifetimes within dreams

          There are anecdotes about people claiming to remember living whole lifetimes within dreams.

          Even taking this utterly impossible to prove claim at face value, there’s no way to replicate anything like that in practice.

          And it should be deeply troubling

          I’m about as concerned with this as the possibility someone might try to reverse my gravity or Frankenstein my head into someone else’s torso.

          • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
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            3 months ago

            The plural of “anecdote” is “data”, and this is a fairly commonly reproduced story. I don’t know if you understand just how much of psychology and medicine in general is literally just self-reports. If we refused to listen to anybody about their personal stories, we’d know next to nothing about the human mind, and there are absolutely ways to correlate certain states of mind to external measures like FMRI scans.

            • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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              3 months ago

              this is a fairly commonly reproduced story

              The “falling dream” is a fairly common reproduced story. But “we’re going to invent a device that gives you the falling dream” is a big claim and “we’re going to give you a heart attack in your sleep by inflicting the falling dream on you” is an even bigger one.

              I don’t know if you understand just how much of psychology and medicine in general is literally just self-reports.

              Self-reports substantiated with medical data to correlate the symptoms with real physical conditions.

              You don’t rush a guy with chest pains into the ER, then skip the EKG.

              And if the guy with the chest pains says “These pains feel like they’ve been happening forever”, you don’t put “forever” on his medical record under “onset of symptoms”.

              there are absolutely ways to correlate certain states of mind to external measures like FMRI scans

              States of mind are very different than conditions of physiology. And even they have their limits. The title card is pure fiction. And trying to tie it back to “a feeling I had when I woke up from a dream” isn’t any kind of evidence-based analysis.

              • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
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                3 months ago

                Unless you have a point then there’s nothing here to respond to.

                I really wish people would learn to say what they mean.

          • Hule@lemmy.world
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            3 months ago

            I once had a dream like that, maybe 20 years ago. When I woke up, I was like:

            “Oh, this is my old room. But how…? It was just a dream! Now I get to live it.”

            It was a wonderful feeling. People would be hooked on it if it would be reproducible.

            I also have memories of what happened in there, but I’m fully aware that my brain could be projecting.

        • Zink@programming.dev
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          3 months ago

          If those situations can create strong memories about things that didn’t physically happen, then it seems like almost anything can appear to have happened from that individual’s perspective.

          From the individual’s standpoint, once they are awake they can’t really tell the difference between having experienced X and having vivid false memories of experiencing X.

          Maybe some kind of real time brain scanning/monitoring could help tell the difference.

    • paholg@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 months ago

      No, sorry. Ethically, this technology can only be used for torture.

  • farquadsquads@ani.social
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    3 months ago

    Can they just sort out the housing price and cost of living so we’re not forced to break the law to survive and get their thousand year sentence? Or nah?

        • Bizarroland@kbin.social
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          3 months ago

          I think it was Confucius that said that society is best when the laws are simple and people understand the laws.

          I mean what do we need with 5,000-year-old Chinese mysticism when we’ve got Elon musk shoving metal pellets into your medulla oblongata that can play ads at you in your dreams?

    • YAMAPIKARIYA@lemmyfi.com
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      3 months ago

      I’m pretty sure crimes like murder etc. are the ones that should be getting thousands year sentences. Has nothing to do with cost of living and housing price imo. I’m open to an explanation.

      • farquadsquads@ani.social
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        3 months ago

        People can’t afford rent and food, shouldn’t energies be put toward fixing that instead of whatever the hell problem this is aimed at?

  • Jaderick@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Who is researching this topic without losing sleep, and who reports on this crap in such a blasé manner lol.

    • Stovetop@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Without knowing more about the research, my gut tells me that it has been a tad sensationalized. Very little research is actually directed towards a specific goal in mind from the get-go. Normally, there are people researching a specific topic, reporting their findings, and then speculating on potential applications.

      So if I had to guess, there’s some company/institution/organization researching neural interfacing pathways or brain augments or something like that, a hypothesis that introducing X, Y, and Z conditions can alter one’s perception of time, and then under potential applications they list “accelerated prison sentences” as one such possibility. Then suddenly you have sensationalist news articles about how researchers are developing a dystopian system to make 1000 years pass in 8 hours for prisoners.

      This is likely going to end up in the same manner as the dozens of “Scientists may have discovered a cure for cancer” articles that turn up every year.

  • Icalasari@fedia.io
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    3 months ago

    That’s one way to mind break somebody into becoming a slave with no willpower to fight back

    • CptEnder@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      There it is. One of the most disturbing episodes in all Star Trek, and it’s exactly this. That and Inner Light, genuinely dark shit.

      O’Brien exists to suffer haha.

  • SeabassDan@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Naturally, this is the type of thing in sci-fi where we assume it’ll be used to generate massive amounts of income to benefit society in a magnificently short amount of time, and then some bastard comes around and says, “What if we incarcerate people for millenia?”

  • EvilFonzy@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    In my experience, the best way to make 8 hours feel like a thousand years is to get a job in IT.

    • BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca
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      3 months ago

      Yes, Let them single step using the same input data for a couple of weeks that will teach them!

  • seth@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Zero rehabilitative potential, but they could basically do this now by putting a prisoner in restraints and sending them on a nutmeg trip. Guaranteed horror with a complete loss of time perception. If purgatory were real, it would be a nutmeg trip.

    • Emmie@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      What

      I tried it more than once and never got this, did they rip me off at grocery store?

      • seth@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        It contains myristicin. Disclaimer up front that the best-case scenario is you don’t experience the trip and just get dry mouth and an upset stomach. It takes a lot of nutmeg, there’s a chance of poisoning since you likely won’t know the potency to begin with, and the Erowid vault is full of horrible experiences. Interesting to read though: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Nutmeg.shtml

        • Emmie@lemm.ee
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          3 months ago

          I remember mixing it with datura? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura Seeds.

          Overall I am glad I don’t do such stupid things anymore. Can’t remember the effects but I didn’t feel super good overall for the next months even iirc. Tachykardia i think it was and generally fucked up psyche for months

          I still feel like vomiting when thinking about it, 10 years later so it must have been pretty bad

          All species of Datura are extremely poisonous and psychoactive, especially their seeds and flowers, which can cause respiratory depression, arrhythmias, fever, delirium, hallucinations, anticholinergic syndrome, psychosis, and death if taken internally.

          Yeah well shit we didn’t have Wikipedia back then I guess. Psychosis and delirium that sounds kinda it.

          Omg I am reading the article and this stuff is right out of the Witcher Trial of the Grasses. Basically kinda lottery if the seeds will kill you or not because their toxicity depends on age of the plant.

        • twig@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          3 months ago

          It’s super unpleasant both in the delivery (eating a sufficient amount of nutmeg for the effects is hard to do without vomiting), and also in experience. Buuut my experience was basically like a fever dream – really bad but not torture-level bad.

  • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 months ago

    Not only that would be super cruel, it would also be pretty stupid, because how are you supposed to rehabilitate someone by basically just torturing them? And also, one of the good sides of prisons is keeping dangerous people away from their (potential) victims. Imagine if someone tried to murder you, went to jail, and then they got back out in 8 hours.

    • Wanderer@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      I’m sure the cartel would like this technology. Or their big brother the US government.

      The potential future horrors of the world can make suicide seem like a good idea.

    • casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works
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      3 months ago

      I think it would rely more on fear factor. Like they put someone under for what feels like 2 months, so they are on the brink of giving up hope, then pull em out and go “alright now we’ll assess you’re status and determine whether to put you back in for 10 years”

      I speculate it wouldn’t work on a variety of people though, as their brain could already be adjusted to altered time perception through the use of drugs. Even without hard drugs or Adderall, you can still fuck with your time perception using only weed and sugar (the food-- as in drink four cans of cola and get super baked immediately, then set 15 minute timers and get lost in your own head, see how long each of those 15 minutes feel)

      • Thrashy@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        Studies have shown that in most cases that you’d care most about, extreme punishment does not serve as an effective deterrent to bad behavior. Creating the Torment Nexus as a way to enhance prison sentences serves only to increase the degree of cruelty involved in our already vengeance-oriented justice system.

        • casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works
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          3 months ago

          I’ll need to find these studies and review them. Intuitively, the little I know about psychology suggests that that an extreme enough negative punishment will almost certainly cause a trauma deterring the afflicted individual from repeating the targeted behavior. This is, obviously, an unethical practice that no licensed practitioner of any form would employ and certainly qualifies as Cruel and Unusual Punishment. I am not promoting it’s use by any means, but suggesting that to the best of my inadequate knowledge that it’s supposedly effective. Then again, some may argue that capital punishment was meant to be an effective deterrent, which was proven false.

          Any studies you care to share? No worries if not, just thought I should ask before I go venturing. Appreciate the discourse!

          • Thrashy@lemmy.world
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            3 months ago

            It’s been many years since I read them, so I don’t know them off the top of my head. That said, as I recall the explanation was that:

            • most violent crimes are crimes of passion, and since they tend to occur in the heat of the moment people aren’t thinking about consequences
            • a significant amount of property crimes are acts of economic desperation and/or crimes of opportunity, where the consequences of being caught are either unimportant compared to the more immediate survival needs of the perpetrator, or not fully considered when presented with a tempting opportunity for quick gain

            and as such, most of what people think of when they think of criminal activity isn’t well controlled by draconian punishment, and is instead better addressed by improving the general welfare of the most at-risk populations, and focusing incarceration on rehabilitating offenders so as to be able to safely reintegrate into society.

            If I recall correctly, white collar crime is one of the few exceptions, since it tends to require quite a lot of planning and forethought to carry out… and if I’m perfectly honest, I’m fine with a billionaire CEO being sentenced to one hour in the Torment Nexus for every hour of stolen wages his company profited from, but alas, that’s not the world we live in.