You’re just doing exactly what conservatives want. Now they will have 20 kids and you will have zero, and the future generation will be further fucked.
I think about this a lot, and the first scene of Idiocracy.
If you think growing up in a conservative household guarantees a kid becomes conservative, you didn’t grow up in a conservative household.
Nobody owes children to society. I don’t have children because I despise infants and I don’t want the complication, period.
I’m not young, though, but I’ve never missed having children.
No, I’m doing what I want which is not to have kids. Regardless of what conservative fuckheads want or think.
Then this doesn’t apply to you why are you commenting
They just want more plebe workers, this is almost certainly not what they want
Won’t be long before the christian shithead republiclowns outlaw that too.
…and that’s why I’m getting it done next month. I’m genuinely worried it’s now or never.
wow, that is absolutely awful.
That you have such Fear of your Government i mean.
It’s not the government, it’s the republiclowns. They’re in power because of the idiots that keep voting for them because fox “news” tells them to. Nobody besides the rich as shit should be voting red. (the rich as shit are assholes and they at least benefit from the tax breaks) They’re just laughing at you while they piss all over you.
Please take a moment to appreciate “My uterus > your god”
this is actually a really based statistic now that i think about it.
Just sterilize yourself forcibly if you are ok with it. It’s a protest. What are they going to do, force us to have babies?
Also you can have your sperm or eggs frozen in case you do want to have kids in the future. Take control of your reproduction and fuck these conservatives.
True, but it’s enough $$$ to be out of range for many (for eggs anyways)
I support any person who chooses not to have children. It’s saving the planet. There are way too many people.
Not really. The people there are just put in little effort not to screw up the planet .
“Overpopulation” is a right-wing myth.
i have a theory that the food shortage is a sort of example of the overpopulation at play.
The sheer fact that there are so many people in this one place, that we can produce too much food, and then not distribute it effectively, implies to me that there are simply too many people in one place for it to be effectively distributed. I.E. over populated.
Your theory is bad.
i mean yeah, that’s a possibility. Why though? I think there is some potentially sound logic there.
If people in a city starve, it’s not because there are “too many people in one place” - it’s because the people who has control of the food distribution systems of that city chose to let them starve.
Pick a famine - Irish, Bengal, Ethiopian, the current ongoing one in Gaza… you name it. All preventable. All of them not prevented because the people who had control of the food distribution system saw fit not to prevent it because doing so didn’t serve their interests.
It has absolutely nothing to do with there being “too many people in one place.”
that’s the thing though, it’s not people in a city starving. It’s people across the world starving. I mean sure homeless people are starving and food security IS an issue in the states. But that’s also a macro level issue type deal.
Pick a famine - Irish, Bengal, Ethiopian, the current ongoing one in Gaza… you name it. All preventable. All of them not prevented because the people who had control of the food distribution system saw fit not to prevent it because doing so didn’t serve their interests.
It has absolutely nothing to do with there being “too many people in one place.”
yeah, no shit, that’s not what im talking about. You could argue an abusive mother not feeding their child one night is also proof against that claim.
My point is that currently, in our collective society, globally, i do not think that our system is capable of supporting the amount of people that exist, in a functional manner. For example, if there were less people in the israel/palestine region, and the rest of the middle east, since they seem to love proxy wars so much. There would likely be a lot less war leading to famine. These wars are cropping up LITERALLY over territorial disputes, gaza especially is done for this reason. Seems like the Irish famine you referenced was in part, due to unsustainable population growth. Again, the Bengal famine, was in part, due to an increase in population, which was unsustainable. Ethiopian famine is actually a little bit different, seems to be both in part due to war, and drought, or just drought, but it seems like another significant factor at scale was the food being grown being sold to other parties. As well as political shenaniganry. Though this was also happening during a civil war. Probably also in part, due to well, people existing over top of eachother.
But yeah no, those were absolutely preventable. Just give them food. Then they won’t starve. It’s that simple.
It is very discouraging to see someone with a presumably functional brain make an argument like this. Back in the 80s this could be written of as simple ignorance - but not today, when we have the information available at our fingertips.
There would likely be a lot less war leading to famine.
So how do you explain the very same kind of genocidal colonialist wars of the previous three centuries when there were a whole lot less people around?
These wars are cropping up LITERALLY over territorial disputes
Colonialism is not merely a “territorial dispute.”
Seems like the Irish famine you referenced was in part, due to unsustainable population growth.
No, genius - it wasn’t. Stop trying to apologize for colonialist exploitation by hiding behind right-wing “overpopulation” myths.
Environmental eugenics is still eugenics
Exactly what part of that is eugenics? Deciding not to have kids, or recognizing the environmental impact of the choice?
