I’m just happy we federate with other Lemmy instances
It ain’t much but it’s honest federation
Certainly, long life Lemmy.
We do have kbin at least
I am underwhelmed by the microblog half of things since that format still boring. Never got twitter either. Still cool to have around if the lemmy stuff drys up for the day.
Perhaps you think you’re being treated unfairly
Pray we don’t defederate any further
I still don’t get this; who wants to log onto twitter and see reddit? Or log onto reddit and see twitter?
As somebody who never understood the appeal of twitter, I’m glad my Lemmy isn’t clogged up with a bunch of Mastadon content, personally
edit: the likelihood that I’m missing some salient point here is high, so genuinely please educate me on what I’m not understanding
The point you’re missing is that it isn’t about integrating significantly different platforms like lemmy and mastodon, but rather connecting platforms that are close enough.
Mastodon federates with misskey, firefish, iceshrimp, sharkey, (all extremely featured and very similar to mastodon), writefreely (more for blogging and writing but absolutely connects), some wordpress websites (there’s a plugin), peertube (you can follow channels to see when videos are posted), friendica and who knows how many tiny custom instances.
This allows massive customisation of your experience.
Anyway, interop is more of a happy side-effect of using a common federation protocol
It’s about connecting with the maximum of people. You like how lemmy look but other people are used to how Twitter look and will choose Mastodon instead, but in the end what matters is that we can all talk to each other no matter our personal social media preferences.
Mastodon is quite a bit bigger than Lemmy and if you make it easy to interact here some of the Mastodon users might decide to join Lemmy too. I’m kind of in the opposite situation, I’m on here and I don’t have a Mastodon, but if I could see more of Mastodon from Lemmy I might decide I’m interested enough in that content to make a Mastodon account. But I never really got into Twitter, even if some form of a character limit would help improve my writing.
For me, this is the opposite situation. I like long texts that detail other aspects in a topic, the writer’s intent, references, lists, etc. that make discussion matter more and hit its core aim rather than having a limited space where you can only vent your emotions in a few words or just simply talk about something in a limited, headline-esque urgency.
I think the character limit was increased a bit over the years but the short text culture persisted, even if some people try to use chain comments as a way of posting long discussion texts. The platform simply goads people into that style, which is antithetical to meaningful discussion.
That is, overall, my view of the character limit situation too, that the character limit forces nuance to be lost and contributed to some of the issues Twitter had pre-Elon (Elon’s influence on Twitter culture has been far more harmful though). More what I meant is that I’m a novelist as a hobby and I’m sometimes too verbose in my writing. An artificial character limit might help me practice writing tight, punchy sentences.
I also tend to be a bit long winded. I enjoy using a diverse diction and try to maintain some grammatical consistency. Neither of those things are well expressed on short-text platforms. Like even this comment feels too long for Twitter or Mastodon.
Personally I’d sometimes appreciate it, especially from Lemmy to Mastodon. Sometimes I find something interresting or useful on Lemmy and I’d love to just boost it on my Mastodon. The way it’s now is that I post the link to Lemmy post on my Mastodon and this isn’t nice, f.e. now I have two comment sections (one on Lemmy, one on Mastodon) and if people on Mastodon want to join Lemmy discussion, they need to have Lemmy account.
Also the other way arround (from Mastodon to Lemmy) - sometimes I see screenshots of Mastodon messages. It shouldn’t be like that, we should share the original post directly in Lemmy which would credit the author and we could join discussion
The screenshot shows Mastodon falling back to their “I don’t know your format, this is the best I can come up with” rendering. There are Mastodon forks that would show the post just fine.
This is a Mastodon issue and I believe it may actually be worked on. Lemmy isn’t doing anything wrong here.
The core similarity of all these platforms is content aggregation. The differences come down to how that content is served, categorized, and interacted with. Federation ideally distributes content to relevant communities, based on interest, regardless of platform preference.
Edit: Also, people you don’t like will be on every site. We have tools to democratically tell those people we don’t like their ideas, so using them will make every platform better.
Greetings from kbin!
Out of curiosity, do you use the more mastadon-like microblogging features of kbin? Having almost exclusively used lemmy through a third party app (Sync), I’m curious how well the two kinds of content mesh.
I haven’t used the microblogging features, I came from Reddit and mainly wanted to have the same experience. That said, it’s as easy as switching between threads and microblog in the sidebar
mbin has the microblog. come to the dark side
Does it have better features or interface for it than kbin? I’ve tried using microblogs on kbin but I find it sorta confusing.
I saw they have an app, so that’s something. Looking more closely it appears to be for kbin and mbin
its pretty subjective. i like the mbin interface better in general, but i think the microblog could be …better managed. realistically the product is still in early stages.
the beauty is, it is actively being worked on by a small community always looking for more devs. i hear a new version is about to drop.
You can use Lemmy to comment on Peertube videos, which I think is nice
There’s kbin, but even without that, it’s nice to know that a new app can come along and straight away join in the existing “ecosystem” with all its content and users.
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Uhm… lemmy federates with kbin and a few others, but it also federates with mastodon and all the -key derivatives afaik
I mean, it does not really work, the two services are different in key ways. How would you integrate Twitter-like posts into a Reddit-like community-based site?
idk, maybe like a server for “-key”-derivates with a community for each individual derivate?
Some of these derivates will be hugh, but reddit-like sites can already deal with communities of vastly different sizes, so whatever i guess.
It works, not seamlessly but close. Any community is considered to be an account, with any posts made to it considered to be a “tweet”. Any comments are replies to the post. A microblog account can post to a community by @ ing it, and reply to comments and posts by… replying to the post.
From lemmy to microfedi doesn’t work as well, but you can reply to posts as normal and like by upvoting.
I feel like people really get too caught up in the interoperability promise of AP. Like yeah, it’d be neat to use my Mastodon account to make comments on PeerTube videos or Pixelfed images without needing to log into yet another server. But a better solution for that would be federated identity servers.
The real joy of AP federation is that there are dozens (hundreds?) of Mastodon servers; so you can build smaller communities with their own rules and moderation, while still allowing those communities to interconnect.
It’s true here of course too, there’s several popular communities outside the ones on Lemmyworld. So serious answer to the silly question posed in the comic: what can lemmy federated with? Other lemmy instances, also kbin instances.
There’s also the joy of open APIs. I can easily write my own application to interface with the services should the desire or need arise. Nobody can suddenly start charging me a fee to access the network or force me to go through their app or server.
IMO it makes sense to federate with similar platforms. Mastodon and Firefish, for example. Or Lemmy and Kbin. But there is no point in federating mastodon with Lemmy. The format is so different anyway.
The Fediverse is not one single platform and IMO that is fine.
TLDR anything except the FAANG.
Federating with news sites is a direction to consider. Think about “comments” from the page being the mirror of a lemmy post.
I don’t even know what the point of having a decentralized platform is if everyone defederates from each other and congregates in a few instances anyway.
Like you stick Timmy the MAGA nut and Bobby the tankie in the same community and somehow they’ll all just get along because it’s not Reddit.
I think the only upside is you don’t need to create as many accounts to engage with multiple communities across the verse, atleast until heavy moderation kicks in preventing this in the future.
For the exact reason so many of us had come here with recent rules changes that reddit have adopted.
Here on lemmy it would be relatively painless to move to a new instance if lemmy.world suddenly decided to ban the capital letter B. But if Spez thought it might increase his IPO, there wouldn’t be much you can do about it.
