Doesn’t matter. You and everyone else will too by then. No doubt.
Dunno about a canal in a populated area, that’s breeding grounds for bugs. Definitely down with fucking the car-centric building we have now though.
Bugs are good! More biodiversity!
They did similar things in Seoul (albeit not nearly as beautiful), and I’ve seen them in Japan. You’re not going to have many bugs, because at the end of the day it’s still only a dozen meters wide in the middle of the city.
Birmingham: Am I a joke to you?
If everything online English people say is any indication, I think that’s a yes.
Just realised I should have done Amsterdam, as the brummie accent will never not be funny.
This is because they’re too south to be northerners and to north to be southerners. The literal middle child of England. Every time you have to drive down south and it’s either pay to take the M6 toll road or deal with going closer to Birmingham, every stingy northerner is thinking in their head “fuck, this is a difficult choice”.
It’s mostly only standing water that breeds insects. If the canal is moving it should be fine.
Why not just make a green space? Whats the point of bulldozing and flooding the land underneath the highway? Did a representative for the mosquitos make this meme?
No, you don’t get it. The highway is still there, its just been flooded from global warming
Also, the river probably doesn’t suit the transportation of goods necessary for high population densities. Maybe an underground rail?
The dutch have more than one road (surprising, I know). Removing the eyesore won’t impact their shipping and transport
Removing a 4 or 6 way interchange absolutely would impact shipping and transport, which is why I suggested underground rail as a replacement.
As neither of us are civil engineers, I’m going to stick with my intuition on this until you can provide proof of impact.
You have no idea of my titles, but thanks for reiterating that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
You do realise rivers have been our highways for thousands of years?
Okay, pal, go ahead and transport 30,000 kilos of produce upriver within the next 2 days 16 times and tell me how efficient this river idea works out.
Spoiler: It’s gonna be terrible.
ok
I don’t think the Goudvis cargo ship’s 18 Meter Width is going to fit in the canal depicted above in Utrecht, just a hunch. I can’t speak for this cargo ship specifically but cargo ships in general are incapable of going upriver.
Feel free to nitpick this random image I got from the internet somewhere, but if you’re really that worried; there’s still a road next to the canal.
You’re complaining that I gave your low effort reply a decent counter argument? I feel like that’s a you problem.
You mean bulldozing and flooding the land that they drained and paved? It was a canal before it was paved in the 70’s
IIRC it was a river before it was a highway, and they decided to restore it to it’s natural state.
They’re Dutch.
They get all antsy-in-their-pantsy of they can’t see water from where they’re standing.
Okay so in case you’re serious: The water was there first. They filled it in and built a road before reversing that.
THE MOSQUITO LOBBY
I KNEW IT
I’m pretty sure this meme is just suggesting making green spaces out of former highways, not literally turning it into a canal.
Mosquito lobby. They suck.
GET IT SUCK GET IT
Same with the Vacuum lobby!
Time to expidite!
Message received. Heading to the retirement home down the street.
no, not that way!
oh, right, its the other direction. Good looking out homie.
expidite
If that was a word, what would it be?
He expedited the spelling of the word.
It’s like expedite, but when your spellcheck doesn’t work.
I thought we were just going to immediately live somewhere affordable, then change jobs…?
My city is planning to make a sports area in a patch of vacant land in the middle of town, the plans show that the frickin’ parking lots take up about 50% of the whole site! They are also building brand new baseball fields there even when we already have 3 right now that’s only 1.63 km away. They haven’t started any construction yet so I’m contemplating a Lil sabotaging, maybe plant some bamboo in that area idk.
The true definition of baboozling
Maybe also attend Town Halls and find an opportunity to speak up.
This should be the first thing everyone tries tbh. Many town halls are online these days it’s so easy to do
Run for local elections!!!
A local tower development - one as high as 92 storeys - is also getting a community centre in the middle. The community centre is 8 storeys, with parking underneath THAT.
in short, put the parking underground. I came to say that. If they don’t have a solution that involves parking safely out of the way, then it should fail at city hall.
When the local hospital built a new tower, I was surprised to see they used NONE of the 60-80 feet under-neath the new block for parking. And by parking, I mean 2000 10x20 partitioned but unsegregated underground storage areas that can be used for cars, hoarding of medical equipment in a pre-pandemic phase, or for emergency ward space later. So, everything you’d want to do with your parking lot, but also out of the elements and well-served by power, lighting and security.
What does planting bamboo do?
Bamboo grows and spreads fast and is very hard to remove as it builds a strong network of underground roots. You need very heavy machinery to get rid of it.
The perfect plan. They definitely won’t have any heavy machinery when they show up to start construction on a new sports arena.
