Can you imagine installing Windows and having to install 10 seperate programs just to fix all the issues with it?
Truly the Bethesda of operating systems.
Every day with Windows is like this. It’s a fucking nightmare. I don’t know what else to do.
Install linux :)
I tried installing Linux on the new work laptop yesterday.
The keyboard wasn’t recognised. The fucking keyboard.
Apparently it’s fixed in kernel 6.6 but nothing has that yet coz they’re all using the earlier LTS
i didn’t even have to scroll to find the first instance of this comment
Truly Truly, I say unto you, install Linux; it’s what you really must do.
I have a few games that don’t run on Steam. How big of a pain is it to get them running?
This is like 50-70% of my PC usage.
Fairly easy with something like lutris or the heroic game launcher if said games are on gig amazon gaming or epic
No, they have their own launchers.
You can search on e.g. Lutris if the game is supported. It’s usually just a one button install
Thanks. Looks like it’s all Wine wrappers. 🫤
It is not uncommon to find “Wine wrappers” to actually work better than on Windows itself.
Right, right. Smh
Onenote, publisher, CAD. Excel (and don’t give me open/libre can do it, no they can’t. They are marginally compatible).
And a laundry list more of the issues trying to replace windows with Linux on the desktop.
If you work by yourself and don’t share docs, yea, could probably work. I need to trust that what I send is what people see.
Try to open an excel workbook with tables on open/libre and see what happens.
It’s good that these tools exist, but it’s so frustrating that it’s a constant cat and mouse game of Microsoft trying to make their products as cumbersome and shit as possible and the community trying to salvage Windows to the best of their ability.
At what point do OEMs just say actually nah, I’m tired of you making our laptops frustrating to use?
At what point do they say fuck it I’m going the Valve route and moving away from a company that wants to undermine me?
it’s a constant cat and mouse game
It’s not just Microsoft. Never heard of always on DRM? Or government making it difficult for people to receive assistance (disability or homeless)?
At what point do OEMs just say actually nah, I’m tired of you making our laptops frustrating to use?
LTT put out an (surprisingly insightful) video about ChromeOS and how it’s kind of secretly spreading Linux. I don’t think its crazy to say that in 5-10 years ChromeOS or similar will be the default and Windows will be a premium add on or something.
“premium”
lol honestly maybe competition will force them to reverse the ehittification of their product
I doubt it. Google will squander it away one way or another. It could work on a technical level, I’ve been using flex since before Google bought it for family members, it’s just poorly advertised and explained.
It’s google, they’ll just stop working on it.
uhh they will include copilot key in keyboard in new laptops…
Very useful, just like my dedicated Cortana key. 🤡
The people who use tools like this are in the minority. The majority (probably the vast majority) of people use Windows as it is out of the box.
The number for people I have seen with search box still enabled in taskbar tells me that’s true.
Yeah right‽ Why do people keep the full search box enabled? It takes up so much space. I usually switch to the search button.
I even see quite a lot of people in IT (not talking about tech or devs) that keep it enabled.
I think it’s one of those things that just becomes mentally invisible after a while. Like Microsoft slowly just drops in a new bar here, a stock ticker there, and there’s a point where a majority of folks are like “…Was that always there?” and don’t bother hunting for a way to turn it off like we do lol.
Everyone. Everywhere.
It blows my mind, but then I realise that we here on Lemmy are the 1% of IT users.
Yes, I know.
View using their PC as a chore anyway, and so power through the annoyances
Damn, good one.
At what point do OEMs just say actually nah, I’m tired of you making our laptops frustrating to use?
You’re under the impression that most people care about the horrible parts of windows?
I think they do.
Enough to do much about it, other than maybe buy a MacBook if they have money to burn? Nah.
But enough to use their PC less and try to do as much as possible on their phone/iPad? Honestly, yeah, I think so.
I hear normies complaining about stuff in Windows all the time. It’s just when you go “well you could…” they turn off and don’t want to do anything about it.
To be fair, Window$ has been bloat since the very day M$ stole it from its Unix roots, and Linux is everything that the OS could’ve been were it not run by money-grubbin’ cringelords.
