Imagine reading that headline 20 years ago.
God that would sound so dystopian and futuristic…but to be honest, most articles about AI today would sound like that back then. Damn people would freak out about privacy.
pretty sure they didn’t.
We should still freak out about privacy
BOINC came out 21 years ago, so it wouldn’t be that unreasonable.
Meanwhile, BOINC is right there, with far more useful work for your idle GPU to do.
Always been a folding@home guy myself.
So, it’s like folding@home, but instead of donating your spare compute to science, you sell it to generate porn?
Porning@home
This… This was inevitable.
“Selling” it for digital copies of images and some variable tweaks
Can we at least see it?
I’ll be a minority voice considering the other comments. But maybe just pay for onlyfans or whatever you guys use. I’m a generally attractive woman (I can surmise from interactions while trying to date) and I really don’t like the idea that my likeness would be used for something like this. Get your jollies off, but try and be a bit consensual about it. Is that so much to ask?
Deepfake pornography is super goony but if I had to look for a silver lining, at least nobody had to undergo the actual physical degradation of making porn. It’s still gross in its own way, but it’s a different kind of gross that seems worse in some ways but better in others.
I don’t know… Am I off base here?
The consent is entirely missing
That’s the part I was alluding to as being worse
Ah, right, sorry. The first part of your comment makes it seem like you’re leaning the other way.
I’m not sure if I feel strongly enough about it to have a consequential opinion either way but I’m trying to at least judge the situation objectively.
I think you raised a valid point. The non-consensual nature of deepfakes pushes it into the realm of abuse material and maybe that’s worse overall than the general exploitation of women going on in the adult film industry, even if those are supposed to be “consensual” on paper.
Judging by another comment here, non-consensual porn is far worse, and causing suicidal thoughts and more.
So I’d say it has all the “gross” of regular porn (which is subjective) and the additional “gross and horrifying” of violating someone.
I think the key is a lot of people don’t want to pay for porn. And in the case of deep fakes, it’s stuff they literally cannot pay money to get.
I know someone who’s into really dark romance stuff, like really hardcore stuff, but she’d never do some of this due to safety reasons. I can totally see her generating scenes of herself in those situations.
So I’m not disagreeing with you, but you’re assuming they’re making deepfake images, and the article doesn’t specify that. In fact I’d bet that it’s just AI generated “people” that don’t exist.
What about AI porn of a person that doesn’t exist?
However, one of Salad’s clients is CivitAi, a platform for sharing AI generated images which has previously been investigated by 404 media. It found that the service hosts image generating AI models of specific people, whose image can then be combined with pornographic AI models to generate non-consensual sexual images.
Fair, somehow I missed that
‘somehow’
Or…just go out and meet people? Onlyfans just enables perversity to keep spreading and ruining our society.
I have a question and I hope that people here will discuss this because I really want to understand the general opinion on this.
Is it wrong to deepfake someone without their consent so long as you don’t share the content and it’s all stored locally? I’ve seen this come up and my general opinion is that it isn’t. I know that isn’t the case in the article, just want to hear why people would disagree.
My angle is that doing a deepfake of someone in private hurts zero people and is an extension of fantasy. I don’t see the creation of fake nudes any different than writing fantasy erotica about someone. And I also don’t see it as different than creating fake nude art of them by hand or with photoshop. Like if you do it in your head anyways, which is completely normal, then aren’t we just worried about the outside effects and not the fantasizing itself?
It’s at least as wrong as fantasizing about them if they aren’t already romantically involved with you.
How wrong that is, is up for debate. It will definitely creep them out and they can never find out about it.
If it’s just in your head, at least there’s no physical way they could ever find out. You’d have to admit it. But if you have it on your hard drive, a hacker could get it and blackmail you with it, or just distribute it.
So my stance is that there’s a non-zero chance of doing harm to them, and so it’s wrong. I wouldn’t do it. I also wouldn’t create it with Photoshop, or by hand, for the same reason.
If you want to jerk off, do it to existing porn, or imaginary people porn. Don’t create porn of real people without their permission, even if you think nobody will ever see it other than you. Accidents happen, and they don’t deserve to bear the cost of that.
You’d have to admit it. But if you have it on your hard drive, a hacker could get it and blackmail you with it, or just distribute it.
There are lots of sick fucks that will distribute it themselves and even send it to their victims to harass them directly. It’s already happening.
I don’t think it’s possible to ban it outright, and I think what people do on their own computer is their own business so long as they aren’t connecting to other computers, but we should have strong laws against distributing it and treat it the same as distributing secretly taken real nudes against someone’s will. Victims need recourse against harassment.
It will definitely creep them out and they can never find out about it.
And that’s all that’s required for it to be considered wrong IMO.
Better not ever fantasize about anyone without their consent, either.
How anyone could think that going so far as to invoke thoughtcrime is relevant in this discussion is beyond me. It should be self evident to anyone that fantasies are a thing. They’ve been a thing for the entire history of the human race. In no way do fantasies compare to creating reproducible and sharable media of someone in a pornographic situation without their consent.
You can’t transplant your fantasies into someone else’s head. Your fantasies literally cannot hurt anyone. On the other hand, imagine if you found out that someone was distributing pornographic material depicting one of your loved ones. It can quite literally ruin someone’s reputation to be seen in a pornographic situation.
Your argument is some slippery slope fallacy shit.
