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Shouldnt have exited from the EU ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Can Canada take UK’s spot?
Wasn’t my choice. I was 10.
Vote to rejoin.
I will as soon as the opportunity presents itself.
Oh my God that was 8 years ago what the fuck
Time to start the rejoin in only another 10 years or so I think. We’ll be voting on single market membership again before the decade is out I think.
It’s incredible how that decision fucked the country for decades. One of the best examples why “direct democracy” does not guarantee good decisions just because it was the people’s choice.
It wasn’t direct democracy though.
No member of the public ever voted on the legislation.
If the legislation has been put to the public and the referendum bound it to law I think it would have gone differently.
The vote relied people voting for their own version of Brexit vs. the status quo.
I’m not a fan of direct democracy by any means but Brexit isn’t an example of it.
Ah, okay, so the referendum was just more like a consultation whether brexit should happen, but the badly done legislation came afterwards (which people probably wouldn’t have voted for)?
Exactly.
People were simultaneously told different things by different people on what would happen of the country voted leave. A lot of it obviously false even at the time.
People might have known what they were voting for. But what they were voting for had no basis on what the government would actually do.
Then we had the prime minister who held the referendum resign.
A new prime minister is chosen in a private election amongst members of the conservative party (about 100,000 votes will do it normally but no one actually runs against them). This becomes a theme.
There is legislation passed which essentially puts a clock on the process. If nothing passes we’d just revoke laws and break treaties.
This was meant to scare the EU into giving us what we wanted. The EU was not overly concerned.
The government put some very shoddy legislation together. We got a pretty poor deal from the EU, well we were pretty desperate.
The government couldn’t pass that legislation
We had an election for a new government
The government lost seats and lost their majority
The government then joined with a religious extremist party in Northern Ireland to give them a majority.
The shoddy legislation becomes not only shoddy but also more extreme, It still can’t pass.
The prime minister is ousted by their own party.
We get a new prime minister.
They still haven’t decided on the legislation but they tell everyone what they want to hear.
We have an election
The government gets a big working majority
The shoddy extreme legislation, which we now know from first hand accounts the prime minister didn’t understand, still can’t pass.
The government literally breaks the law and closes parliament illegally to try and run the clock closer to the point where we take a bonfire to massive ammous of legislation.
The government are then forced back into the house by the courts
Eventually at the last moment a deal is passed. It’s really bad for the UK economy, and the UK in general.
The UK leaves the EU. Northern Ireland doesn’t. Well it sort of does.
COVID and Another 2 prime ministers later and Brexit deals are still being negotiated.
Essentially he EU has everything it needs. It’s protected the interests of bordering nations like the Republic of Ireland and France. The UK has increased friction on trade, labour issues.
The current big issue is that France no longer helps us stop people crossing the channel. That was an EU agreement. So our government, now spends it’s time and energy trying to deport people to Rwanda, breaking the entirely separate European Convention on Human Rights Churchill’s government basically wrote and passed after the second world war.
It’s worth noting that this government has had a vote share of 36.1% pre referendum in 2015 36.9% post referendum in 2017 42.4% post deadlock in 2019 (with the opposition getting 40%)
The conservative party got that lock in 2019 on 55% of the seats with 42.4% of the vote
Since then they’ve rotated people in and out of government to essentially do the bidding of the one who pays the most into their individual campaign funds against each other.
The government refuse to allow an election even while they’re essentially changing constantly.
We haven’t really got democracy in this country. We disenfranchise a lot of people through our electoral system by design. We concentrate power to a minority.
It’s a mess.
Congratulations you made everyone feel old
When I was your age, I was already 15
Reee kids get out
One thing I’ve learned living in a conservative state in the US is that everything is my fault by proxy
I should just be rich enough to move, how hard can it be
Have you just tried having more money?
Just ask daddy for a loan smh
I really wish this was a joke but it fucking isnt.
