I love living in a car free city. I can’t believe America doesn’t build more cities like mine.
What city?
san francisco
SF and Oakland aren’t car-free, they are car outsourced. You don’t drive, you have someone drive you. Other then a very narrow stretch of Down Town SF to Oakland, most of that metro area isn’t served by public transit. Unlike say NYC where most of the metro area IS served by public transit. (It’s still not car free though.)
Huh, weird that when I was there, there were literally thousands of cars. Probably just hallucinated it
That’s not really what car free means.
For years I’ve somehow missed this. Cars driving on nearly every street and somehow that “car-free”, yeah makes perfect sense.
I think it’s because the bar is so low, just the ability to choose to walk for everyday commuting, errands, and leisure qualifies as car free. Ie, you can choose to be car free if you want.
Oh. So you mean the places where you have to be rich to live at a nice place, while everyone else has to live in a tiny apartment in a huge building that’s been borderline uninhabitable since the 1970’s?
Why would anyone hate that? To me it sounds like a utopia. I just had to buy new tires for my car @#$%*!
As French :
Amsterdam my love.Almost no cars at all,
Pure joint, with no tobacco,
No noise,Europeans and their weed with tobacco, smh my head
Tobacco mixed with cannabis seems like a good way to ruin quality weed.
I’ve already warmed up to the idea that we’d have to force positives changes through in the dead of night. With all things said and done, watch those who’d rail against it say they’ve always been in favor of it.
It’s like when chuds try to take credit for civil rights, or 5 day work weeks (Henry Ford willed the concept into existence, not years of direct action by the labor movement).
Lenin talked about how the ruling class will actively oppose a revolutionary figure, but once society at large accepts them, the ruling class will switch face and pretend like it always supported said figure.
I feel like this is people about most things. Most people aren’t very imaginative.
They’re kind of stupidly in favor of how things are, but once it changes they’re like this is great I don’t know why we didn’t do it before.
Like imagine if free public libraries didn’t exist and someone tried to create them. Conservatives would shit their pants hating it.
Not just conservatives.
Yah, Plenty of liberals shit them selves when you suggest giving an unalloyed good away for free.
Meh, I’ve spent time in walkable cities. Months of renting small apartments in the EU on a work trip.I still prefer cars.
I didn’t think you’re going to convince these people.
It’s awesome you didn’t provide a single example about why you prefer unwalkable cities
We don’t have to convince them to give up their own cars; we just have to stop catering to them by providing so much subsidized road and parking space.
Yeah you’re right, who likes no pollution, no noise, strong communities and third places to bond with people, kids having public spaces to play in their neighborhoods, green, sustainability, healthy, active people that don’t sit in front of a wheel all day long… Who likes all that seriously?
I get privacy, AC, and I get to go shopping once every two weeks instead of smaller trips every day, and I still live in a small neighborhood with a lovely park within walking distance.
I’m fucking crazy right!!!
There’s AC in public transport.
Your privacy is of no concern to us, like you could claim you want more privacy, which you can achieve by commuting with a jet(people can stare at you through the car window) - that doesn’t mean the world has to cater to your unreasonable demands.
The fact that there is a park in your neighborhood doesn’t mean anything, since the public spaces are simply not enough. We don’t have more green instead of this sea of tar, because some people like you don’t care about either the environment or the alienation of the communities or the health implications of car centric cities.
The opposite of one trip every two weeks isn’t everyday, it’s once a week on a bike, I’m sure you can make this sacrifice since…yk I specifically explained how our world and lives are ruined from car centric cities. And if you are not willing to make this insurmountable sacrifice, you are just a lost cause and an enemy to green walkable vibrant cities and therefore to us.
You are not fucking crazy, you are fucking toxic to comment in this place to begin with.
Privacy… in a car… in 2024…
I was going to only comment that but seriously,
shopping once every two weeks instead of smaller trips every day
that just means you’ll only have fresh produce for a week at most, any bread you buy will be unusable after 4 days and if something you need is not in stock you have to wait another two weeks.
