"Muso, a research firm that studies piracy, concluded that the high prices of streaming services like Spotify and Apple Music are pushing people back towards illegal downloads. Spotify raised its prices by one dollar last year to $10.99 a month, the same price as Apple Music. Instead of coughing up $132 a year, more consumers are using websites that rip audio straight out of YouTube videos, and convert them into downloadable MP3 or .wav files.
Roughly 40% of the music piracy Muso tracked was from these “YouTube-to-MP3” sites. The original YouTube-to-MP3 site died from a record label lawsuit, but other copycats do the same thing. A simple Google search yields dozens of blue links to these sites, and they’re, by far, the largest form of audio piracy on the internet."
The problem isn’t price. People just don’t want to pay for a bad experience. What Apple Music and Spotify have in common is that their software is bloated with useless shit and endlessly annoying user-hostile design. Plus Steve Jobs himself said it back in 2007: “people want to own their music.” Having it, organizing it, curating it is half the fun. Not fun is pressing play one day and finding a big chunk of your carefully constructed playlist is “no longer in your library.” Screw that.
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Piracy creates an endless loop of artists taking advances and eventually losing royalties. That’s just what I’ve seen growing up in the music /film/ TV industry and briefly working in both. Screw labels and Spotify but go support artists and actually buy stuff.
Artists have never made much of sales anyway. Go to shows.
“It’s my understanding that I had over 80 million streams on Spotify this year, So, if I’m doing the math right that means I earned $12. Enough to get myself a nice sandwich at a restaurant. So, from the bottom of my heart, thanks for your support, and thanks for the sandwich.” - Weird Al
buy swag from their web presence if you are old and your ears can’t do live shows no more.
Noise attenuating earbuds are a game changer, haven’t gone home with ringing ears since I started using them.
Those are called earplugs.
Go to shows.
Ticketmaster has kicked in the doors of the chat, and secured every exit with burly goons.
Fucking dirtbags. They were recently forced to lump all their fees into the ticket price so their new tactic is to tack on fake taxes when purchasing tickets. I recently bought some for a festival through a ticketmaster subsidiary (to a venue owned by ticketmaster) and they charged me $33 in taxes on the purchase. The thing is, I live in Oregon where we don’t have any sales tax. I wrote both them and the promoter asking about it and they gave me some bullshit excuse about them being “state and local taxes” (venue is in rural Washington) even though that’s not how it works when it comes to purchases nor are there any local taxes in that area. The rate they charged me doesn’t even match the WA sales tax rate.
This is still making them a significant amount of money regardless of Ticketmaster.
No they don’t. I don’t have a problem with let me listen to this to see if I should buy it. That’s totally understandable. People who just do it to get everything free is what I have a problem with. If you really like the work find a way to support them because those numbers open doors to bigger opportunities.
Totally agree on the show’s and I’ve seen some big name artists at small shows randomly. Also some really good merchandise.
Screw labels and Spotify but go support artists and actually buy stuff.
This is the way.
Seems like advances exited long before piracy was a significant thing. Though I’m sure piracy does contribute to the imbalance like you describe.
I don’t mind paying artists for work that I like. Hell, I’ve bought much of my collection 3 times now: LP, cassette, CD. I never bought MP3s - just ripped them myself. All my CDs are in storage, which is dark, cool, and dry.
I’m pretty sure the distributors kept most of that money.
And that’s where the bulk of the problem lies: the power brokers that have always tried to control production and distribution.
And that goes back a long way. I know I’m being repetitive, but Payola has been around a long time, and rather indicative of the state of media production. It’s not like these ideas left just because someone got busted… They just learned new ways to accomplish the same goals of controlling the media marketplace without getting caught.
Never a bad time to plug ListenBrainz. ListenBrainz logs what you listen so you can keep track of what you hear and it helps you get recommendations and insights into your listening habits. It’s not specifically for music pirates but it is compatible with music piracy. You can submit listens from all kinds of sources, youtube, spotify, but also local files (pirated or not). ListenBrainz is FOSS and publishes all their data on a open license, for the benefit of everyone.
Do you know if there is anything that locks up to this that will automatically download the music they recommend?
It would be cool to have an app where if you like the track, you give it a thumbs up, but if you don’t you give it a thumbs down and the track is deleted automatically
It never left. My MP3 collection is getting kinda disgusting at this point. I really should delete a bunch of it, but you never know when I’m going to want to listen to that album I downloaded 15 years ago and haven’t gotten into yet!
I lost mine several times - I didn’t always use to have backups. Two were on MP3 players that stopped working. One was on an old smartphone, which worked but which I just didn’t bother copying most of the data from. Once I just wiped it accidentally. In hindsight - I don’t mind, that would’ve got cleaned up anyway.
I kinda wish I’d lost mine once or twice.
Every few years I just create a new folder of the artists that I actively listen to and keep the older stuff out of my library but still in storage.
