It was a many months transition, and it’s finally done

Fun thing, you can actually make a backup of all* your messages, groups, contacts, etc. So before leaving you can have all of your data in case you need that one contact or something

The final red flag was as that allegedly Russian authorities were messing with people’s deleted messages. Not for the first time there are news that they could read, modify, delete, see location, and etc. Screw it, this is unsafe, I’m out.

Also, these days telegram is really at the state of a pile of garbage, bloated, buggy, and shady messenger.

    • kratoz29@lemm.eeEnglish
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      4 months ago

      But whatsapp is still a better second messenger than telegram.

      You didn’t mean that.

          • Anamana@feddit.de
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            4 months ago

            Almost no one uses telegram e2e, because it’s not automatically activated. Also group chats are not e2e.

            I still like to use telegram tho.

            Also doesn’t Whatsapp just use the signal protocol for e2e?

            • pipariturbiini@sopuli.xyz
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              4 months ago

              Also Telegram’s E2EE chats don’t work on desktop apparently, and you are not able to see message contents in the notification (which is a plus or minus depending on you)

              Asked a friend earlier today if we could use secret chat. He declined because he mostly chats on desktop, and apparently wants to see messages from notifications while driving.

          • Natanael@slrpnk.net
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            4 months ago

            Whatsapp is built on the Signal E2EE protocol, Telegram has a terrible homebrew encryption protocol with a ton of weirdness and it has had a long history of weaknesses which they lied aggressively about

    • Gooey0210@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      4 months ago

      I didn’t use WhatsApp for the last like 3 years already

      I have already got rid of the Sim card, but want to setup some sip Sim cards at home for package delivery and work

      So like, using WhatsApp is pretty pointless at this point

    • Yamayo@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      Stop it with the creative commons link in your comments.

      Also, there is nothing wrong with Telegram logins or new accounts.

        • Yamayo@lemmy.world
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          4 months ago

          I get notifications of new contacts that join Telegram so it does. I don’t need to try it myself.

          And I don’t understand your cc link and your down votes speak for themselves so stop the silliness.

          • onlinepersona@programming.devEnglish
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            4 months ago

            And I don’t understand your cc link and your down votes speak for themselves so stop the silliness.

            Do you fear what you don’t understand? “I don’t understand it, so stop”.

            And I don’t care about downvotes. Go on, downvote. It has no real life effect.

            CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

  • trippingonthewire@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    I deleted telegram long ago, but not my account, just the apps.

    As of recent, I wanted to log back in and actually delete my phone number from there, so there’s no more association.

    I can’t login. I download the app, and it sends a verification code through Telegram and won’t do SMS, but I’m not logged in at all so I can’t get the code.

    I’m stuck there. I contacted support and they’re yet to respond. :p

  • scratchandgame@lemmy.mlTiếng Việt
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    4 months ago

    Also, these days telegram is really at the state of a pile of garbage, bloated, buggy, and shady messenger.

    Every messenger is.

  • yamanii@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    The final red flag was as that allegedly Russian authorities were messing with people’s deleted messages

    I’m gonna need a source on that, since the creator himself was persecuted and telegram had layers of fake companies to stop Putin from getting to it.

    • SevenOfWine@startrek.website
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      4 months ago

      Here’s what I found:

      Over the past year, numerous dissidents across Russia have found their Telegram accounts seemingly monitored or compromised. Hundreds have had their Telegram activity wielded against them in criminal cases. Perhaps most disturbingly, some activists have found their “secret chats”—Telegram’s purportedly ironclad, end-to-end encrypted feature—behaving strangely, in ways that suggest an unwelcome third party might be eavesdropping. These cases have set off a swirl of conspiracy theories, paranoia, and speculation among dissidents, whose trust in Telegram has plummeted. In many cases, it’s impossible to tell what’s really happening to people’s accounts—whether spyware or Kremlin informants have been used to break in, through no particular fault of the company; whether Telegram really is cooperating with Moscow; or whether it’s such an inherently unsafe platform that the latter is merely what appears to be going on. … Elies Campo, who says he directed Telegram’s growth, business, and partnerships for several years, confirmed this general characterization to WIRED, as did a former Telegram developer. In other words, Telegram has the capacity to share nearly any confidential information a government requests. Users just have to trust that it won’t.

      https://www.wired.com/story/the-kremlin-has-entered-the-chat/

  • Safipok@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    So what do you use to send, receive and store 2GB ish files to other people?