Unix roots? Lol wtf
Tell me you’re stupid young without saying so directly. 🤦🏼♂️
Sounds like an ageist to me. As far as I knew, Microsoft’s first product was msdos but I guess I’m just too unintelligent and “young” (lol) to know better
Why wtf?
Microsoft started as a UNIX-based programming company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix
Hell you see remnants of it in the reserved filename list.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/naming-a-file?redirectedfrom=MSDN
Devices in windows are not typically “files” like they are in unix/linux… So why CON, PRN, AUX, NUL, COM0, COM1, COM2, COM3, COM4, COM5, COM6, COM7, COM8, COM9, COM¹, COM², COM³, LPT0, LPT1, LPT2, LPT3, LPT4, LPT5, LPT6, LPT7, LPT8, LPT9, LPT¹, LPT², and LPT³ are all reserved? Because they maintained compatibility with features businesses used at the time… and never deprecated the function.
Hmm, I always thought MS was founded to steal/modify MS DOS. Interesting that they briefly did Unix stuff, but I still take issue with the way op phrased it. “Their Unix roots” makes it sound like they were heavily invested in Unix and carried that forward even into windows. I don’t know if they used any of that code in windows, but if they did you’d never know it by using dos or any windows version I’ve seen. Even despite both having command line interfaces, almost everything is different from Unix except the command “cd”, to my recollection.
“Started as”
Yeah, no. Yes Xenix was a thing but it would be incorrect to say that it ever was their main product.
I don’t think anyone has ever hinted on that NT has a unix code base except for some “borrowed” networking code from bsd.
it would be incorrect to say that it ever was their main product.
They made several full versions of it… It was not simply a one off product.
While Xenix 2.0 was still based on Version 7 Unix,[30] version 3.0 was upgraded to a Unix System III code base,[12]: 9 [31][32] a 1984 Intel manual for Xenix 286 noted that the Xenix kernel had about 10,000 lines at this time.[10]: 1–7 It was followed by a System V R2 codebase in Xenix 5.0 (a.k.a. Xenix System V).[33]
Also,
Microsoft’s Chris Larson described MS-DOS 2.0’s Xenix compatibility as “the second most important feature”.[38] His company advertised DOS and Xenix together, describing MS-DOS 2.0 (its “single-user OS”) as sharing features and system calls with Xenix (“the multi-user, multi-tasking, Unix-derived operating system”), and promising easy porting between them.[39]
So they were simultaneously created AND interoperable (from a program development perspective). This was a full fledged item.
Edit: to elaborate a little better. If they were simultaneously developed… and interoperable. And one item is Unix-based outright. Then it’s safe to say that the other item (MS-DOS) in this case is also pretty steeped in Unix roots.
go to linux alreadiii
What’s slowing down Linux adoption?
Is it the monopoly Microsoft has on all PC hardware and strong relationships it has with desktop software partners that make leaving windows near impossible?
No, it must be the users.
/s insert principal Skinner meme
Commercial support for it.
On a personal level, I installed Ubuntu for the first time in over a decade and found the experience worse. Previously I could download everything I needed either through the package manager or deb file easily. Ow I ran into a new flat pack type installer that has failing dependencies that weren’t found through command line either. The new mouse driver in gnome was hot garbage too with the touchpad sensitivity so high I couldn’t scroll more than a page and a half at even the lightest touch. No settings to change it either. Windows is far easier at this point.
Nothing near the level of Adobe software for example.
Gaming
I forgot what 2008 was like. Thanks for the reminder
I game on Linux all the time. I’ve been playing apex legends, phasmophobia (VR), palworld, the finals, and so much more. It all works on Linux. There’s not a lot of games that I can’t play. Most of the time my sister, who’s on Windows, has more trouble getting her games running.
Gaming on Linux is ridiculously easy. And for some, easier than on Windows.
Sorry but will games like GTA V, Forza Horizon 5, Doom eternal, Horizon Zero Dawn,Cocoon and all run on linux ?
From: protondb.com
GTA V - Gold; seems to be playable for most people, with a few performance hiccups depending on your system.
