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No, this isn’t a bad thing. It’s a common misconception. Raspberry pi trading is going for an ipo. They’ve always been profit oriented. The raspberry pi foundation is still nonprofit, despite sharing some members.
You can still take issue with a for-profit private company going for an IPO. They are the part that does all of the hardware and software development and the impacts that public trading will have on them will be felt regardless of if the Foundation side remains unchanged.
Oh no, the tipping point for enshitification. First it was selling all the stock to corporate clients, now this.
RIP Rasbery Pi. IPO is good for investors, not for consumers.
It’s good for existing share holders. IPOs can be bad for investors too. I wouldn’t want to touch this stock
It’s going to be a cash flinging fest. Sign up for the IPO, put your money there, sell in the next days. I am no day trader but I don’t know of a single time I’ve heard of an IPO that wasn’t heavily pumped for the first hours and days. Not that I’m a filthy capitalist swine who would do such a thing, I’m just saying.
All kinds of IPO don’t live up to their expectations. Facebook went down hard back in the day, for example.
All kinds of IPO don’t live up to their expectations. Facebook went down hard back in the day, for example.
I wanted to start my comment with “As a long time fan of the company…”, but then I remembered I still use PI 2b few times a week for what feels like a decade+ and that is all I ever got (besides buying that first PI Zero for some reason also forever ago).
Enshitification of Rasoberrypi. Didn’t see that coming.
is there any comparable risc-v option?
STAR64? Don’t know how they compare on benchmarks, but Pine64 has a few products that are risc-v.
Afaik the StarFive SOCs used in SBCs are a lot slower than current ARM offerings. Part of that might be because software support is worse, so maybe compilers and related tooling aren’t yet optimized for them?
Hopefully development on these continues to improve though. The biggest nail in the coffin for Pi alternatives has been software support.
It’s also a super new architecture and completely open source. Development will simply be slower. There’s enough “mainstream” Pi competitors with risc-v offerings though that I’m confident that it will happen.
STAR64 is an ARM board. Pine64 is definitely eyeing RISC-V heavily but last I checked the only product that actually shipped with a RISC-V CPU is the pinecil featuring a SiFive E24, a beefy microcontroller. Ridiculously beefy for a soldering iron, but a microcontroller nonetheless.
Killing off ARM in that segment is still some ways off but RISC-V already has a firm foothold in the microcontroller space. Also Arduinos are absolutely overpriced which doesn’t help them a bit.
There are a lot of cheap Arduino UNO and NANO knockoffs and the tech is so stupidly simple (and ancient) it doesn’t take much to design your own (you can put together the most of the hw on a breadboard as long as you get an extrenal USB-Serial adaptor module, and those are also cheap as chips)
For the more modern and powerful stuff at that end of the computing power (i.e. the low, low, oh-so-low end) the simplest option is an ESP8266 or ESP32, which you can get as a module for about $3 - $5 or as a board for about 2x to 3x the price.
That said, this stuff are microcontrollers, not microprocessors, and they’re nowhere in the same range as SBCs like the Pi, so I wouldn’t advise using one of those if what you want is something that can run Linux and use displays with more resolution than 128x80.
What?
STAR64 is Risc-V.
The Star64 is a RISC-V based Single Board Computer powered by StarFive JH7110 Quad-Core SiFive U74 64-Bit CPU
They also have the Pinetab-V, which uses a 64-bit Quad-core 1.5 GHz SiFive U74 RISC-V chip.
The Pinecil was their first Risc-V product and the first commercial product with Risc-V made by anyone.
RIP Raspberry Pi. Whenever-2024
2012, I think… that’s why I got my first Pi. I guess the enshitification will begin :(
Oh no, please no. They were supposed to be the best of us.
Oh no, please no. They were supposed to be the best of us.
No King rules forever.
ahh shit…here we go again
Of all the things I expected to enshittify during 2024 I certainly didn’t expect we’d start with the Pi.
What would be the second best in terms of popularity, community and affordability?
If you don’t mind dogshit Rockchip Windows only shit-wear you’d do well with an OrangePi.