“We should just build a wall around your state and force it to secede. All the LGBT+ and POC should relocate immediately because it’s not safe to live there.”
“What about all the people who can’t afford to move? What about all the people living on tribal land?”
“Oh, them? Hmmm. They should move, too. Again.”
The fact is, right-wing extremism shouldn’t be tolerated anywhere. Putting all the fascists “on an island” doesn’t fix anything because there will always be children and other people who never asked to be there, yet have to suffer.
But there’s millions of them.
Even if we don’t tolerate them, what should we do with them?
what if we just put them all on an island and then blew it up immediately
rich enough to move
Just so we’re clear, you’re simultaneously too rich to move (like a Guatemalan farmer) and too poor to move (like a IT graduate)?
Haha nice trolling bro
Excuses excuses.
I meant this comment more in regards to your lovely voting peers in the country you have to reside in.
Wish you best of luck rejoining the EU!
brexit went great huh?
The people who voted Brexit weren’t concerned about their ability to side load apps
the people who voted brexit werent concerned about a lot considering the post vote google searches for “what is brexit”
It wasn’t my dumb idea.
All other countries without sideloading mandates
We’re as shitty as we’re legally allowed to be
- AppleFrom Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty, it’s part of their brand. Apple products are all about stupid proofing. Its hard to fuck it up, its hard to download a malicious app or virus. Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is. Believe it or not that’s the majority of users. Side loading wont effect profits but thats because the large majority of their customer base will never use it. Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy, so of course they won’t give it to us unless they are forced to do so.
From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty
No shit.
From Hitler’s perspective, he was saving Germany too. Why would I give a shit about that perspective?
Maybe it will help you be less pissy about something you cant change. Accept the fact that Apple will never change due to this fundamental business strategy and move on to a company that doesnt rely on babying their mindless customers. Or I dunno, fuck it, keep pissing in the wind and crying about smelling bad.
No. Still punching Nazis and Apple fan bois in the face for supporting fascistic backwards authoritarians.
I won’t give apple another dime. I made the decision like 10 years ago and stuck with it.
The only reason I have to care is that you can’t avoid hearing about apple and their shitty business practices on a near daily basis.
Complaining about a company being shitty is reasonable. Deal with it and just simp harder.
We’re never going to shut up about Apple. Ever. Anyone who doesn’t like it is free to not read it!
Yo you and everyone else replying to me need to slow down and read carefully. I’m telling you you cant change it SO GO BUY SOMETHING ELSE. Holy fuck, the shit I said above is not a compliment to apple. If you don’t get that then you are Apple’s target audience cause goddamn ya fuckin need stupid proofing.
need to slow down and read carefully
The irony.
Apple products are all about stupid proofing.
Where do we draw the line between a functioning computer and chromebook? an IoT device? Stupid-proofing should not come at the cost of basic functionality.
Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is.
No, it does not. Users attempting to sideload an app would obviously be warned, not to mention various other methods of malware scanning / sandboxing which can alleviate that non-existant issue.
Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy.
Creating Fisher Price computers is not a valid business strategy, and serves as a detriment for all users regardless of proficency. User freedom is beneficial for absolutely everyone.
True but don’t try Tinder dating with an Android phone, lol. Apple products get you dates!
https://www.garnerstyle.com/2023/07/tech-wars-why-some-women-think-android.html
Any women who (who we’re already assuning I’m interested in enough to take on a date) won’t go on a date with me because of my phone’s OS are dodged bullets imo.
Technology isn’t to enable users to do what they want, but to let corporations do what they can get away with.
Speak for yourself; I use Free Software.
I finally made the plunge to Linux desktop for all work in 2016 and have not looked back (and occasional windows VM, extremely rare now.) Even Arch is now perfectly fine as a workstation which surprised me. Recommend EndeavourOS to streamline the install process but it’s Arch underneath.