Sounds better than my method of having the first ten-fifteen years of collecting arranged neatly by artist names in folders labeled alphabetically followed by a few different folders labeled by the year I downloaded (not the year of release), a few genre folders, and a a few, uhh, folders sorted by how I acquired the music torrented or through Soulseekqt. Yeah, mine is a complete mess. Pulsar player for Android makes it incredibly easy to sort through stuff anyway. I did conveniently fail to put a lot of the stuff I rarely listen to on my current phone anyway. I’m not too egregiously awful. I do at least listen to everything I download at least once or twice. I had a friend in the 00s who just downloaded everything whether he listened or not. Yeah, I’ll keep comparing myself to his 20+ year old standard of digital hording.
The problem isn’t price. People just don’t want to pay for a bad experience.
It’s all about the price for me cause I live in a 3rd world country. Even if their service improves, I will not hesitate for a second to pirate stuff. I’ll just use the money i save to pay the internet bill instead of availing a monthly sub
I was going to say that this is where I disagreed with the OP. It is 100% about price and has absolutely nothing to do with bloat or hostile design. As I wouldn’t consider Spotify’s design or Apple Music’s design choice bad. If anything they are popular because of their design choice.
If people cared about bloat they wouldn’t be on Facebook, Instagram, or TikTok. The rest of the consuming world lives in a pretty concerning place financially. Anyone who thinks it has to do with the design of the apps is either missing the point and not looking at the rest of the shit going on in the world or blatantly wants to believe Apple bad and FOSS good and I have found that to be a part of what I call the Lemmy mentality.
But… Ooga booga… Apple bad FOSS good
The problem
isn’tis price.“People just don’t want to pay for a bad their software is bloated with useless shit and endlessly annoying experience. What Apple Music and Spotify have in common is that user-hostile design. Plus Steve Jobs himself said it back in 2007: “people want to Own their music (reuters.com).” Having it, organizing it, curating it is half the fun.”For me, it’s neither the price nor the quality of apps (idgaf, it plays music in the background). The thing that pushes me towards piracy is the same as for movies and TV shows: disappearing content. Because of content licensing deals, every piece of media is temporary on a service. I do rewatch movies from time to time and it’s infuriating if it’s gone (or rather would be, if I was still paying for any streaming service). This is especially true for music. My Spotify favorites list has a huge percentage of greyed out entries (and I’m pretty sure there are things that were outright deleted).
I still use spotify as well. It works for me, i just found like 10 new songs last week. At the same time, last year i listened 2hrs/day on average.
BUT at the same time, every few months i export my whole playlists, just in case, using this site.
I think it was maybe 4 or 5 years ago I started noticing the greying out in spotify Minute that happened it was back to the high seas
Look, it’s on it’s last legs, but Bandcamp and Bandcamp Fridays still exist.
Reasonable cost, money goes directly to the artist, and you get high quality FLACs with no DRM to keep permanently.
I pirate a lot, but I also spend a lot of money at Bandcamp trying to get money directly in the hands of the artists I enjoy.
And Bandcamp Friday is today.
For those who are unfamiliar with both Bandcamp and Bandcamp Friday, can you ELI5?
They waive the 20% fee on bandcamp friday, all money goes to the artist.
You can buy music without DRM on Bandcamp, and on Bandcamp Friday a larger share goes directly to the creator. It’s a great way to support your favorite artists.
The strange bit is, even in the 80s,I was paying waaaay more than that per year for records and tapes.
It’s only the fact that someone suggested I had to pay them a subscription that causes me to download illegally
Don’t fucking tell me I need to keep paying every year for something I don’t own, I’m not buttoned up the back
“The problem isn’t price. People just don’t want to pay for a bad experience.”
The experience using a paid service is way better than pirating, let’s be honest here. The problem for some people is price.
For music, I think yes. For other forms of media, not so much.
I’m willing to say that this is probably true for most, but not for all.
If you run your own music streaming server, in some cases it’s better than streaming services.
This isn’t sour grapes either. I had Google music for a couple of years, and I currently have a ninety day trial of Spotify unlimited…these services might be better for most, but if you care about the things I do they’re worse.
I haven’t really even used my Spotify trial because my streaming setup is so much better in a variety of ways.
All that said, I’m an album listener, an older cat, and borderline music obsessive. I’m likely a dying breed. But I find music streaming services much worse.
I honestly think it’s much easier to have a catalog of music than, for instance, TV shows. I listen to the same albums over and over again, but I’m not nearly as keen on rewatching the same shows or watching the same movie more than even once.
Music is getting worse though. Spotify is bloating all searches with stuff you don’t want. The “Artist top songs” is rarely the most popular songs and is limited to 10 song. In the beginning you could list all the songs from an artist and sort it on “Plays”.
Spotify needs to connect to network to play songs, and there is no option to not play on metered network. So I sometime would play songs that Spotify mysteriously deleted from downloads, and loose a month of data.
Now, I mostly get my music from bandcamp and only listen to couple classical album on spotify, since there is no good place to buy them.
The day that Spotify pull a Netflix on their family plan is the day I leave Spotify.
It’s taken longer than I expected, but more and more people are realising streaming services as a model are not good, by any measure.