Pine and BeagleBoard have some decent options, but they’ll always be more expensive than rpi because of the economy of scale.
You either die the hero, or live long enough to become the villain.
Didn’t they start as a non-profit? But I guess, as someone I know used to say, there’s one god everybody worships: the money god.
A non-profit in the same way OpenAI is a non-profit.
“Buy me senpai!”
Non-profit to enjoy the perks that come with that until they’re big enough to cash out.
Because that’s the non-profit organization, not the for-profit business.
Damn. I’ll donate to Pi-Hole instead.
XD
Technically they still are, but the nonprofit owns and controls a for-profit corporation. I think they made that switcheroo a little over a decade ago, but someone else can fact check me the timing.
Just like Mozilla, OpenAI and wikimedia foundation. The future looks bright /s
oh I didn’t know wikimedia was also a for profit in disguise. that sucks hard.
it’s not. They do have a commercial product they use to fund their operation, in addition to donations, but that doesn’t make them a for-profit company.
Is that an actual for-profit company controlled by the non-profit wikimedia foundation, or just a way for the foundation to make money to run its operations? My understanding is it’s the latter, unlike Mozilla and now Raspberry Pi. See here:
Wikimedia Enterprise is a product of the Wikimedia Foundation, with content created by volunteers around the world.
A nonprofit doesn’t have to rely exclusively on donations to fund its operarions.
Uh, no? It’s the other way around?
According to who? You? Because the UK government says otherwise.
Raspberry Pi LTD (for-profit, founded 2012) is owned by the Raspberry Pi Foundation (non-profit, founded 2008).
Fair enough, but raspberry pi (trading) Ltd is the one that’s mostly in control.
I’m not sure what you’re missing here, but they are OWNED by the non-profit, which means their actions align with their owners intent.
The Raspberry Pi Foundation lived long enough to see itself become the villain. Don’t make excuses for them.
A formerly amazing charity now abandoning their principles and going for an IPO. What a shame.
Raspberry pi’s business sector (aka Raspberry Pi Trading) has never been non-profit. That’s who is going for an ipo.
Raspberry pics community sector (aka the Raspberry Pi Foundation) is the non-profit, and will remain as such.
Edit: Here’s my source.
Things looked bad when they hired that cop and doubled down on his defensive BS. Now it’s arduino and esp32s for me
pine64
Orange pi and banana pi and other knock offs is good too… Yet, till they follow that path too
And for what reason exactly? IPOs are either for owners to cash out or for the company to gather investment money. RPi doesn’t really need money, they sell an extremely popular product. They literally can’t produce enough product to quench the Pi thirst.
this is the heart of the matter.
business majors are taught if youre not growing your failing. if its not quarter over quarter kpi improvements youre failing.
businesses dont get to just be. they are constantly forced into always getting bigger or more profitable apparently no matter what.
any solid little company ends up getting bought and injected into the verticle… because humans are weak, and almost all of us have a price.
Aaron Swartz is probably spinning in his grave right now
Quick, bring the generator to harvest the green energy!
He probably killed himself because he saw the world for what it was and wanted no part it, being someone who was having money thrown at them when what he wanted was to help better humanity with his skillset.
Human civilization has largely rejected benevolence and actual charity, when you get nothing back but a warm fuzzy feeling, not tax breaks , marketing ammo, etc.
It’s also been entirely rejected by the socioeconomic classes with any power. Becoming a teacher or a other purely pro-social professions gets you treated like dirt to struggle in subsistence until death. Becoming an MBA that finds redundancies(people) to curtail(fire), or a hedge fund manager makes you bank.
There is no place in the civilization we’ve made for ourselves for do gooders, save the gutter.
He probably killed himself because
Using someones suicide to preach about your own personal cause is a dick move.
Market Capitalism has poisoned the very core of humanity, civilization, and literally the COMMUNal environment we all rely on from one breath to the next.
Good thing the market capitalists are so fucking confident that the solution is… going harder on market capitalism.
Can you link to these NZ bunkers ?
