Frozen embryos are “children,” according to Alabama’s Supreme Court::IVF often produces more embryos than are needed or used.
In the Alabama case, a hospital patient wandered through an unlocked door, removed frozen, preserved embryos from subzero storage and, suffering an ice burn, dropped the embryos, destroying them. Affected IVF patients filed wrongful-death lawsuits against the IVF clinic under the state’s Wrongful Death of a Minor Act. The case was initially dismissed in a lower court, which ruled the embryos did not meet the definition of a child. But the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that “it applies to all children, born and unborn, without limitation.” In a concurring opinion, Chief Justice Tom Parker cited his religious beliefs and quoted the Bible to support the stance.
absolutely wild case
Why the fuck is he allowed to quote the Bible to support his stance.
Ffs America
It’s as though they took “The Handmaid’s Tale” as a blueprint.
Thus every unfertilized menstruation is a death
Every fap is a murder of millions
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Alabama? More like Talibana, a’ight? Being ruled by religious extremists - in the 21st (ce) century - blows my mind. Are people still that backwards? Apparently, yes. Nothing wrong with a bit of private faith in the sky man if it helps you in life… but to be a fundamentalist is unforgivable.
Yes, and I’m the Queen of France
Every woman with a frozen embryo.
Get those child tax credits.
Don’t have frozen embryos? Freeze some
Get those child tax credits
That is not legal. They have made embryos children when looking for people to put in jail, and not children when looking to give out benefits. Very convenient for the state budget!
Does this mean I can claim my sperm as a dependent on my taxes?
“What’s all this stuff in the freezer!?!”
“Sperm.”
Women of America. Get a freezer. Freeze your eggs and transport them home. On all future taxes claim them as dependents in perpetuity. Fuck these asshats. Game the system and make bank!
Someone think of the embryos!
So… all acorns are trees.
Does this mean cops are gonna start shooting trees now?
Oh god. I know people that do this already and call it “target practice”.
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Right, so pregnant or nursing once you’re menstruating! Otherwise you’re an illegal woman, not fulfilling your biblical purpose. Got it. This will be fun.
I recently read Neil Stephenson’s book called “Fall”, in which a significant chunk of the novel is set about 30 years in the future. At that point in time, large swathes of America are referred to as “Ameristan”, because they are break-away territories ruled by evangelical warlords. It feels surprisingly prescient.
I think about the Ameristan stuff and people being “facebooked” all the time since reading that book. In the time since I read it I feel like we just keep getting closer and closer to that reality.
Neil Stephenson is a high effort author to read but the payoff more than makes up for it. I have yet to convince anyone else to read Snow Crash 😔
Even my dad couldn’t convince me to read snowcrash😅 but maybe I’ll find it as an ebook
It took me like 4 attempts and 100 pages before I was able to get into it but it dramatically changed my understanding of reality
Snow Crash is awesome
We here in bama have been preferring the term Talibama.
Y’all Qaeda is also acceptable.
More like the author read the writing on the wall for the past 50 years.
In a concurring opinion, Chief Justice Tom Parker cited his religious beliefs and quoted the Bible to support the stance.
“Human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God, who views the destruction of His image as an affront to Himself,” Parker wrote. “Even before birth, all human beings bear the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory.”
wtf
Ironic that he quoted the Bible since the Bible is okay with abortion.
Also the very heavy and intentional use of pronouns.
The Bible doesn’t really say anything about abortion. The most convincing thing I’ve seen is that it values the life of a mother over that a fetus, but it doesn’t say abortion is okay. Unless I’m missing something.
Not that it matters what this book says, I just don’t think it helps at all to misrepresent it.
It literally gives you a recipe for one
At least the other poster offered up what is effectively a completely made up verse.
“effectively made up verse” LOL
Ah ok, so are you the arbiter of which stories in the Bible are literal, and which aren’t? Because that story seemed very fucking literal.
