• e8d79@feddit.de
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    9 months ago

    I can’t complain, installed Fedora 39 Kinoite and everything is working great. The only thing I have noticed is that drag and drop from dolphin into some flatpak applications is not working; But that is pretty much it and I am not even sure if Wayland is causing this. This is honestly the most usable Linux has ever been for me.

  • TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    For like half a second my brain thought this was a meme comparing the fictional megacorps Zorg Industries from “The Fifth Element” and the Weyland-Yutani Corporation from the “Alien” franchise.

  • Supercritical@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I got one of those NUCs at work that has new Intel XE integrated graphics. X11 works amazing, but wayland operates like a slideshow when I move windows around. Never looked much into it, just went to X11 and never went back.

  • shadowintheday2@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 months ago

    Most things would be solved if mainteners EVER updated their app’s electron version or stopped doing custom things with it and just let electron read $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/electron-flags.conf

    • Sanyanov@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      Cool promising future that failed to currently deliver for most

      Some could not be happier, though.

  • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.eeEnglish
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    9 months ago

    This debate is so fucking stupid. X. Is. Dead.

    Install Wayland, file bug reports, help everyone move into the future.

    X is dead

    • z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml
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      9 months ago

      Looks like I’m quitting my job because Wayland is the future asshat. How about I just run both X and Wayland on my computer, file bug reports on what doesn’t work with Wayland, and continue to use X until they fix it or you pull your head out of your own ass? Whichever comes first.

        • z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml
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          9 months ago

          Lol. Last time I checked you were the one shouting into the abyss that X is dead. Did the OP’s meme get under your skin so bad you had to go on a caps lock tirade about how sick you were of hearing this argument and X is dead, etc?

          If your criticism had added even one iota of thought to the conversation backing up your opinion, I would have just scrolled on by. There is a plethora of easily accessible data for you to choose from to back up your argument. You could have cherry picked ANY argument you wanted about why Wayland is the future from google and just posted that instead? That seriously would have shown more respect to the people who want to have an honest discussion on the topic.

          But no, instead you took the time to basically call everyone who took the time to post here stupid rather than just, y’know, move fhe fuck on? So yeah, I took some time out of my day to call you out for what you are, an asshat.

          Now, are you gonna chill the fuck out, take your ball, and go home? Or do you have some actually constructive criticism to contribute to the conversation? Cuz seems to me outside of throwing another tantrum, those are your only two options.

    • michaelmrose@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      Most people want to do things not file bug reports and wait months for them to be addressed. X gets security updates as needed and will get such for literally years. X is dead like rock not dead like disco.

      • PoopBuffet@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        My work uses slack. The screenshare doesn’t work with Wayland. Steam link/remote play doesn’t work with a Wayland host (at least it hasn’t every time i have tried it). For my gaming pc i only switch to X when i want to use the steam link and use Wayland the other 99.99% of the time because in general it is better. For work i exclusively run X. I started with Wayland, but then there were several occasions where i had to logout then login again switching to X just so i could share my screen which was a massive pain. I love Wayland, but i can totally understand people not wanting to switch until the tools they are used to (or are required to use) work properly under Wayland.

        • callyral [he/they]@pawb.socialEnglish
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          9 months ago

          Huh, works flawlessly for me on NixOS. Have you made sure that you’re using Pipewire and have the correct xdg-desktop-portal?

        • linearchaos@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          9 months ago

          Mine works okay on Debian 12 plasma. It was a little work to get it to not require root. The flat pack worked out of the box but then plugins became an issue so I went back and screwed with permissions till I got it working.

  • d_k_bo@feddit.de
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    9 months ago

    I don’t like the framing in this meme. “Wayland doesn’t run on Nvidia” implies that it’s a Wayland problem, but it’s actually Nvidia that fails to develop a modern, working driver.

    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 months ago

      “I can’t believe Linux doesn’t work with Adobe Photoshop!! Linux is shit and the devs need to fix their broken OS!”

      • 1984@lemmy.today
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        9 months ago

        Nvidia has a closed source driver. Wayland tries to support it but Nvidia keeps changing how the driver works every week. So it’s impossible to deliver quality with Nvidia shit.

        • michaelmrose@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          Why are you lying? Large software projects change slowly and stuff like GPU drivers work according to standards and interfaces. The bugs experienced aren’t even on the open source software side. The bugs in the general case are largely in the nvidia side and being fixed on that side albeit not briskly.

      • walkercricket@sh.itjust.works
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        9 months ago

        It is an Nvidia problem. And we need to insist on Nvidia being the problem until they give in. Their lack of wanting to take responsibility for distributing graphics cards on the market by not developing working drivers and not even letting the community fix it by open sourcing their driver is not something we should tolerate anymore. They pissed people enough at this point over the years, with their lack of participation in an driver problem-free environment on Linux, so they should and they will take the blame.

        • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          9 months ago

          Exactly. If Nvidia started completely half-arsing their Windows drivers, nobody would blame Microsoft.

          Yet here in Linux land, it’s apparently the Linux devs’ (many of whom aren’t even paid) fault, as opposed to Nvidia’s.