    • Gooey0210@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      4 months ago

      Depends what people

      For family and friends I have nextcloud, many of them are using it (yes, i’m that one out of a million people who made their friends and family use selfhosted stuff and be happy)

  • airikr@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    I must agree on the bloated part. Telegram was awesome before Pavel got greedy and added more and more stuff that are just not related to any chat service, for an example payments and crypto.

    I installed Snikket on my server few weeks ago and are now trying to move everyone to it. It seems to be a very slow process, though.

    But I might keep Telegram only for the porn channels. Mighty good stuff!

    By the way. Do you have the source for your claim that Russian authorities were messing with people’s deleted messages?

    • Gooey0210@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      4 months ago

      Oh, yeah, the porn channels are really good indeed

      I’m thinking if I can access them from some telegram channel mirror

      • airikr@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        4 months ago

        Well, Telegram already have a preview feature for every public channels. Just copy the direct link to the channel and add /s after t.me/ (or choose “Previous channel” without opening the link in Telegram) and you’re good to go. If only Pavel will add an RSS feed to that feed. That would be mighty-mighty awesome!

        More work to save the media files, though. You have to inspect the element and get the direct link to the image through background-image for the tgme_widget_message_photo_wrap class. Much easier and takes less time to just save it inside Telegram, as of now.

  • Clot@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    I never got with these russian authority claims. Telegram is not based in russia, sure its founders are born in russia but they have taken citizenship of France for a long time now, its based in saudi arabia. I never saw a single proof of them giving data to russian authorities, they were banned in russia for that iirc but eventually got unbanned due to mass adoption. At this point these russian claims just seem racism to me.

    • Gooey0210@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      4 months ago
      1. I never said that telegram collaborates with Russia (I don’t know if they really do, but tg is pretty insecure, and Russian govt is happy to crack it)
      2. They were banned in Russia until they realized why would they ban it if they can read it (unbanning of something in Russia is another sign of something shady going on)
      3. I’m Russian myself, so your gaslighting won’t work, also are you Russian or Slavic too? 🤣
      • Clot@lemm.ee
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        4 months ago
        1. Show me the proof, don’t talk on hunches
        2. They really didn’t care, they are banned in Iran too which is their 3rd biggest market. They got unbanned because Russia failed to unban it, there are no cases known yet in which telegram handed over users data to Russian authorities https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN23P2DY/
        3. I am not Russian
    • lorty@lemmy.ml
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      4 months ago

      It’s the usual foreign fearmongering. It’s never phrased this way if the subject is a western company (even though we know they cooperate with the US government).

      • jol@discuss.tchncs.de
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        4 months ago

        Specially since we know for a fact that Meta hands over any and all information the US government wants from all their apps.

    • ritchie@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      It is not considered a good alternative as a messaging app for privacy folks and because the source code is not open, it is not E2E encrypted by default (you need to start a secret chat or something to make your conversation encrypted) if I remember correctly.

      • ris@feddit.de
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        4 months ago

        You remember incorrect. All Clients are open source:

        Telegram apps are open source and support reproducible builds. Anyone can independently verify that Telegram apps you download from App Store or Google Play were built using the exact same code that we publish

        In Fdroid there are also forks. But yes, their servers are closed source and centralized.

        Still its not recommended. It requires Phone number and as you said its E2ee is not on by default and is not soooo good.

  • LordKitsuna@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Gonna have to disagree. Telegram is the ONLY chat app with ACTUALLY NATIVE code clients on desktop and mobile. Its the only one that isn’t website in a box trash that’s slow heavy and buggy. I use discord mostly because it’s where everyone is but i fucking hate everything about it and wish people would use telegram.

    If you think other chat apps don’t read/process metadata from your dms and such your an idiot. Nothing is safe short of self hosted matrix with full E2E encryption or similar and ain’t nobody doing that.

    • Im_old@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      Nothing is safe short of self hosted matrix with full E2E encryption or similar and ain’t nobody doing that.

      Well, I’m doing that. But I’m nobody, so I guess your point still stands 😅

      But also, I don’t judge the chats mainly by their client, but the protocol. Telegram is not open and so can’t be audited properly, that’s my concern.

    • LWD@lemm.ee
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      4 months ago

      At least Matrix lets you encrypt data. Telegram is hostile to that.

      And no, taking your most personal data in a decrypted state for no good reason and promising to keep it encrypted is not the same thing. If anything, it’s worse