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- apple_enthusiast@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- apple_enthusiast@lemmy.world
Who would’ve thought? This isn’t going to fly with the EU.
Article 5.3 of the Digital Markets Act (DMA): “The gatekeeper shall not prevent business users from offering the same products or services to end users through third-party online intermediation services or through their own direct online sales channel at prices or conditions that are different from those offered through the online intermediation services of the gatekeeper.”
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Friendly reminder that you can sideload apps without jailbreaking or paying for a dev account using TrollStore, which utilises core trust bugs to bypass/spoof some app validation keys, on a iPhone XR or newer on iOS 14.0 up to 16.6.1. (ANY version for iPhone X and older)
Install guide: Trollstore
Another alternative is SideStore which allows to refresh apps from your phone without a computer. Just a WiFi connection. It has the benefit of working with any ios versions including the latest ones that TrollStore doesn’t support.
Yep, its a better AltStore so only 3 apps unless you are vunerable to MDC. For those without a pc, paying for a signing service like maplesign is an option too.
I’m so glad I’m not using Apple, so I can avoid this mess. Not that Android is perfect, in fact Android is pretty shit as well. But at least it’s better than getting locked into Apples ecosystem
I will never switch to iOS until they allow both sideloading and other browser engines.
I hate that I buy my phone from a shitty advertising company like Google but atleast they don’t treat me like a child and let me use my universal turing machine universally.
but atleast they don’t treat me like a child
They do. They don’t give you root access out of the box. And if you decide to root it, you’ll pop a physical fuse
i have unlocked bootloader of every single smartphone I’ve ever had, ranging from Xiaomi, Samsung, Motorola to Google.
pixels are the easiest to unlock. there are several mediocre things about pixels(battery life, refresh rate, etc.). but unlocking bootloader isn’t one of them.
i have unlocked bootloader of every single smartphone I’ve ever had, ranging from Xiaomi, Samsung, Motorola to Google.
I didn’t say it was hard, and I’ve done it myself, but try do that on your work phone
why the hell would you root a device supplied to you by your employer? It’s not yours.
why the hell would you root a device supplied to you by your employer? It’s not yours.
I don’t, and that’s my whole point. It’s way more locked down than a PC operating system. It’s also mine in the sense, that it is intended to be used for personal stuff, which I do use it for.
I steer clear of doing anything personal with work related devices. but even then, Android at least allows for two separate profiles.
Saw an article just today about Apple allowing other browser renserinenfijes, but only in the EU.
OK, so how do I make iOS think it’s in the EU then?
other browser renserinenfijes
what happened there lmao
Support small refurbishing shops online and buy your phone used from them, and put Linux or another Android fork such as Calyxos or Graphene on them. Works great for me.
Those who buy apple products deserve each other.
Exactly my thoughts. “Let’s jailbreak this, bypass that, circumvent that one thing…” Why do you subject yourself to this with a device you paid hundreds of dollars for?
As much as I’d like to have an iPhone, I’d rather not.
As an aside, it’s the same thing with game consoles. Is the whole “you must be connected to the internet” thing still happening? That’s what has been preventing me from getting a new xbox, for example.
I remember way back when I had my iPod Touch 4 (haven’t touched Apple since then) that I (intentionally) jailbroke it simply by tapping a button on a website in Safari. It was an exploit that used a bug in iOS’s PDF software, I believe.
I remember that technique as well. I thought it was neat.
Steam Deck is pretty awesome in the offline gaming regard, if that’s what you might be looking for.
Uh, it’s actually quite the opposite, most games you need to at least open them one time while connected to the internet for offline to work.
But that is not the fault of Steam Deck, which was discussed.
I’d argue that there are a lot of offline mode frustrations with Steam but none of them are Steam’s fault, they are all due to individual games online requirements or DRM implementations.
but apple sets “standards” that other companies blindly follow. it’s the reason why we have non-removable batteries, no charger inside the box, no audio jack, etc.
