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and we’re still trying to clean up the corruption this created… these are the same assholes who ended up giving us Trump…
This should be in politics or something not shitpost
Wait didn’t the original quote say they criminalized cocaine to target black communities? That’s why Reagan was having the stuff pushed into black neighborhoods right?
Because cocaine was not a widely distributed drug in the 60s. It was another 15 years before it was being moved in significant volume.
Because at the time, they weren’t focused on cocaine since it was a rich person’s drug. Reagan and the CIA creating the crack epidemic came after Nixon.
Crack cocaine and the whole cia contra thing was Reagan i think
While a lot of this (or all) may be true, I see it as the same crap that has MAGA where it’s at. Lots of conspiracy theories and conjecture about why the government is bad, but no real idea about what better is.
The difference is that this is verifiable, and the idea about what better is, is ending the war on drugs because it was blatantly wrong to begin with. It didn’t even have “good intentions,” and it does nothing but harm now.
MAGA is where it’s at because they hate for the sake of hate. There’s no “better” for them, unless it hurts others. They’ll “believe” whatever is convenient, because they just want to be angry, whether or not there is any truth to what they’re mad about.
There are mountains of difference, and to “both sides” every time the left points out a legitimately bad thing is sheer obfuscating nonsense.
But you see, you are doing EXACTLY what they do. “It’s verifiable,” but you haven’t verified, have you? Or else you’d know it’s not necessarily fact, it’s contentious.
Yet, here you are preaching.
Secondly, to paint your opponent in a simple, degrading way is where fascism starts. The next step is to remove them as humans. There are people if all sorts on that side, just as this one. They care about their community, kids, etc, just like the rest of us. Are they misguided due to years of propaganda? I think so, but there’s propaganda all over, including the “communism is the solution” stuff that floats around this place.
Your link corroborates the post. This isn’t a matter of both sides are the same. If you can’t tell how horrible an act this is, the lives that were destroyed by this, or you just don’t care, there is nothing that can help you understand.
I see it as the same crap that has MAGA where it’s at.
Objective truth didn’t get MAGA where they are, so you’re being silly here
Because this quote is objective truth, right? Of course it is.
It’s a quote from the guy who did these things admitting to the fact that he did them, yes.
Are you unfamiliar with who this is and that they said it? Cuz you can Google that
But a quote from an interview twenty year prior that can’t be substantiated anywhere else is gospel, huh? Come on man…
I am more likely to believe that a piece of shit who was known for being a racist piece of shit did racist piece of shit things than I am to believe he didn’t. Especially when basically only his family is saying he didn’t say it.
On the great scale of “likely” to “unlikely” it leans more toward likely by far. Also, like I’m going to give that POS any benefit of the doubt. Whether or not he actually said it: he said it with his actions. May his memory tarnish more each time we think of it
Heroin isn’t gentle, nice or not a big deal. They may have lied about who had it but not about it being awful.
There have been a handful of good studies on the harms of drugs over the years, and they all published the same conclusion: The recreational drugs that are most harmful (both to society and to the user) are heroin, meth, and alcohol.
Just like heroin, alcohol is not gentle, nice, or not a big deal.
Why do you think one is socially encouraged and the other two are demonized?
The prohibition model was a failure for alchohol, and it’s a failure for heroin and meth too.
Alcohol should definitely be illegal. Prohibition was poorly implemented, but definitely correct in ideology
It’s literally impossible to stop people from having alcohol.
Prohibition creates a black market, which in turn creates cartels, violence, unregulated and sometimes tainted product, it eliminates tax revenue, bolsters an oppressive police force, etc etc.
I believe the best model to deal with these hard drugs is legalization with heavy regulation.
Legalization with regulation, education, and free accessible healthcare including mental health.
It decreases overall usage of all drugs and the decreases the crime rate. Addressing the reason people take drugs seems to work better than punishing them for using them. Go figure.
ideologies belong in the home and the church, not in my government
Lmao
Every government functions under an ideology. Capitalism is an ideology, democracy is an ideology, socialism, anarchism, liberalism, conservativism, they’re all ideologies. An ideology is just a set of ideals.
wrong… governments are how we settle differences practically… ideologies exist only in our minds…
Reread what I wrote. Every government functions under an ideology. Governments do not exist in a vacuum, they are a collection of people, and those people have a more or less unified set of ideals on how their society should function. Yes, ideologies exist only in the mind, but governments are a physical manifestations of that mental construct. Even when there is a major disagreement within a government, such as the division in the US currently, it’s still a difference of degrees. No one in the the US government is outside of capitalism, even so-called socialists like Bernie Sanders. The US government functions under the ideology of capitalism. The Cuban government functions under the ideology of socialism. Even if you argue that Cuba isn’t actually socialist, they still function under the ideology of socialism. Governments exist because of those mental constructs.
If a measure is ideologically correct but causes immensely more suffering in its implementation than allowing the “bad” thing to exist, then the ideology is shit.
The CIA was smuggling heroin into the US to pay for illegal activities overseas. Nixon could have stopped it. He didn’t.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking_allegations
There’s is a difference between advising against unhealthy behavior and punishing heavily for it.
Nobody is saying it isn’t. But if you genuinely care about the harm it causes and don’t just want an excuse to throw political enemies in jail, then the solution is obviously not to criminalize its use. The correct thing to do is to provide social and health services to addicted people to get them off of it.
All criminalization does is ruin the lives of the people it targets and enrich the prison industry.
Lying about heroin use in other to raid a person’s home, seize their personal effects, and jail them indefinitely has done nothing to reduce harm of heroin addiction.
Also…
Throughout its three decades in Afghanistan, Washington’s military operations have succeeded only when they fit reasonably comfortably into central Asia’s illicit traffic in opium – and suffered when they failed to complement it.
Criminalization hasn’t made the problem any better.
So many people don’t really get the difference between criminalization and legalization when you discuss things like this.
Actually I’d kinda disagree there, in the case of heroin, the sheer scope of negative impacts made it so that criminalizing it didn’t have the same effect that prohibition normally would.
Alcohol and Pot use may have skyrocketed, but heroin is only sustained as a black market item by the opiate and fentanyl crisis.
It’s a lot harder to say “that’s just what the man wants you to think” when you see advertisements for free kits and training to save people having an overdose that’s all but guaranteed to be lethal either from severity or from exposure to the elements if they wander out.
That being said, we’ve reached the point of diminishing returns on getting people to not start using it and as a result the criminalization has gone from getting people to take it seriously to having a hostile architecture effect on current addicts who still need help to get out before this extremely dangerous thing finally manages to kill them.
Criminalizing drugs has only ever been harmful. The people using these drugs aren’t criminals, they’re victims. They need treatment, not jail. What fucking monster thinks that someone who has fallen to an incredibly addictive substance needs incarceration, not treatment? You think someone who got caught with a needle in their arms deserves the same treatment as a murderer? People have lifetime sentences for possession of heroin and rapists get a couple years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ehrlichman#Drug_war_quote
the war on drugs is fucked up and nixon was a terrible person, but the veracity of the quote is in question