They cost more in the long run, you are made powerless as a consumer (perpetually increasing costs and removing your favourite content), and you can’t even get ‘everything at the convenience of your fingertips’ cause the market is fragmented and they remove things periodically. You own nothing and pay more. Absolutely stupid model that deserves to die.
I’m surprised everyone didn’t realize it right from the beginning before things got to this point. Better late then never, I - suppose.
My theory is that it’s just the fact that there is always a new generation of people around the corner who haven’t learned the lesson of how capitalists work. Therefore, there is always a market vulnerable to being swindled. They can keep using the same tactics, there’s always a delay in people figuring out the grift, then by the time they do there’s a new group of suckers ready to fall for it.
Yeah, that is true for video steaming, but not music. Spotify has almost every song on the planet, and with a family account it’s very cheap. Unless you only listen to a very small music library it’s vastly cheaper than buying all the music
I do use streaming (although for free) to find new tracks. But I cannot imagine having my PRIMARY collection there, mostly because it’s so locked-down. You can’t use it on a dumb MP3 player, you can’t use a player application of your choice, etc.
Their android app is total garbage and frustrates me to no end. I’m seriously considering just going back to pirating my music just because I hate spotifys music app…
Spotify has almost every song on the planet
Until a contract negotiation with UMG goes south and they lose half the catalog overnight. See what’s happening on tiktok right now for a good example of this.
I understand the convenience draw, but I’m not a fan of continually paying for content that can disappear at any moment.
Well if that happens, then there’s always piracy. But until then. I’ll use my family account. Because I don’t have the resources to download all the songs that my other 4 family member likes.
Or, since I cannot download each and every song they like, I’ll turn to another form of piracy. Revanced yt music.
If there was soulseek on an iOS app I think I’d go fully back to piracy. Never gotten over Apple Music ruining all my playlists, just want to go back to basics
I doubt spotify’s small price increase mattered as much as the big increase in overall living expenses. If the choice is between paying for services like spotify or paying rent, then it is a lot easier to pirate music than housing.
I don’t know, waiting for the day your favorite tracker goes down unexpectedly and either never comes back or is replaced by an FBI seizure warning is at least kind of like waiting for the day the cops finally show up to kick you out of the building you have been squatting in.
I agree conceptually. Experientially, I would say losing housing (legally occupied or not) is far more dramatic and life changing than being inconvenienced over the loss of a torrent tracker.
Source: In my drinking, I’ve found myself homeless (due to choices I made, no doubt). Wildly, losing access to torrents (which I’ve also done) is somewhat less consequential than being on the streets.
Anghami is $2.99 per month or $24.99 per year. It is the only subscription service I use and I’m happy with it. $10.99 per month is excessive.
Do they actually have the same selection as Spotify and Apple music? I checked their website, and it appears to be catered to Arabic listeners, but I saw one of the pictures at least has Taylor Swift on there. I listen to a lot of niche stuff, though, and I don’t feel like downloading the app just to see if it’s there. That is a good price if they have all of the same artists, though.
Their international selection is small, if you primarily listen to English songs and podcasts it will not be sufficient. I think they still offer a free trial.
Thanks for the response and info, I really appreciate it! I will definitely let some of my family know about Anghami, because some of them actually listen to Arabic music, unlike myself.
i’m a big fan of music streaming, the way i listen to music only really works with a discovery algorithm. but the way streaming services and labels have been unnecesarily fucking over the customer as well as the artist is getting ridiculous.
qobuzz could be a possible alternative, with them providing FLACs and/or CD quality tracks to purchase and download, but also having a subscription plan. they say more money is going to the artist. the only thing missing is the algorithm.
go ahead, tell me i’m “corrupted by capitalism” or whatever. this is the way i want to do it. there’s no point in building up a collection worth hundreds and thousands of euros now, apart from FLACs being gigantic files and taking up all of the storage on my phone. plus i would cut myself off from being able to discover good artists the way i’m used to.
the way i listen to music only really works with a discovery algorithm
People have been listening to music without an algorithm for hundreds of years. Even digitally, algorithms for discovery are fairly new. What’s so different about how you listen to music?
i have more than 10 playlists for different genres and occasions, the ““smart”” shuffle helps pad those out since otherwise the playlist would be like 20 songs long.
the recommended songs at the bottom are often pretty bad, but for every 10 shitty songs there’s one worth adding to the list.
occasionally i also listen to full albums, often only from bands i really really like.
i get that spotify influenced how i do it, and i don’t have a problem if people do it differently. but an algorithm is a major plus for any music platform (from my perspective)
i probably won’t start pirating music, but if spotify continues to enshittify itself i’m gonna have to look for alternatives.
I get it. I really enjoyed Spotify’s recommendations, but I had to quit as part of my “fuck streaming” pledge. My questions were genuine, I hope they didn’t come off as antagonistic.
I switched to Plex / Plexamp, and I have to say whatever algorithm they’ve implemented has greatly helped me discovery things in my local library. It does a great job at “vibe mixing”, by that I mean you’re not going to shuffle from rock to classical to electronic. It’s even nailed some transitions that were both beat- and keymatched.
Might be more than you’re willing to undertake, but it allowed me to drop the Spotify sub.
Always has been