Also you know that NZ is basically a giant volcano. Lake Taupo, is a scheduled to blow and will wipe out most of the north island.
It isn’t some magically island paradise that the rich can runaway from the world.
One more, from a guy who was invited to consulting of a group of them.
Just this year he lost a bid to build a new property which was to be built into a remote hillside alongside Lake Wanaka on New Zealand’s South Island.
So no. No bunkers. Didn’t get approval and would be a pretty easy to find if someone gets approval for a bunker somewhere.
Those two articles. Both articles and not much more than speculation.
One article actually hints at it. However it doesn’t change the facts. NZ is a Yellowstone waiting to happen. Bunker or not the island is toasts.
Also there’s a reason NZ doesn’t have skyscrapers an d concrete buildings. The amount of earthquakes would make building a bunker pretty dam near impossible.
Deeper you dig to hide from calamity above you. Closer you get to calamity below you.
What’s your definition of a skyscraper? We have a load of buildings over 150m high, 40+ stories.
We have fancy earthquake tech for our tall buildings, like counterweights.
We’re the same as Japan, we’re both on the “ring of fire”, basically little scabs of islands where continents rub against each other.
Japan has loads of tall buildings. And concrete ones too.
“the island is toasts” lol.
We do have plenty tall buildings in Auckland Welly chc and stuff. But not dotted all over the island. Likely because you’d need to drill into volcanic rock. Which is pretty expensive and difficult to do. I assume they place the taller building in places without volcanic rock.
Can you counterweight a bunker deep under earth ?
That was my point
I’m sure Japan and every other nation with super volcanoes had the same issues. Which is the point. NZ isn’t off planet. It has just as much risk as anywhere else. If not more due to Taupo super volcano.
Which is overdue
https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20230804-taupo-the-super-volcano-under-new-zealands-largest-lake
I think expense & population not feasibility is why we don’t have them dotted all over.
Surely an underground rock bunker would be exactly what they’re looking for? Very “evil villain” aesthetic.
I’m dubious of claims of being overdue. How solid is the science backing those claims?
Well, the upside is if taupo goes, I should get a good view being only a few hours away 😬
They’re also building quite a few in the heartland of the US. Although honestly I think they’re one big scam by the people actually constructing them – fully stocked luxury bunker for you, your family, friends, etc all on some billionaires’ dime. If shit hits the fan and you don’t let them in what’re they gonna do – sue you about it?
The billionaire doomsday prepper mindset is ridiculous when you think about it for 30 seconds. Physical control over the resources around would be all that mattered, not how much Monopoly money you had in the before times.
Not to mention that billionaires are fancy lads and lasses expecting to be waited on hand and foot. When their operations and Security people, people much more generally competent then them in every conceivable real world way, no longer has use for them or their paychecks, they will become their bunkers very, very quickly, especially because wealthy people don’t know how to share and will treat them as staff and not people, let alone friends.
I can’t imagine them finding security that meets their standards for employment that also lacks opportunism. You don’t agree to protect Bezos from the hoards of Bezos’ victims without being selfish to begin with.
AAAAAAAAA I HATE ENSHITTIFICATION
WHY DO YOU ALWAYS NEED MORE FUCKING MONEY
FUCK
Its been coming for a while tho. They abandoned the affordable market long ago. Buy banana pis or other knockoffs, those have been better than the raspberry versions for a long time anyways…
Thank you! This is the kind of info I was looking for. Fuck IPOs.
How did they abandon the affordable market? You can get a 1GB pi 4 for $35 today, the same price as when it launched. You get get a zero 2 for $15 I think. Just because the pi 5 is more expensive doesn’t mean they’ve abandoned the affordable market. They just widened the product line. Jeez.
How is the community on the alternatives? I always hear that raspberry Pis is easier to beginners due to the community. Alternatives are cheaper and faster but doesn’t have a big community so not too user friendly.
I started with rockchip devices because I couldn’t get a real rpi. I had no trouble getting help for anything I was trying to do.
They don’t just want more money. He wants a huge payout for retirement. And fuxk everyone else.
