No mention of the NDP. If only that was the “something different” people were willing to try.

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    Squinty McProudBoy is your best bet for trump like policies in Canada. Privatized everything, including healthcare, and tax cuts for billionaires… #SquintyMcProudBoy #trumpLite #bitcoinMilhouse

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      Good. I’m tired of everyone being poorer than the poorest state and not getting fuck all for our taxes.

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        Tax cuts for the rich is the opposite of what you’re talking about. We need more taxes on the rich. The only way pollieve can sell that is by cutting a few bucks off of everyone’s taxes. It’s a horrible deal.

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        Comments like this make it clear you have no idea how bad it is in the poorest states, and delusional if you think a system designed to extract the maximum value from each consumer means health care is going to cost you less. I can only assume from you’re statement that you aren’t making 6 figures or more, so you likely will see worse healthcare under a private rather than better. Poverty is twice as high in America, and three times as high in Mississippi, the poorest state.

        Housing is also a serious issue, and is affecting far too many people, but the indications are it is just as bad in America.

        I don’t think adopting their policies are going to improve our state.

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          I do. I lived down south frequently. Even the Globe and Mail was decrying Ontario bring poorer than Mississippi and Alabama recently. Only person here doesn’t know what goes on is you. I’m not patriotic and am tired of people who are to the point of wilful blindness. You assume a lot trying to blather a response. Our healthcare is shit and costs people who make under a hundred a year more in tax than insurance would, despite all the horror stories our media loves to push, that are nothing but (very effective) propaganda.

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            Having lived in several different countries with both public and private healthcare, I can say with confidence that privatization is the death of a healthcare system.

            Health for profit makes everyone’s care worse except for the really rich, who still end up paying more under that system than they otherwise would have.

            Even something like government reimbursemrnt for privatized healthcare means public health care suffers, as public institutions now have to compete with higher salaries paid by private hospitals, slowly eroding the system from the inside out.

            There’s no such thing as cheap healthcare, but public systems are a hell of a lot better at keeping it affordable and accessible.

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                I think you’re severely exaggerating. Also, the main reason it’s not in the greatest place right now is mainly because privatization continues to slowly chip away at it. Conservative governments (and even liberals, to a lesser degree) are trying to degrade service so they can sell it back to you at a much higher rate. We certainly do need to do better in having enough family doctors, and cutting down ER wait times, but for big problems that have solutions, we still do a very good job.

                Case in point, a family member of mine recently underwent spinal surgery, and I have to say once the system realized there was a reasonable probability of success it hauled ass to get them in ASAP. This surgery elsewhere would have left my family member essentially destitute. Instead it cost us literally zero dollars above the standard tax cost of healthcare.

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                  No. I’m not. People pay taxes all their lives and then end up having to go to Rochester and pay anyways if they want to live.

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            Dude, there’s areas down there where they have open sewer canals filled with shit between houses and there’s like one whole doctor in a county. Yeah, a rich white person in Mississippi is probably better off than a poor Canadian. Most Mississippians aren’t rich.

            Our healthcare is shit and costs people who make under a hundred a year more in tax than insurance would

            Canada spends less per-capita on healthcare than America by a good margin. I’m not sure where you got this, all that comes up are political think-tanks, but that suggests the per-capita payment would be lower even before the private insurers take a cut.

            that are nothing but (very effective) propaganda.

            For who? Nobody makes big money off of public hospitals. Doctors and nurses make just enough to keep them there, administrators at least where I live are few and far between, and all are under-resourced and overworked.

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    I gave Trudeau multiple years of me holding my nose while voting for him. It’s clear he has no idea and no interest about the struggles of Canadians, and how could he, he’s never struggled financially in his life. If you’re a citizen of another country suffering, Trudeau will move the earth to get you some help. But if you’re a Canadian trying to make ends meet, fuck you. I would get more regard from my government if I wasn’t Canadian.

    The problem is if I vote for the ndp, I split the vote and this conservative fuck gets in power too.

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      I seriously think the NDP and liberals should split ridings next election, just so they don’t split the vote.

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      My thoughts are that if the Conservatives are going to win anyway, why not give the NDP a chance to be the official opposition? Or hope that Liberals and NDP form a coalition to govern together and actually make changes to help Canadians.

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    People are mad, I don’t blame them for being mad. I blame them for being stupid enough to think the Conservatives will make anything better.

    We spent 11 years under Harper watching housing prices skyrocket too, even with the global housing collapse in the middle he still left prices 40% higher than when they started.

    The conservatives are going to get 4 years, and they’re going to spend the entire time blaming the fact that things are still getting worse on the Liberals. They may even get a second 4 years before people realize that the Conservatives also can’t(or won’t) fix the affordability problems.

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      People are blaming the federal government for things that their elected premiers have caused. Just look at the provincial landscape, nearly all conservative premiers.

      And premiers are the ones who affect our daily lives.

      Yes, people are stupid. If more of them spent less time thinking about fucking Trudeau, maybe they’d see who’s actually causing their hardships.

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        Yes the premiers devalued the currency and imported a million people in the last nine months. GTFO here.

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      My favorite part comes in 6 years when the Conservatives have lost again and they’re campaigning on all the problems they caused in heir tenure while blaming said problems on the Liberals.

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      It’s frustrating seeing conservative followers claim the the current government is lying to them based only on the lies they are hearing from conservative leaders.

      Is no one capable of fact checking what they hear? It’s exhausting hearing the same bogus statements over and over and over.

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        Yeah it is. From people like you. I don’t listen to the opposition, I don’t have to, I just have to listen to trudeau and freeland to see the problem

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          Listening to anyone doesn’t mean you’re getting all the facts. We have to do our own legwork here instead of allowing ourselves to simply agree with what our confirmation bias dictates and some politician says.

          That’s what our opinions should be based on instead … facts alone.