Reread the comment I replied to and then reread my comment. You are putting words in my mouth. I never mentioned anything about sharing anything nor implied anything of the sort.
Shouldn’t be but I’ve been down voted here for speaking against deepfakes. Some people really don’t want to see the problem with them.
Ai porn isn’t deepfake porn. The default is just a random ai generated face and body. Unless you want to it’s difficult to deepfake someone.
Their photos are still unwittingly being used as training data.
Whose photos?
Excellent question.
You can’t just say “excellent question” when someone asks you to clarify your point lmfao
“They’re trying to force our kids to get vaccines so they can manipulate them with 5g wifi”
How could they manipulate your kids with 5g signals?
“That’s a good question innit”
Agreed. Because without an answer, it’s just a baseless claim.
Haven’t heard of inpainting?
It isn’t too much to ask. According to Dr. K of HealthyGamerGG (Harvard Psychiatrist/Instructor), research shows that the release of non-consensual porn makes the unwilling subjects suicidal over half the time. Non-consensual porn = deepfakes, revenge porn, etc. It’s seriously harmful, and there are other effects like depression, shame, PTSD, anxiety, and so on. There is functionally unlimited porn out there that is made with consent, and if someone doesn’t want to be publicly sexually explicit then that’s their choice.
I’m not against AI porn in general (I consider it the modern version of dirty drawings/cartoons), but when it comes to specific likenesses as with deepfakes then there’s clear proof of harm and that’s enough for me to oppose it. I don’t believe there’s some inherent right to see specific people naked against their will.
I think it would be too big of a privacy overreach to try to ban it outright as I think what people do on their own computers is their own business and there’s no way to enforce a full ban without being incredibly intrusive, but as soon as it gets distributed in any way I think it should be prosecuted as heavily as real non consensual porn that was taken against someone’s will.
I wonder if part of the emotional risk is due to the general social stigma attached to porn. It becomes something that has to be explained and justified.
If done to grand excess, deepfakes could crash the market on that, so to speak. Yeah, everyone saw your face on an AI-generated video. They also saw Ruth Bader Ginsburg, their Aunt Matilda, and for good measure, Barry Bonds, and that was just a typical Thursday.
The shock value is burnt through, and “I got deepfaked” ends with a social stigma on the level of “I got in a shouting match with a cashier” or “I stumbled into work an hour late recently.”
My main concern is for kids and teenagers. They’ll bully people for no damn reason at all and AI porn allows for bullies to do more fucked up psychological abuse, and that could be made much worse if victims have no recourse to fight back.
This shit is tight. I signed up. I consume porn I might as well help them make it
Capitalism breeds innovation
This feels exploitative AF on multiple levels.
What? Seems like porn generation is the new crypto mining.
I’d rather have a wealth of new porn around rather than thousands random Blockchains going around.
At least the porn will probably be useful for someone long term haha
wow. Imagine burning out your expensive GPU for a fortnite skin.
explain this to a person in 1998
Imagine collecting the smartest people on the planet from 100 years ago and explaining this.
Eh I agree with the reasonable takes here. Nothing wrong with generating that sort of stuff until it starts resembling the likeliness of a real living person. Then I think it’s just creepy; especially if for some reason you are sharing it 💀
I remember when GPUs were used to fold proteins…
I wore an onion on my belt
As was the fashion at the time
So… this AI company gets gaming teens to “donate” their computing power, rather than pay for render farms / GPU clouds?
And then oblivious parents pay the power bills, effectively covering the computing costs of the AI porn company?
Sounds completely ethical to me /s.
No no, they’re getting copies of digital images out of it. It’s a totally fair trade!
I kinda fail to see the problem. The GPU owner doesn’t see what workload they are processing. The pr0n company is willing to pay for GPU power. The GPU owner wants to earn money with his hardware. There’s a demand, there’s an offer, nobody is getting hurt (ai pr0n is not illegal, at least for now) so let people what they want to do
Because most ai-generated pornography models are trained off actual nudes scraped off the internet; and not just those who work in the corporate porn industry. This essentially falls under the same morality as nonconsensual/revenge porn by allowing all and sundry to generate images off images the original posters never were polled for consent for.
But I forgot, this comm is plagued with treathounds that meatspace kink communities would throw out for a rule 3 breach; so I don’t know why I’m inconveniencing the electrons to explain something that even the terminally-pornbrained should be able to comprehend…
The problem is that they are clearly targeting minors who don’t pay their own electricity bill, and dont even neccessarily have awareness that they are paying for their fortnite skins with their parents money. Also: there is a good chance that the generated pictures are at some point present on in the filesystem of the generating computer, and that alone is a giant can of worms that can even lead to legal troubles, if the person lives in a country where some or all kinds of pronography are illegal.
This is a shitty grift, abusing people who don’t understand the consequences of the software.
Agreed. Preying on children who don’t understand what they’re signing up for is shitty to begin with.
Then, add that deepfake AI porn is unethical and likely illegal (and who knows what other kinds of potentially-illegal images are being generated…)
And, as you point out, the files having existed in the computer could, alone, be illegal.
Then, as and extra fuck you, burning GPU cycles to make AI images is causing CO2 emissions, GPU wear, waste heat that might trigger AC, and other negative externalities too, I’m sure…
It’s shit all around.
Great. Now we’re trading pre-made traditional artwork to kids in exchange for fresh robot porn!
and the kids are getting the traditional art! would not have called it.