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John Barnett had worked for Boeing for 32 years, until his retirement in 2017.
In the days before his death, he had been giving evidence in a whistleblower lawsuit against the company.
Boeing said it was saddened to hear of Mr Barnett’s passing. The Charleston County coroner confirmed his death to the BBC on Monday.
It said the 62-year-old had died from a “self-inflicted” wound on 9 March and police were investigating.
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ITT: The equivalent of Trump supporters confusing the fact that they are suspicious that the election was stolen, with actually knowing so.
I’d say it’s more like a huge percentage of votes for one candidate got lost in a fire. Sure fires happen, but it was really important that this one should be protected from happening.
Well, Boeing is demonstrably willing, even determined, to choose financial short term gain over any amount of human lives or reputation loss. It would be shocking if it was truly an accident that saved Boeing from a second day of testimony right when everything is starting to really fall apart for them, right?
Notice how you haven’t offered up any evidence. Just motivation to kill him (even that’s tenuous at best).
You know what Trump supporters often argue? That the “deep state” had motive to stop Trump from becoming POTUS, which is what makes their claims reasonable.
In this case, you’re acting just like them.
Exactly what evidence are you expecting random people on the internet to dig up?
I’m expecting random people on the Internet not to dog up evidence, but to accept that their suspicions are just that, and without evidence you can’t call it likely the truth or pretend you know what happened.
You know, basic critical thinking.
No, that’s called letting other people think for you, but if that’s what you consider critical thinking, then I know who you voted for.
I don’t disagree with you. But evidence of Boeing being willing to trade lives for profit is super, super easy to find right now. If you aren’t being disingenuous I am willing to do some of the labor you are asking for
You are just justifying being suspicious. I’m suspicious too. You don’t need to convince me of rhay.
But it’s 100% possible for them to be willing to kill him but he still killed himself. Right now I’ve seen no evidence that they did it. It’s all blind speculation.
I didn’t say they did although I would personally place it at like a 60% likelihood. Obviously there’s no evidence, this literally just happened.
Just wanted to be clear that I live in reality and no one has the security camera footage yet.
I didn’t say they did
t would be shocking if it was truly an accident that saved Boeing from a second day of testimony right when everything is starting to really fall apart for them, right?
Say it? No. But you certainly implied it.
I would personally place it at like a 60% likelihood.
Which is based on suspicion alone. That’s my point.
If it’s Boeing, I’m NOT going.
…what the fuck?
First whistleblower “suicide”?
The second I see someone’s name next to whistleblower, I know they’re on borrowed time, some manage to be left alone, but most don’t, that’s why we need to keep these people’s names and causes alive, we can’t let corporations get away with silencing a whistleblower, we must amplify it.
100% they killed him
Think hard on this. This is an aerospace tech company.
Now-
Remember that Trump, a piece of shit coward that’s staring down the barrel of multiple prison sentences….
had the names and addresses of all the jurors in his upcoming trial.
What else does boeing do?.. It wouldn’t be military tech also? Like Apaches for example.
Seems legit.
i can’t find it online, but im reasonably certain i heard an interview with this guy on Canadian public radio several years ago that really shook me. he talked basically about how he wouldn’t fly on a Boeing plane, knowing what he knows and having seen what he’d seen, stuff like quality rejected parts getting taken back into inventory to meet quotas. the takeaway for me was that the quality control system that had previously worked so well was an invention of equal or possibly higher importance to any kind of aerodynamic innovation present on those planes. i work in an analogous role (in a different industry) and i really do take it more seriously after having heard the interview. nobody likes the work of quality assurance and you’ll never see someone doing a non-conformance report on TV but it’s a necessary condition for planes to stay in the sky. RIP to a real one and if he got murdered then i hope the industry burns
John Oliver’s Boeing broadcast last week included a video of a guy walking around a Boeing production floor asking all the people if any of them would be willing to fly in a Boeing. Of everyone he asked a single guy said yes and then followed it up with “but I kind of have a death wish.”
There were more yes’s, but they were cut out of the video. However, Oliver mentions after the video what amount of them said yes and what amount said no. Most of them did say “no” though.
If Boeing was running a tight ship with safety in mind, they should all have been yes. If one said no, that could be a disgruntled employee for some reason or another, but jesus…
Anyways, Airbus for me it is.
Neat, I’m jumping on a Boeing 737-700 in about 8 hours. Nice knowin ya while it lasted.
It’s not a MAX so you’ll probably be fine haha
My southwest flight will be on a max 8 both ways. Wish me luck.
That model was created before they started cutting corners. You should be fine.
I think even Boeing is still safer per passenger mile than any car, or biking/walking.
Did he fly on a Boeing plane?
I’m not going to say that Boeing had this guy directly killed, but I can certainly see them and their legal team explicitly trying to make his life as hellish as possible until he felt that he only had one way out. Legal threats if you stop proceeding with your case, legals threats if you don’t, they want a terrible warning for any other whistleblowers.