Lol, yes. I can’t imagine that it would help much, but it would definitely be annoying. Especially for the parking lot. Imagine that instead of basically flattening the ground and pouring asphalt over it, you’d have to tear apart a thick bamboo forest yard by yard. Also they’d need to make really sure to remove all of the bamboo, or else it could grow back, maybe even through the asphalt.
oh shit that’s definitely going in the back of my mind for a mischevious moment 😈
Attract pandas, which are a protected species and thus cannot be relocated and prevent construction in the immediate area. Oldest trick in the book.
When most of the humans die 😂
This is the city of utrecht. One of the biggest cities of the Netherlands. They started restoring the city center about 15 years ago. The traffic was either put outside or reduced. Biking, trams and buses take care of mass transit. It’s parts of the cu2030 project (stations gebieded) https://cu2030.nl/ if you want to know more. the project has been a great success and is used as a blueprint for other cities in the country.
Thank you for sharing!
This is really an aesthetic question, and aesthetically I actually like road infrastructure, it feels cyberpunkish to me. And the problem with cyberpunk being dystopian is about the economic/politic systems, not architecture
This is not Cyberpunk, it’s plain old brutalism. And it’s ugly and depressing, every surface sealed, not a leaf in sight. Cyberpunk doesn’t mean depressing concrete hellscape, this is also Cyberpunk:
To play devil’s advocate (but not really because I actually like brutalist architecture), brutalism can look ugly and depressing, sure, but does not have to. I find that brutalist buildings go remarcably well with vegetation. See:
Aside from the fact that green zones are better aesthetically received on average (there are always exceptions), they also remove a lot of pollution, noise, and as a bonus generate some oxygen, greatly improving city climate, mood of the residents and life expectancy.
You can like what you want.
But I would like to point out that excessive road infrastructure ones with a lot of negatives for the general population.
We laugh, but there are a lot of plans across North America to revert the overuse of car infrastructure. Even Quebec small town, who love saying they’re the opposite of Montreal, are desifying and giving up on doubling lanes on roads, adding bike paths and attempting to work with what they have to reduce solo car usage.
Any way to escalate this? Uh, my manager was asking about it. Yeah.
I feel like this picture is misleading. The first one was taken a lot further away from those towers and you can see most of the trees were already there. The first picture is also taken in rainy weather which makes everything seem way more dull than it really is. It’s hard to tell what has actually changed between these two pictures, if anything at all.
Second is most likely a mockup photo for the project as it was proposed.
No it’s real; see my other comment.
Yeah I meant they did go through with it, but it’s not (yet) exactly like the plans show; they’re still building most of the stuff around it.
This is a real picture
I’ll happily believe that once I see where it came from. At the moment I still think it looks uncanny in a way but I may well be wrong.
Oh my god then shut up and go look it up. Good lord. “I won’t believe this, despite multiple people confirming it, until whatever will make me believe it is spoon fed to me directly”.
Here’s a page detailing the results of the restoration with plenty of other photos, including a higher resolution version of the photo in the post
https://arquitecturaviva.com/works/recuperacion-del-canal-catharijnesingel-en-utrecht
Thank you! I looked around but hadn’t found this.
It’s a bit less idyllic at the moment since it’s still winter but in the spring and summer it really does look like that.
these aren’t plans tho, I’m pretty sure it’s a real picture
so I found this location on Street View and there have indeed been some changes since 2014 and now:
River. It’s the river. Kinda hard to see if you don’t know what to look for.
It’s hard to tell what has actually changed between these two pictures, if anything at all.
The bleeding great moat going through the middle, for a start?
i assumed the moat is simply not visible on the first pic? did they make the water appear out of nowhere?
The road used to be a canal, and was drajned, and paved to 12 lanes in the 70’s. They ripped it back out and re-naturalized it to great success.
They canal is the road, the nature is sidewalks. Literally everything is different.
ok that’s pretty epic if true
What the hell is this thing?
To me it looks like a hand drawn red circle. Could be produced with a mouse in a drawing program, too.
It looks like a covered dock where the cover happens to be a piece of modern art.
It was an art installation but it’s not there anymore.
Looks like some housed platform, it has right of way signage and a buoy line boundary. Maybe a drain that’s dangerous?Enhance
Didn’t find a much better one. But here is the other side: https://arquitecturaviva.com/works/recuperacion-del-canal-catharijnesingel-en-utrecht#lg=1&slide=7
There’s small documentary about this canal on youtube. It’s fascinating. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fePpwYCs_JM
We’re going to move to a new city? I say we do that now, no need to wait for the boomers to die.
Note how it’s the same church.
That two tower building is pretty distinct, and it’s in both pictures
