Thank you, corporate arm of US pro-genocide propaganda, very cool.
Sensors
The sensors have sharp senses
Oh no! Not freedom of speech!
Antizionism is not antisemitism
True, but also they can exist in the same statement, and often do.
The anti-zionists I know are not antisemitic, and I have not seen them be antisemitic.
Sometimes I see people say a statement is antisemetic, such as “From the River to the Sea, Palestine Will be Free,” or something else with a similar meaning. That is not an antisemetic statement. It is against the state, not against the people, nor is it against the religion or ethnicity, and the two are not equal. Any attempt to equate the two is an attempt to silence people who are against the actions of the state, which is usually what I end up seeing.
Sure, you can say something that is both, but I almost never see people do this.
The anti-zionists I know are not antisemitic, and I have not seen them be antisemitic.
Pretty interesting how blind you are to your own confirmation bias.
Since I’m in a bad mood, I’ll point it out to you.
If you are not antisemitic, likely you do not tolerate being around antisemitic people. Therefore the anti-zionists you know are not antisemitic.
I, on the other hand, was born in the state of drunken alligator fights and hookworm, where 60% of the population is antisemitic AND anti-zionist, so I have seen it many, many times.
but I almost never see people do this.
Then you should learn to appreciate the fact you don’t live in the middle of the deep south and the culture that surrounds you is a lot more sane and reasonable than a good chunk of the nation actually is.
For example, the ‘Jewish space laser’ conspiracy theory is BOTH antisemitic and anti-zionist.
You are right about it being confirmation bias, but I am aware of it. I’ve intentionally blocked out family members and former friends over antisemitism, and I’ve realized that once I gained more control over my life, such as by graduating from school and college, and having the ability to not associate with family. I do not currently live in the deep south, but I have a lot of family living in the thick of the bible belt. I no longer talk to them because of their support of cryptofascism. The only people I discuss politics with are close friends, who range from liberal to radical left, people at protests, immediate family as general talk, and random people online in political communities that skew left, or have no particular bias but have strict “no fascism” rules. Other than occasionally keeping tabs on fascists on twitter, I don’t have very much exposure to fascists.
However, as I live in an area where the antisemites have to be very mask-on, and they are counterintuitively pro-zionists. This is because the popular breed of fascism near me is christofascism and christian nationalism. These people want the state of isreal solely because it fulfills a prophecy in the book of revelation. Many of them also want jewish people to be expelled or killed, being literal fascists or hyper-christian. They are both antisemitic and zionists.
But the fact that I have comformation bias in the anecdotes at the beginning and end of what I said is not important.
What I was hoping to point out is a lot of the supposed antisemitism I see is not in fact antisemitic, it’s just antizionist. For instance, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine Will be Free” is often called antisemitic (it is even called hate speech by the ADL), but it is not, it is anti-zionist. Attempts to conflate this phrase used by activists with antisemitism only seeks to attempt to silence them, showing that protests against zionism is walking on egg shells. Calling for an end of apartheid structures that limit the freedom of movement of palestinians to small sections of the state is not calling expelling jewish people, or somehow referring to space lasers, or whatever.
To go to specific examples, there is the van that drove around Harvard with activist’s faces on it labeling them as antisemites. From what I’ve heard through a friend who currently attends Harvard, those are simply anti-zionist activists. Other supposed antisemitic acts during anti-zionist protests at harvard were intentionally spun that way. From what I heard, at a die-in protest, a jewish student walked over the protestors, and one of them supposedly complained to an organizer that they had been stepped on by that student. In response, the organizers forced that student to leave. That friend told me that some local news reports called the protest antisemitic because a jewish student was forced to leave it, but from what he told me it was for a valid reason, being that the organizers wanted to keep their protesters safe from being stepped on.
Starting to think you are a chatbot. You echo certain phrases in the way that only LLMs really do. Pushing certain propaganda points.
Lmfao, “everyone I don’t agree with is a chatbot pushing propaganda points.” Sorry for not being eloquent. 🤦
Sometimes, I wish I was using chat gpt, it would save me some time and effort responding to people, but usually I’m just on here because of boredom so it doesn’t matter in the end.
And they can not, and often don’t.
Agreed, there is a legitimate way to criticize the Israeli government that isn’t tied to race.
The antisemite says “They are monsters because they are Jews”
The anti-zionist says “They are monsters because they act inhumanely towards civilians”
The antisemitic anti-zionist says “They act inhumanely towards civilians because they need to gather precious child blood for their (((rituals)))”
But the problem here is that there are a FUCKTONNE of antisemites that want to hide in the crowds of the anti-zionists for ideological cover.
On the OTHER hand, I’ve never seen an anti-zionist hide in the crowds of the antisemites for ideological cover unless they also harbored racist misbeliefs.
It’s pretty easy on the face to tell the difference, but even that level of nuance is beyond the understanding of so many people.
But the problem here
No actually, that’s not what the conversation was about at all.
And who the fuck declared you the King of Conversation in this thread?
I should be the one asking you that.
Except I’m not the windowlicker that said:
No actually, that’s not what the conversation was about at all.
You don’t have an intellectually honest bone in your body and I left reddit to get away from people like you.
Yes it is. No one other than the dumbest fucks believe that. Jews have been massacred in the middle east for Millenia, if they no longer have their own country the Arabs will complete what Hamas started.
Calling for the destruction of Israel is calling for the murder of ten million Jews.
yeah, poor israelis! let them do their genocide in peace you antisemites!
Something something Parenti quote…
During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.
If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
—Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds
Based antizionism
The great firewall was meant to protect us from the sheer shitposting power of Chinese netizens.
China is the greatest modern civilization in human history!
The firewall was & is meant to protect indigenous technological development from being overrun by Silicon Valley corporations.
You mean the Silicon Valley corporations China is stealing the development from?
Bomb it
Tear down this disgusting house
Tear it down
Demolish it
Burn it
This is not antisemitism.
“Kill the Jews” is antisemitic.
Probably because their government wants the people to feel anger towards Israel and the West in general. It makes it easier to mobilize them. They are preparing for a major conflict with the West and we are doing the same. We are all on the brink of a global war. Hopefully, it never comes to that. At a minimum, it’s looking like a Cold War with proxy wars and massive military buildup is ahead of us.
Fuck off. Anything I see that claims “anti-antisemitism” is Israeli propaganda. Israel is the most anti-Semitic nation in the world today, if you are anti-Israel, you cannot be anti-Semitic.