Isn’t that exactly what happened to Aaron Schwartz? Not a whistleblower, but similar tactics
Yes the FBI wanted to make an example out of him for the crime of downloading research papers from a service he had legitimate access to. Even JSTOR thought the prosecution was absurd and didn’t want anything to do with it.
I’m fully expecting to learn in a decade or so that spez was behind it using his family connections to push out the one person dedicated to keeping reddit from becoming a profit machine.
So, the guy was expected to appear in court for thw second round of questioning and when he didn’t show up was found dead in his truck in the underground car park of the hotel. Doesn’t sound like someone that wanted to end it. Maybe I’m wrong but I wouldn’t book a room to go to court and then on a whim decide to end it.
They should investigate the coroner asap.
Sounds like Jeffrey Epsteins coroner.
Most people that kill themselves do so on a whim. Its probably not the case, but its not impossible. I’m guessing either the coroner is corrupt, or they have actual evidence it was a suicide. If it was a murder, then I doubt Boeing would do it without assurance it couldn’t be traced back to them. So regardless of what actually happened, the only official story there will ever be is that it was a suicide. That is, unless Boeing is as reckless about murder as they are about building planes.
Most people who commit suicide actually plan to do it. There is plenty of warning beforehand.
Most people that kill themselves do so on a whim.
[Citation required]
I would argue that most likely than not there is a trail of depression and/or mental illness that leads up to the actual act being done.
Absolutely, I don’t mean there is no warning whatsoever. There is almost always a history of depression, but that history is not always visible to loved ones, let alone the public. I just mean they are likely not specifically planning to commit suicide until soon before they do it, which at least in my experience is true
Yeah it could emerge apparently at random for unsuspecting familiars, but this guy was about to do something that was important for him, on which he worked for years according to the article. Sounds sus to me.
What a terrible coincidence
A terrible coincidence, indeed.
What would be the correct expression? Someone has committed this whistleblowers suicide?
Suicide implies that he did it to himself. In the absence of enough evidence to say “murder” it’s the best phrase we’ll get.
He was suicided
How tall was the self inflicting wound fall? There aren’t a lot of tall buildings near Everett.
Maybe it was 3 bullets to the back? He was probably an engineer. Engineers can figure out how to purposely shoot themselves in the back more than 1 time with the same or multiple guns. Some plywood, rope or string, glue gun, and miscellaneous items, that’s all you need really…and a gun with bullets. Let’s start a project “automated self immolation chair”. I’m going to set-up a weekly meeting with you all until a prototype rev A is complete. We’ll start this morning with a 4 hour DFMEA followed by a three hour brainstorming session. We’ll need a business plan if we want approval for resources. I’ve just discussed the objective with my boss. She said no, and to take the trash out. And wash the dishes. It was an abrupt end of project but we learned valuable lessons. I’ll have a report out before Friday 5pm. We’ll be going out for drinks if you want to discuss details. Ah yes! Another successful project completion!
Let’s start a project “automated self immolation chair”
that’s just called the electric chair, is it not? Just press the button yourself
Well, I mean, it doesn’t have to be electric. We need to discuss the IP in this here electrical seating device you mentioned wherein they have incorporated a single button function for electrically terminating life function. There may be room for a continuation design patent where dismemberment, disembowelment and other dis-x-ments can also be actuated via a single throw single contact latching button. With proper denouncing circuits and or algorithms, we can be sure to only de-live once per period. Anvils are single de-living event devices for example.
Completely on point. I am an engineer. If I were to self inflict gunshots, I would 100% design a contraption that would shooot multiple times. Need to make sure.
Also need to hide this contraption while I am in the dying process. To make sure people know it was self inflicted.
The right thing to do would be to seize Boeing, take it away from its shareholders, hold and interrogate the major shareholders, and regardless of the outcome of interrogations the company should never return to the public. Either dismantle and sell every pathetic asset, or run it as a public company. This is a no-brainer, they should not be allowed to continue with business as usual even if no one is found guilty or no direct link is established.
I don’t know why Boeing would wait 6 or 7 years to kill him, right in the middle of his deposition, at the exact moment it would greatly intensify exposure of the story.
I hope people focus on the facts he was sharing-- that Boeing was taking safety shortcuts and ignoring clear risks to keep production deadlines–and what that means about possible risks to the millions of Americans that fly, not fall off into conspiracy land.
Pretty sure no one at the top of boeing cares about anything other than the next quarter, and that mentality is exactly the one that would panic and pull the trigger.
They didn’t kill him for 6 or 7 years because boeings weren’t falling apart in the air back then. Now that its in the news they knew his testimony would sink them, so they made a gamble.
Truly only Americans are at risk because of their actions, astute observation there
Only Americans are real people. Is there a community for quotes like this?