          Honestly, Nvidia’s marketing power is incredible. They make dogshit drivers and people point the finger at the OS developers rather than at Nvidia.

          • darganon@lemmy.world
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            9 months ago

            If Nvidia started completely half-arsing their Windows drivers, nobody would blame Microsoft

            This is happened with Vista, amongst other problems.

          • michaelmrose@lemmy.world
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            9 months ago

            Their “dogshit” drivers work great on X and did so back when ATis hardware was both closed source and hot garbage on Linux and they were utter trash all the way from early 2000s to 2014.

            • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              9 months ago

              Ok. I’m not really interested in how things were in 2008. I’m interested in the here and now, which is where Nvidia’s drivers are a mess.

              • michaelmrose@lemmy.world
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                9 months ago

                Nvidia drivers continue to work great under X 2003-2024 for me. I’m sure Nvidia will work well under Wayland long before I bother to switch. The same folks who are always shitting on Nvidia seem to all own AMD hardware and many have spent years lying about Wayland being totally ready in 2015-2022 after they spent years lying about AMD GPU drivers being great in 2008-2013 when both were largely unusable in that time frame. Since few of the haters actually own any Nvidia hardware I presume they get their information from stroking each-others ego on reddit/lemmy/mastodon.

                • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  9 months ago

                  Yeah but X11 is unsuitable for modern computing.

                  The same folks who are always shitting on Nvidia seem to all own AMD hardware

                  Many do… because they know Nvidia is plagued with issues. Why would they buy hardware they’ve had/will have issues with?

                  I had to get rid of my 1080 Ti because of how unusably bad the Linux drivers were. AMD has ran great, out of the box, on X11 and Wayland. Wayland has been great, used it for years with no issues outside of with Nvidia hardware.

                  Maybe when Nvidia gets their shit together and have drivers that work properly ill give them another go.

        • michaelmrose@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          Until they give in what? What in your fantasies does the open source community of randos have over Nvidia again? Will you withhold your 0.1% of their profits after cost of develoment is considered? If you had paid even the slightest attention you would note the progress in open source drivers supporting newer hardware.

    • michaelmrose@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      Users don’t care whose problem it is. They can trivially log out and log in and select X changing GPU implies throwing away hundreds or thousands of dollars of hardware. Over 80% of discrete GPUs are Nvidia hardware.

  • Shatur@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    What I don’t like about Wayland is that many things are specific to individual DEs. Like global shortcuts or taking screenshots. In my app I have two different solutions for taking screenshots in GNOME and KDE using XDG portals. It causes fragmentation.

    • topperharlie@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      o wow didn’t know this. such horrible design decision! So if I understood correctly ALL the apps that want to screenshot need to write independent code for each desktop environment??? I was just mostly ignoring Wayland until becoming mature, but now I actively dislike it with passion.

      So, if this is true and I understand correctly, it means that if I chose to use Xfce (as I do), I’ll have to hope really hard that zoom, skype, slack, discord… decide to provide support for not only linux,… but XFCE or give up and abandon XFCE? yeah f*** Wayland, they really didn’t think about the open source community when designing their solution. I don’t wat to even think of people that use other smaller desktop managers…

      I mean, screen sharing is basic functionality these days, in the interview for my current job I needed to use… I think it was teams. Is not even something you can chose, is bad enough to be exclusive linux user as it is, always wondering if in such cases something will not work.

      Honestly, long live Xorg. if deprecated and I have to switch to gnome/kde or lose functionality I might as well switch to windows after 20 something years of not using it.

      • Squiddles@kbin.social
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        9 months ago

        Screen sharing is fine, handled by Pipewire. OBS is adding (has added?) streaming through Pipewire too. And I’ve had no issues getting screenshots using grim, which isn’t tied to a specific compositor. Not everything is copacetic, but the things you’re talking about are mostly non-issues these days.

        Great name, btw

      • Shatur@lemmy.ml
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        9 months ago

        Screen sharing is different thing, there is no fragmentation there.

        But in order to take screenshot I had to write different code:

        For Gnome.

        For KDE. It also requires special line in desktop file for security reasons.

        For all other DEs.

        Global shortcuts are even worse. It also DE specific and users have to manually register them in DE settings. In order for your application to support this, it should export such functions via the Dbus interface. And all this incompatible with Windows (my app is cross-platform), so I had to provide in-app interface for global shortcuts too that works for Windows and X11 users.

        • e8d79@feddit.de
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          9 months ago

          What prevents you from using org.freedesktop.portal.Screenshot with GNOME and KDE as well? They both support taking screenshots using that method.

          • Shatur@lemmy.ml
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            9 months ago

            Unfortunately, you on GNOME and KDE you don’t have org.freedesktop.portal.Screenshot method in /org/freedesktop/portal/desktop.

            • e8d79@feddit.de
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              9 months ago

              No trying to be a menace, but I just tried it out using xdg-portal-test-kde and the screenshot portal definitely works on KDE Plasma 5.27.10. If you are experiencing issues with that, please create a bug report for xdg-desktop-portal-kde so it can be fixed.

  • merthyr1831@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    wouldnt be so sure. My AMD 780m iGPU has all sorts of weird issues on wayland atm. drivers are hella immature atm