Forza Horizon 5 - Silver; requires significant tinkering, but playable.
Doom Eternal - Gold; works well for most, but has some reported performance issues on some systems.
Horizon Zero Dawn - Gold
Cocoon - Platinum
Single player experiences like these aren’t typically where you find problems with linux gaming, however. Games with accompanying anti-cheat software, like competitive shooters, fighters, etc. are typically problematic. Competitive titles are the only reason I have a windows partition at this point.
Gaming on linux is more viable than ever, and becoming more and more stable all the time - mostly thanks to Valve. That being said, your experience will be dependent largely on your hardware. There are known issues with Nvidia cards on linux, because Nvidia refuses to cooperate with the FOSS community, but even those issues seem to be easing up (although to be fair I don’t follow this topic closely, as I have an AMD system). Anyone telling you there are no issues is lying to you, but so is anyone who tries to tell you that linux gaming is still borked. Do your research if you’re interested in switching, and determine if the games you play are well supported or not. In the end if there is one game holding you back from switching and you want to switch, it’s always an option to keep a windows partition around as a backup for games that don’t play nice with linux.
I am not sure if jest, but you could always take a few seconds at protondb to see that yes, all of those games do in fact run on Linux. Forza in particular seems to have issues for some users, but everything else works with minimal hassle.
Yes. Check yourself :). https://www.protondb.com/
Not all will run out of the box. Some require tweaks, some won’t run as good as on windows. But many games will run day one nowadays .
I’ve not heard of Cocoon, but the rest of them I own and yes.
Open steam, press play, game is running.
These types of comments are annoying and super unhelpful.
Nice job /s
Sigh.
Sure.
Now how do you: CAD, exchange, Publisher, Access, Excel (no, open versions of excel still don’t come close, they can’t even do tables), Onenote/SharePoint, etc, etc.
And Linux is as messed up in its own way. Power management is off by default, so it kills your laptop battery (at least on every version I’ve tested). Notifications that you can’t silence without looking up a command line.
No, the learning curve is still too steep to recommend to people who I will have to support.
And while the Open/Libre office apps are “compatible”, people don’t have time to waste dealing with the ways they whack a document. Libre couldn’t even properly display the spreadsheet I use to setup a new machine, with 3 sheets and a few hundred lines, because tables.
“Switch to Linux” is a simplistic answer that doesn’t address the needs of users. And I use Linux every day, as a serverOS, running VM’s and docker.
Just as a minor correction - Librecalc can do tables. Why they didn’t call it tables and bind it to CTRL&T is beyond me though. link
select the cells -> Data -> AutoFilter
I create them with CTRL&T through the custom shortcuts in options. They work about the same as Excel.
Librecalc is a little rough, but I’m actually starting to find it superior in functionality and customization compared to MS. And it’s about 10x faster on very large spreadsheets for me.
I would also definitely recommend using use dark mode if you’re going to use calc. Options -> Application Colors -> LibreOffice Dark
What learning curve? Whether my mom clicks on the Firefox icon in Ubuntu or Windows makes zero difference
Dude literally just explained the issues facing actual workers that use computers for productive activities, not your mother looking up cookie recipes.
What’s for dinner tonight, I wonder
Joe Mama
They “can’t even do tables”!!!
They hated him for he spoke the truth…
“Switch to Linux” is a simplistic answer that doesn’t address the needs of users. And I use Linux every day, as a serverOS, running VM’s and docker.
“Let me debate you about why you shouldn’t use Windows” as if I want to use Windows, people who have no experience with the software in my industry dropping alternatives. Even had someone debate me after saying I’m a sysadmin in a mixed environment, and how I alone should just move the whole company and all our software vendors to Linux.
uh hu, you locked yourself in. Imo if you dont need Excel, OneNote or any of that shit, its perfectly cool. For devs its even nicer not to have to deal with all the windows shit ways of doing things. As for documents, LaTeX is great.
Also, in the end, the command line is even easier than having to learn shitty user interfaces. And you get much faster with command line too. Windows likes to have 3 different design languages from different decades for no reason.