I have a macbook and I’m quite happy, what am I doing wrong?
Come back when you have a problem with your keyboard*, or your drive, or charging issue. Repairability is downright bad now.
I like OSX well enough.* I like the form factor of the MacBooks now that they have escape keys again. It’s been 9 years since they made a MacBook that was reasonably decent to work on from the inside though. Even swapping a broken screen out is* like 3 hours now.
Honestly? Nothing. People just say this kind of thing because we like to tinker with our devices. If what you bought satisfies your needs and you don’t need more, that’s just ok. Android/windows/linux has a lot more conveniences for my use, so that’s what I go for, but not everyone is the same
Android/windows/linux has a lot more conveniences for my use
That’s kind of my point. I don’t get the aggression people have for someone using different brand.
I can’t wait to use AI to scam the elderly into side loading bitcoin miners.
of course Apple plans to charge fees for sideloading, a bunch of scumbags, but fear not, Apple fan boys cult members will regurgitate Apple’s propaganda as gospel
Already happening, just look at some comments
The fanboys make me angrier than Apple. It’s so frustrating to discuss something with someone who is so brainwashed.
think about this: to me, all you really toxic people (including the OP, for shame) against Apple are the ones looking quite brainwashed, culty, back-bitey and very small minded. probably because you are. think about that for a second before you snap reply - there ARE more than just your side to this buddy.
And Apples file system sucks
Its restricted af, some people in my class don’t even know what a folder is because of their iPhones (gen z for context)
Yes, well, the whole point is that them following the law means that their assistance warranting fees (like running a store) isn’t required. So I hope they get nailed.
Because of course they are! There goes my plan to try an iPhone when side loading becomes available.
It’ll only be available in the EU.
Why do you want an iPhone?
They have great build quality and software, it’s a shame Apple has some terrible policies about their ecosystem and repairabilty of their devices, wasting the hard work of so many if their brilliant engineers by being greedy.
I know Apple hate party in here but as a person with a bunch of self built PCs couple Linux boxes…
iPhones are great. No messing around, way more private than stock Google, and they work for… well, I’m on five years with mine. Still gets updates too!
If you have the money for an iPhone and consider privacy as important, why not go with a Pixel/GrapheneOS or another phone with Lineage/Divest?
Here is my problem with a nonstandard operating system on a phone.
A rely on it to run my very small business. I don’t want to get blocked by an app I rely on or suddenly have it stop working due to running an unofficial operating system.
So it’s either stock Android or stock iOS. iOS I’d say is more private than Android, so I stick with them.
I don’t see how google would block something unless you are rooted. Custom os’es pass all the security checks besides the os integrity one that doesn’t affect your daily use.
No they don’t, at least not necessarily. I had the xiaomi.eu ROM on my old phone and it broke SafetyN*t checks, and as a consequence at the very least one of my banking apps refused to work (this one I actually need to verify credit card charges in some cases, it’s not just a nice to have unfortunately).
I probably would have been better off rooting it since then you can bypass it I think, but I didn’t want to have to reapply root after every update.
Someone downvoted you INSTANTLY, that’s fucked up.
I choose iOS because it requires zero messing about. I use like no apps on my phone and want it to just be fast forever with no work. I don’t want to have to think about it at all.
Google phones have much better customizability and as result have better privacy than glass paperweight you mentioned.
I’m on five years with mine. Still gets updates too!
Nexus 6 still gets updates 10 years later.
Still they are not as good as Linux-first phones like PPP.
Crapple
Sorry, can’t be bothered with whatever issue this is.
I’m busy shopping for a North Face tent so I’ll have it to camp in the next time a new ear pod case gets released.
I can’t say I am surprised. Apples view is that since they made the device and provided the software they are entitled to a cut of anything that happens on it, because that software makes use of something Apple created.