We’re GF. The vast majority of veggies are just fine for 2 weeks with little care. The only freshness issues we run into are potatoes and lettuce type greens. If we have to we always have the ability to make a second trip.
What is important to you may not be to others. I don’t understand how the folks in here don’t get this. You’ve already converted people who want to be converted. It’s an uphill battle. You are sitting here trying to prove my preference is wrong. I’ve experienced both and make a choice to live semi rural and it suits every single one of my preferences.
What is important to you may not be to others.
Honestly, genuinely, being able to get fresh produce daily and good bread - gluten free or not (there’s gluten free bread???) - and being able to be spontaneous and take a quick 5 minute walk to the store because I’ve unexpectedly run out of eggs in the middle of baking or whatever aren’t things that are at all important to me, they are just facts of life. What’s important to me is not being inconvenienced by people who think it’s their god-given right to own a car and make it everyone’s problem.
My issue here is that you’re saying
I get to go shopping once every two weeks instead of smaller trips every day
like everyone should obviously agree that only going once every two weeks is the better experience and just stopping by on the way to or from work or in your lunch break is somehow an inferior experience.
You are sitting here trying to prove my preference is wrong.
I don’t care about you, I care about other people possibly reading this and want to make sure - since they’re interested in the conversation already - why we think living car-free is better. The top level comment on this chain is you stating your opinion that cars are better, with no explanation at all as to why. I know that people like you are a lost cause.
Your preferences are asinine to a sustainable society. Which part of that can you not understand?
Again, I’ve done more than you unless you’ve gotten mostly off the electric and gas grid as I have. As pointed out elsewhere I have done quite a bit to reduce my footprint. Good luck convincing the other folks with comments line that 🤣. Y’all just have resorted to personal attacks.
Yes, you are. Also a liar.
privacy
How is that important in a commute?
AC
Busses and trains also have AC. If you’re walking or cycling, the wind will be more than enough to keep you cool.
I get to go shopping once every two weeks instead of smaller trips every day
You can do the same in walkable neighborhoods, only the sane thing to do is to buy less more often. As a bonus, you’ll be healthier and your food will be fresher.
Yes, you are. Also a liar.
Okay? I guess I’m a liar? What are you referencing if I might ask? I’m not sure where I’m lying here.
privacy
I didn’t have to hear you. I don’t have to touch you. I can blast tswift quite loudly and sing with my daughter as much as I want. I can also enjoy the quietness.
Busses and trains also have AC. If you’re walking or cycling, the wind will be more than enough to keep you cool.
🙄👌👍 I love it when the zealots start telling me how much I sweat. It’s giving insane deranged shit lol.
I get to go shopping once every two weeks instead of smaller trips every day
You can do the same in walkable neighborhoods, only the sane thing to do is to buy less more often. As a bonus, you’ll be healthier and your food will be fresher.
You most certainly do not walk with a family sized trip. I fill a literal full size us grocery cart. Not a chance you are doing that walking without some insane system.
You need to use ">" to quote someone.
🙄👌👍 I love it when the zealots start telling me how much I sweat. It’s giving insane deranged shit lol.
I suffer from severe hyperhidrosis, meaning I literally can’t stop sweating and sweat way more than the average person at any given temperature. Public transportation does just fine for me.
You most certainly do not walk with a family sized trip. I fill a literal full size us grocery cart. Not a chance you are doing that walking without some insane system.
I literally do. Maybe all that sitting around in a car has caused your muscles to atrophy.
23 minute 5k. Try again bae 😘
are you realising how petty and mean you’ve become in this comment section? is this the person you want to be? is this the person your daughter would be proud of calling her parent? exercise is proven to be good for mental health, maybe you should take a trip to that park you’ve mentioned and leave the internet be for the day.