Using it as OS and as Server, it has been perfect for years.
People who don’t use it either have a life and simply dont want things to change, or are too foolish to realise they are getting trolled with every update.
For people starting, just dual boot a Linux Distro. For the shit that requires windows boot into it. The rest can all be done in linux. Even boots faster.
And for average people probably the google documents / slides […] will be more than enough.
Rip to people that need windows shit to be in their life for work. Though they could also use a windows vm.
I could not find any selfhostable solution that comes close to the features of one note. Handwriting, offline work and syncing are a must for me.
Also one note web sucks.
Problem I’ve had with all these “fixes” the issues come back or the OS craps the bed
just use linux lmao
did i type this right? are you going to upvote my comment
To this point just use Linux already. You will be doing a lot of telemetry cleaning and even might be breaking things.
My anti-cheat don’t work on Linux
But that’s worse, because that implies ring 0 anticheat. That is synonym of rootkit.
or use the enterprise edition which is the only windows edition with an option to disable telemetry using group policy editor. in the other versions, you have to resort to terrible hacks.
It is bad the AMD support in windows. In Linux is better in my case. For sysadmin sorry but powershell is overengineered garbage. You need a very long command when in shell you got in three pipes. Even what are your proposing its hard to do, and sincerely i think it is better to just use a sane linux distro.
install random third party software that may be sniffing or leaking information to remove shady features from windows that sniff and leak information.
windows sucks.
The app is open source so you can review the not-leaking-your-information that it does yourself.
Windows on the other hand …
I wonder how many apps this actually happens for, my guess is “way less than people think”
Yeah, but it is virtually impossible to read all code running on your machine. At the very least it is an option. While I personally wouldn’t search the code of random open source calculator app. I’ll be damned if I ain’t inspecting something like this.
That they leak information? I work in commercial software development and I have to do a lot of open source security reviews. The answer is: virtually none.
Private, closed-source software on the other hand… If it could sniff your farts and send the smell to advertisers, it would; in almost all cases.
No, that people actually take the time to check the source code before installing them
I’ve seen enough crypto scams to know that even when the code is public, people don’t bother… Heck, there are scanning tools for crypto that tell you how risky the shitcoins are and people still get scammed out of thousands of dollars!
Not everyone have to check something. But there are people that do routinely check popular stuff, either on their own or for their job. Sometimes this raises issues, which are usually handled appropriately. Of course if you download a little unknown piece of software made by a single person and never advertised anywhere, you’ll have to do the job yourself. But anything semi-popular attracts enough attention to get some level of audit, at least because business uses a lot of open source. There are even businesses whose main product is auditing and developing open source, kind of like bounty hunters.
And of course there are counter-examples, too. TrueCrypt got pulled out quite dramatically, and I’m not sure we know why even now. But the more sensitive the stuff, the higher the chance of it getting some level of investigation.
As a software user, you can either care about your privacy or not. Caring about your privacy and not either vetting what you’re planning to use or checking that someone else has before using it, is akin to sticking your hand in a fire to find out if it’s hot.
Taking that analogy further, malicious open source software is kind of like a burning building. It only takes one person to raise the flag for it to spread pretty quickly through social media or other means that it is malicious. The whole community doesn’t need to acknowledge the fire for something to be done about it.
My reason for not using them is that they tend to be overly aggressive in what they remove. I only need a few reg tweaks and denying permissions on a few files. These often go whole hog and remove whole components, almost all apps etc. I actually use one drive, I don’t want its files also removed.
Another way of removing windows ai bloat is by using balenaetcher and an usb stick
Are you saying they should install Linux?
I know Rufus has options to modify the Windows image before writing it to your USB stick but AFAIK Balena can’t write Windows images.
I removed it by installing Linux
I removed your useless post by blocking you
Thanks now we all know what idiot to block 🤣
Fair, same
There’s a nix based distro called SnowFlake that I am not sure why but think might be interesting for you.
Might be your whining. Will never know, I guess
You’re hilarious! Your projection is truly first class. I’m amazed that you think it’s totally fine for some nix bro to post the exact same comment on every post about windows but anyone who dissents is a snowflake. Get the fuck over yourself.