I don’t agree and think it is a crazy view. But that sort of corporate mindset is one of the reasons I have never been big on Apple products.
Apples view
So, these companies will throw whatever shit at a wall to see what sticks.
Their “view” is constantly probing how low people’s standards are so they can do the least while charging the most.
It’s called “maximizing profit.”
I refuse to ever use a single Apple product.
So… frontloading?
Apple is doing this thing where legislation applies to them and they just try not following it anyway. Trump is truly influential.
As someone who uses both Android and iOS, I appreciate my Pixel 8 Pro running GrapheneOS (a custom version of Android) more and more.
Exactly the same here P8P gOS and using an iPhone as a testing device (Jailbreaking etc)
Do you face recognition or use a password? I can’t get passed pixel 3 for fingerprinting and even that cuz I can manually lock off the truely unstrustable method fingerprinting. That but not well enough. I honestly despise the gorramn pixel and can’t wait til my Librem gets useable.
I use the fingerprint sensor. Don’t get a Librem, it’s a scam and security on it is a disaster. Stick with GrapheneOS. Heck, stock is more secure than the Librem, believe it or not. I wouldn’t touch that thing with a 10ft pole.
I got it already and I have zero doubt in it. Your accusation will not cut me any doubt. I’ve heard that bit extensively and I have an entirely different awareness of it.
Also got Librem 13. Dunno what actually broke on it but I swapped the NVMe on it and sent back within the 3y warranty I bought on it and they sent me it again but it didn’t work and sent it back and they sent me a brand new one. That was after two years and the replacement lasted another two years. Dunno what’s really wrong with it and haven’t messed with trying to fix it myself out of the warranty now yet
I tried for the months to get GrapheneOS to work and made zero success with installing it. Tried CalyxOS after all that and got it done twice with success one one day on each two Pixel 3 and Pixel 4 (XL’s on both, total two days).
How do you get Pixel 8 work with the fingerprint? My 4 stuck me with the gorramn password. Which, in all fairness was the best thing ever because that is thus far the most secure device I’ve set up. Nothing but the password is truely to ONLY secure device arrangeable.
Having different functions available for different passwords at varying levels of accessfor shorter security is the best option that does NOT exist. Even the Librem doesn’t get that higher level of tiered access setup…*sigh…yet.
I won’t stop you from using the Librem but at the end of the day a false sense of security is more damaging than anything else. I can with 100% certainty assure you that even your average Samsung phone has better security than the Librem. A phone with absolute abbysmal and ancient hardware that Purism sells for 10-20 times the cost of an equivalently powerful Android phone from AliExpress. Heck, even the PinePhone (which also runs Linux) sells for like $200 and has better hardware. Purism is a scam company. I know you don’t want to hear this but it’s the truth.
You set up the fingerprint sensor on the Pixel 8 like any other Android phone. Either during first setup or by going into your security settings.
I know better than to ever give Samsung any money let alone any respect or delusion of security.
At the end of the day you are trusting someone you don’t know with all sense of identity, privacy, and knowledge of yourself: location, history, and money.
Fuck that. I’ll take FOSS.
As to fingerprint. How so? There’s no longer a fingerprint reader.
The fact is there’s no privacy without security and the Librem doesn’t have the latter.
The sensor is built into the display.
You trust Samsung. I’ll take you word with a grain of salt.
As to pixel. Ty. I’ll have to look into that.
This is a rather specific question, but can you cast audio from arbitrary apps to WiFi speakers from your Pixel? Similar to airplay on iOS (if that’s what it is called)?
Via Chromecast if the speaker supports it yeah
Top comment by Chris (@SwiftySanders@urbanists.social) Liked by 7 people
I think all these changes that the EU is doing really only benefit large development firms like Spotify and Epic at the expense of the smaller developers. EU is adding additional regulations and requirements from Apple which smaller developers and indie developers will now have to comply with which will act as barriers to entry for some. That’s bad for competition…which I think was ultimately the goal for Epic and Spotify.