“There’s too many people on earth” is a eugenicists talking point by affluent westerners. It’s a short slippery slope from there to completely dehumanizing humans born in nations deemed “lesser than”
My main argument for antinatalism is that there are too many idiots willing to reproduce and raise children as bigger idiots than they are.
Instead of dehumanizing people for being born in a crowded, exploited region you dehumanize them for being less educated than you.
It’s not a question of education, but of willing persistence in stupidity, entitlement and hubris.
The irony of you decrying hubris in people you deem lesser than yourself is lost on you
You keep being told that. There are way too many billionaires, that’s the real problem.
And if you really want to raise kids, adoption is a win-win-win for you, them, and the planet
Isn’t it really expensive in a lot of places?
It can be. The system is intentionally bogged down with a lot of red tape to discourage people who aren’t fully committed to raising a child, especially one that isn’t their own biological offspring. The thing is, raising kids is expensive in general. You’ll shell out millions over their lifetime for basic necessities, education and enrichment. If somebody balks at the cost of adoption, they probably aren’t ready for kids yet anyway.
I knew of a girl when I was in high school. She was a senior and I was a sophomore. Word began rushing through the school that she (head cheerleader) was pregnant by the quarterback on the football team. He came from a super wealthy family, and honestly we all expected an immediate marriage and a ‘premature’ baby.
What happened instead was an announcement that she had died during emergency surgery and let’s all pray. She had had a (what we called) backstreet abortion and hemorrhaged.
We all knew how to access an illegal abortion, we knew the risks, and this girl just was the unlucky one.
She was super smart, in the Latin club, debate, 4.0, just destined for success. And instead she died.
This was in 1969, and I cannot believe we as a nation are willing to go back over 2 decades in women’s healthcare.
She had had a (what we called) backstreet abortion and hemorrhaged.
Banning abortions doesn’t stop abortion, it only stops safe abortions.
You can blame the Moral Majority. So many of them would look at your story and go “well that’s what she deserved for having premarital sex”.
Y’allQaeda is at it again. Yeehaa!
You know 1969 was 55 years ago? While that is technically “over 2 decades” that’s an interesting way to describe 55 years lol
Technically correct is the best kind of correct
I wonder what would happen if even just 50% of all women of child bearing age moved out of the states that added these abortion restrictions, that would basically destroy the states population in a few generations.
I wonder what the response would be…
Probably something terrible, and possibly illegal that would still somehow be permitted…
I am just a guy from Scandinavia looking at the US with complete disbelief that this shit happen in the west in this day and age.
To everyone fighting for this to be repealed I wish you all the best, and to all of those in favour of these restrictions, just stop voting, and go away.
What I have understood as a non American, the state would still have the same voting power though? So -75% of people, leaving just angry men I guess.
Sorta, but that’s not the whole story. We have two legislative bodies, the House of Representatives and the Senate. In the senate, every state gets two senators. In the house, every state gets at least two representatives, plus some amount based on population - california has 52, for instance.
The original idea was to “make sure rural voices were heard”. In practice, it very much has been what you stated - if you’re educated but not rich enough to benefit from republican policies, you flee red states en masse, leaving mostly rich assholes and uneducated chucklefucks who are hurt most by the very people they elect. They then have a massively disproportionate effect on policy versus any joe schmoe in california.
The problem is moving isn’t free and there aren’t good jobs in rural areas, meaning… Move with what money?
A few generations? One generation is enough. The population would collapse and they would be fucked.
Yeah any significant change in gender demographics of an area will cause problems. Too few men will cause some issues but our cultures have developed defenses around this problem thanks to cataclysmic wars happening every few generations. Too few women on the other hand will get real bad real fast especially since this will be a situation of existing misogyny driving women away. Some men will get real violent and those capable of living in either society will flee because they won’t get laid otherwise.
(Sarcasm) Don’t insult the west by lumping the US in with sane respectable nations. (/Sarcasm) The US is a third world country with some lipstick on at this point. We keep hoping to turn things around and put us back on course but. Damn is it exhausting.
I’m in the USA and we’re a garbage country. Don’t get me wrong, there are good areas and good people. But our broken system allows the craziest minority to have an outsized degree of power and they absolutely take advantage of it.
How a state like Wyoming, with fewer than a million people, can get as much say (in the senate) as my state of California is beyond me. We have almost 80x their population, yet they get an equal number of senators. I want a revolution that adjusts their voice to be proportional to their goddamned size.
Did you miss civics class? Having both a senate and a house was a compromise between the smaller and bigger states. Small states could have been railroaded by bigger states with strictly proportional representation. It’s almost like you’re repeating something you heard without thinking about it much…
It’s a stupid compromise to make. It might have made some sense at the time, when society expected them to behave as gentlemen with regard for their honor. Now a much smaller group gets to bully the rest of the country as a result.