You’re truly an embarrassment to us linux enjoyers.
This made me chuckle
Annnnnnnnnnnd there it is!
Like clockwork! Almost as reliable as the OS /s
Linux has no mainstream advertising so word-of-mouth is the only way it gets adopted.
It’s also about the customer having better options beyond “modify the ever-living shit out of Windows until it behaves”. Microsoft only does these things because they know how many hundreds of millions of customers are locked into their ecosystem. No matter what they do, no matter how poorly they treat their customers, they’ll keep coming back to buy more! So why should they care? Why should they slow down or offer some privacy-friendly version for anything below $1000 per person? Hell, I’m surprised Microsoft hasn’t been steadily raising the price of Windows over the years. Not like the customers are going to actually switch, right?
Honestly, I would switch to Linux if it didn’t take so much time to learn. I’ve messed around on a Raspberry π 4th gen board, but have no real experience. To really make the Linux jump, I’d need a tutor or something.
Also I don’t know which of my games will be compatible.
This might be a deeper dive than you mean but should cover everything you’d need to know and more
I finally switched to Linux as my daily driver (gaming, browsing, watching stuff) a week ago. Admittedly I have been using it at work for a few years.
- I chose Pop!_OS as a distribution, because it supposedly streamlines nvidia driver hassles and I wanted to give it a try
- Installed the OS, Discord, Steam, no problems
- Installed and played Raft, Vampire Survivors, TW Warhammer 3, Outer Wilds, no problems and no additional config needed
Just to add a voice to the positive feedback! If you have a spare computer or hard drive, I absolutely encourage you to try it out!
Most games are compatible, you can also check https://protondb.com/ for each game, how people play it and how they run it. It’s a very neat website!
About the jump: Do it now, and you’ll thank yourself later. I did it with no prior experience myself and didn’t find it difficult at all tbh, as previous comment suggested, try Mint first of you’re afraid. And if you want an easy to use one that also focus on a bit of gaming then try PopOS! Don’t let the amount of choices discourage or confuse you, just pick one and go with it. Feel free to message me if you ever need any help 🌻
Mint and Debian are great, and once you set everything as you like it, they’re pretty solid. Pop_OS is easy if you have an Nvidia GPU too.
As for comparability, proton has all but settled the issue. The SteamDeck runs on Linux after all. Take a look on Proton Database to check if a game works well or not. FWIW, every game I’ve tried save one has been flawless, and that one did things with files and wallpapers.
If you have a second computer you don’t need working, I’d recommend just trying something on it, switch distributions now and then. See how far you can get with just Linux.
The option to install Opera should be removed.
I used to have a power shell script that a coworker gave me that would uninstall a huge number of services and apps on windows, change a bunch of config settings etc.
I’ve always wished there were a way to roll out a stripped windows release as an open source project without getting sued.
Was it the christitus thing? Wonder if this ai debloat would complete that.
There is. It’s called slipstreaming and IT people have been doing it for decades
Configuration Management is the term I’m familiar with, third party tools or SCCM, or just group policy.
You can do some fun stuff with group policy
There’s a pretty funny disconnect on Lemmy of hardcore Linux users that have very very obviously never supported enterprise environments and have no understanding of how important windows is
Yep, it’s an echo chamber here
That’s pretty cool I just used Enterprise Edition and ran Powershell to uninstall shit. Also Chris Titus Tech’s tool is quite nice as well.
They keep inching me towards Linux with all this bullshit
Just make the jump. I keep a cheap n100 box as a backup.
I use AtlasOS to debloat and optimize (disabling animations, annoying requests and so on) Windows 10/11
I’ll thank you ahead of time, i’ll checl this out (hopefully) this weekend. It’s bookmarked.
What changed in windows 10? Mine looks the same as before.
Per the article they are rolling out bing’s ai search
Follow up to Microsoft saying all their keyboards will need/include an ai hotkey button to bring up the ai search
For fuck sake Microsoft.
At least I disabled the web search in the search bar long ago. I think I disabled it because of a bug that messed up search.