I love this braindead take regurgitated again and again and again. The DMA specifically does not apply to anyone smaller than a big monopolistic company. Apple barely made the cut themselves. The whole regulation is about forcing six companies - the Act only applies to them at all - to open up their walled gardens because they are strangling their respective markets and killing innovation, consumer choice and competition.
I had a user on here tell me the DMA is proof that Valve can’t be considered to be in a position of monopoly with Steam because they don’t show up on the list of companies concerned… People don’t understand what the DMA is at all.
To be exact, DMA applies to platforms with >45M users in EU
Not even just that, you have to have at least 7.5B EUR turnover or 75B EUR market cap, AND 45M end users AND 10k business users AND keep this up for 3 years.
And even then it’s not automatic, you get nominated and get arguments, and only then you have to follow it.
I mentioned the six companies because they are the only ones that this currently applies to, and that will be the case for the foreseeable future as well. And even from them, it’s specific products. MacOS is not in scope for example, despite iOS being scoped in.
MacOS is not in scope for example, despite iOS being scoped in.
But is MacOS as much of a walled garden than iOS? Not in the slightest, right? I’m fairly certain you can install random software on MacOS can’t you?
It doesn’t matter if it’s a walled garden with the DMA. Yes, MacOS is not in scope, because it doesn’t have enough users, but Android and Windows totally are.
Least neoliberal new urbanist
It’s brain dead because it’s a kneejerk response without anything backing it up.
EU regulations have a massive positive day-to-day effect on my life. It’s not like they get everything right, but on the grand scale, it’s working better than any other regulatory system I know.
@maynarkh You think app store policies and eu legislation only impacts you. 🤣
Large companies sponsor regulations all the time in an effort to make it harder for the smaller players or just plain greed.
Apple alluded to this in court that implementation of the and that the end result would absolutely be worse for smaller players than what was there before. Welp! 🤷🏾♂️ Smaller player gets screwed.
https://x.com/nikitabier/status/1750592825060921353?s=46&t=kj2zDgWA66Lbbc0rNac6uw
That is hilarious that they expect iOS users to pay a fee to sideload apps. Like comically evil.
I don’t pay anything to side load apps on my phone.
Probably bc I switched to Android.:-)
And I am never ever going back!
You sound like one of those people who said they’d move to Canada when Trump got elected the first time, and didn’t.
… more like someone who already moved away from the US after prior episodes of shitty politics, and was vindicated when Trump was elected
Lolz!:-)
There are several women who would be alive today if they had done so…
Stubbornness can be a positively adaptive trait, but obstinacy in the face of facts not so much, and the same with squeezing your eyes shut REALLY tight to avoid knowing what is going on right in front of you.
This was how it worked for years for developers. First step of testing your app on an iOS device you have is to pay Apple a developer fee. This has been a thing even back in iOS 3 times.
Is it just a one time fee? And what were you paying for, testing to see if it qualified for the app store?
Seems like sideloading would be a different path and goal unless Apple is trying to retain control of that too. To me a lot of the point of users sideloading is to load whatever they want, not what the corporation that made the OS will allow.
Its $100/year for sideloading an infinite amount of alls that don’t disappear. If you don’t pay, you can only sideload up to 3 at a time and they will disappear after a week
I don’t think that’s true at present. You can do it with the free account to sign builds for your own devices. If you need to run a build on a device that isn’t your own, you’ll need a developer account to get a certificate to sign your builds. It’s not great but you don’t have to pay to test your own app out on your own devices.
You can only test 3 apps at a time and they disappear after a week. It doesn’t matter if the device is yours or not.
It’s not the users they’re charging, it’s the developers. Instead of having to pay 30%, they’re asking for 27% if they’re selling their app side loaded.
Defeating the whole purpose.
Those numbers are from using outside payment methods and not side loading.