I am too. There’s a reason I chose a lemmy host outside our borders.
(OK, it was mostly so the government has free reign to accidentally spy on my international traffic because FISA/PATRIOT act are just so cool and down to earth. /s)
Next step for Republicans: Ban sterilization. I mean plenty of doctors already refuse to agree for a patient to have a vasectomy/get their tubes tied, especially young (and white) patients, because of shitty personal beliefs. Why not go a step further? These working class heathens need to be forced to stay in line.
My mum, when she was in her mid40s, went to get her tubes tied. Dr refused, “still of child bearing age.” Her response: I’ve got 6 kids, tie these damn tubes or I’ll do it myself!
Edit: a word
I mean, if she wasn’t ‘of child bearing age’ anymore there wouldn’t be any point in tying her tubes anyway, so that’s a pointless reason.
Also ban viagra. Impotence is the will of god.
As a male, (who thankfully doesn’t need it, yet) I agree with this 100%. If these clowns are going to force their beliefs on others, they should have to face the same consequences. Make it illegal, not enough to ban it.
Can we please not do the “it hurts the other side more”-bullshit? Especially in light of the fact that Viagra has legitimate medical uses outside of ED and that ED can also be caused by factors that affect conservatives a lot less, such as HRT for trans women.
Sorry, god says only natural boners
How long until we see cishet women with “no unsnipped guys” in their Tinder bios?
As someone who was single and looking on dating apps a year ago I wish they did. Would have made my job easier since I don’t want kids and not everyone puts that on there. I was extremely upfront about being a loser gamer (I play league) that doesn’t want kids. You’d be surprised about the amount of people who still contacted me based on looks alone and didn’t bother to read the bio.
I was extremely upfront cause I know who I am and what I want and I’m not hiding it. Take me or leave me. Turns out It worked and I found my fiancee that way.
Dunno if I’m ‘young’ but I did get snipped 3 years ago. No kids for me.
I would look into this if I thought for a moment that someone might consider having sex with me ever again.
I’ll have sex with you.
Well, now I have to make a doctor’s appointment.
I got it done at 22 years old, no ragrets and no oopsies so far
As a woman, I am extremely jelous. I just get “wHaT iF YoU WaNt ChIlDREn?”
Wow, people really don’t want to wear a condom…
condoms are cool and all, until you get raped.
Or they fail.
or someone tries and pull a quick one on you or something.
“I forego the ability to have children in case I get raped and do not take the morning after pill”
yes, exactly, you figured it out, congratulations.
People would genuinely rather not being able to have children (it’s reversible most of the time, though not always) than be raped and have to support a child they are simply not capable of or ready to support.
How is sterilization preferable to the morning after pill?
probably because the morning after pill is potentially illegal, or possibly, soon to be illegal. As well as all of the potential red tape surrounding it.
Getting sterilized now, and not having to answer questions in front of a judge asking you why you took a morning after pill after getting raped is always going to be preferable. Plus a lot of these people already don’t want children. So it’s not like it makes a difference to them.
We live in absurd times.
No thanks, I’ll just fuck a fleshlight instead. Much better than a real vagina with a condom.
BTW condom dissent is majorly censored all accross the internet, even though it is an almost universally held belief that condom sex is shit sex not worth having.
it is an almost universally held belief that condom sex is shit sex not worth having.
Many false beliefs are held by a high number of people.
Are you really trying to pull a popularity fallacy?
Let me try an ad hominem, people who argue about fallacies, aren’t reliable authorities on what constitute good sex.
“Hurrrr hurrrr, people who know things don’t fuck, hurrr hurrr”.
Did you receive many head lesions playing football in college, or were you born a caveman already?
damn, bro would rather fuck a faux rubber pussy than fuck a pussy with rubber in between.
Yes, it’s not even a contest which feels better. It’s real easy to find why, the condom moves -with- you, the fleshlight doesn’t. And the slick slippery surface of the condom dulls the texture.
damn that’s crazy, i don’t remember asking though.
Hey if you don’t want to know, then keep it in your pants, your opinions that is.
I feel like people treat fertility way too seriously. So many doctors will refuse to sterilize people because “what if they want kids in the future”. Well then they can get a sperm donor or adopt. It’s not the end of the world.
That’s probably the thing conservatives are going to go after when they’re done banning birth control medication.
I avoid having kids by simply being completely unappealing to women. 😤
Is it possible to learn such power?
The simplest way is to be a Reddit mod.
That’s too much. I still want to be loved by my family and friends.
yeah, be a turbo nerd, don’t be socially competent (autism is a good start) and don’t care about romantic relationships. It’s all about the interpersonal aspects anyway.