Anyway, this can’t be the first time you’ve encountered a contradiction in the text of your holy book (assuming you’ve even read it), so I’m sure you’ve already got some pretty effective ways of ignoring the cognitive dissonance inherent in your worldview… So go ahead and have fun with that I guess.
Numbers 5:11-22
If your wife is unfaithful, she should go to the priest and get a concoction to abort the pregnancy conceived with another man.
It does not say or imply that at all. Maybe in some translations/adaptations, but not in most of them.
20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
It doesn’t imply that at all? Please feel free to let me know what this passage is really about.
I’m guessing this is the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible. Which is not a consensus at all.
I’m not sure if you’re aware, but the Old Testament is written mostly in Hebrew and each passage has had thousands of interpretations and translations over time.
My does not say this at all was too strong in light of the different versions, but you can make the Bible say a lot of things.
Look at other translations, including in languages other than English and you’ll see that the “miscarry” is pretty unique to the NIV.
You can check out the Wikipedia article on this passage to get an idea as to how complicated it is.
The punishment section of the Hebrew version suggests many interpretations where words are euphemisms for things related to abortions. Her thigh might refer to her sexual organs, the curse an abortificent, etc. I think those meanings still exist in other translations.
It always strikes me as interesting that if the Bible truly was divinely inspired that there really should only be one translation and one interpretation. It should be incredibly clear and concise to everyone.
Does Alabama not do the whole “separation of church and state” thing? Lol
No the religious zealots here do not. School coaches require prayer before practices and games, same sex couples get banned from prom, kids at school get tricked into going to fun after school events that turn out to actually be evangelism stunts. A lot of applications to educational programs, gymnastics programs, and jobs ask about “leadership” which is code for experience as a church deacon or active evangelist.
The USA has never done seperation of church and state.
If we did, half the govt would be arrested for extremism and most churches would be terrorist organizations.
The biggest surprise to me is that Alabama has a Supreme Court.
Sing it with me…
🎵 Every sperm is… 🎵
🎶 sacred, every sperm is great… 🎶
🎶 If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate. 🎶
We did it Lemmy
I heard this somewhere: “You’re in an IVF clinic. It’s on fire and you enter a burning room. On a table is a large cooler with 5 thousand fertilized eggs, and there’s also a crying, injured five-year-old girl in the room. Which one do you save? You can only save one.”
Christians are such fucking idiots.
Excuse me but I’ve never met a xtian that fucking intelligent.
And muslims are even worse
Muslims don’t believe that life starts at conception. So no, on this topic they are not as idiotic as Christians.
No, they just believe in violence and rioting (https://lemmy.world/comment/7736288). Hating jews, and no rights for women. Name one stable and free majority muslim country.
Albania? Kosovo? Indonesia?
Yeah, those are not that stable. Beats the Middle East though.
Turkey and Kazakhstan. And this is just racist bs. Not all Muslims hate Jews or have regressive views. Not to mention this is all off topic, it’s Christians who are trying to destroy women’s rights in America not Muslims
Turkey is a hybrid regime, scoring rather low on the democracy index, with aggressive retoric towards Greece, Cyprus and Armenia. Making unreasonable demands towards Sweden in return for NATO membership. Non-muslims are discriminated against, and they’re turning churches into mosques. I expected Turkey to be proposed, but Turkey is not a good example, even though it’s “less bad” than other options.
Maybe christians are the problem in America, but in most west European countries, muslims are the ones causing issues.
Kazakhstan: Not great either
Turkey isn’t much worse than countries like Hungary or Poland when it comes to democracy.
Also I like how you ignored the rest of my comment. But not surprised
Setting the bar low with Orbanistan I see (which is still more democratic than Turkey btw).
Poland isn’t doing any worse than USA, and is straight up silly comparing it to Turkey, especially after their last election, replacing the PiS Prime Minister.
I don’t recall anyone asking who is worse.