Welcome to the good side. ;)
I’ve been running Linux since I could afford a 386 in '94. (and learned years later a 386SX would have run it as well) Every time I need to work on Windows for an employer the 1st thing I do is find who can help mne fix windows when I break it. (I seem to be pretty good at that, although it doesn’t seem to be a huge skill)
From the perspective of the people who make the crap, corporations are the users.
To be fair that’s not limited to Apple. Any company will follow the law to the letter, and lobby to change the law in their favour.
Ok, but Android wouldn’t have to allow sideloading by that logic, yet…
Google does indeed use Google Play Services to gate-keep the Ecosystem while keeping Android technically FOSS. Still better than Apple in this case, but hey… would you rather be hanged or beheaded?
Not all Android apps use Play Services, do they?
No but many of them. Play Services gets more and more functions that used to be part of the Android operating system. Some very basic functionalities are assisted GPS or Push notifications.
Imagine buying a piece of hardware and actually owning it.
Imagine buying a piece of hardware knowing full well that doesn’t work the way you want it to and then bitching that it doesn’t work the way you want it to
There are no phone OSes that work the way we want, so we should just never say anything, as consumers?
LineageOS does pretty well for me. Don’t know what youre talking about.
grapheneos, calyxos, lineageos, etc.
If these supported phones I actually wanted I’d consider it. Even better if they weren’t a pain in the ass to install.
I recently installed GrapheneOS on a pixel 7 pro. Waaaay easier than lineageOS. As long as you have the drivers installed on your pc and opposable thumbs, it’s a breeze.
Problem is that I bought a 5a and had the screen die just out of the extended warranty and they wouldn’t help me out. Giving money to Google is always a mistake, never again.
I predicted Apple would use country lockouts for this stuff when the news first came out.
Ask your government to take action, it’s the only way Apple might even consider loosening their iron fist on your phone. Undoing Brexit may not be in the charts, but the UK could probably get something similar to the DMA/DSA. It might even be more effective, as the EU’s requirements are spread across the preferences and markets of dozens of countries and cultures, whereas the UK is a lot smaller!
another brexit benefit we stay winning /s
5 eyes spy network countries. No surprise there.
That’s not the reason. The only reason is because they are not part of the EU.
Well we’re part of Eurovision and that’s basically the same thing.
You know, I’d not be surprised if some brexit votes were to leave Eurovision. :P
Apple really fucking hates user freedom and choice.
Apple haters have ALWAYS found something to wrap their hate around and then march on parade; this is just the latest. Just join the line at the back…
Or buy something else.
Well the one thing you’re right about is that I don’t buy Apple.
Then stfu?
apple gives you the patriotic freedom to defend a company taking away freedom
Always have. They want money, not fans
Well, it’s just capitalism, ain’t it. The goal of the company is to generate as much revenue as possible. That is why we need to regulate the market and everyone who says else is probably a rich asshole who does not care about others.
I still don’t understand why people would want iOS if you plan to do off-brand stuff like sideload non apple appstore applications. You are just torturing yourself just so you can still have an iPhone.
I don’t want an iPhone, and it’s a long story as to why I’m stuck with one.
Honestly it could be that developing and maintaining these region-locked differences in OS might be more expensive than saving every last penny from not allowing piracy (which is the real deal for this fuss).
Big majority of android users don’t sideload either, most people are so technically illiterate they don’t really grasp the idea of an App Store overall, it’s just a place for them the get an Instagram button on a new device
not allowing piracy
It’s not piracy, it’s about not having to pay Apple a cut just because you’re selling to customers on their platform.
What is side loading?
Something Android has had since version 1.0: the ability to install apps from places other than the App Store.
Ahh yeah i love that about Android. I never knew apple was so locked down, i should have known though
It’s not even something to love. It should in the definition of a mobile OS/phone. It would be weird to say “I love that Android can output display”.
There are ways to sideload apps on iOS, but it’s pain in the ass. From my memory (may not be 100% correct as of today):
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many 3rd party apps not allowed in apps store are distributed in source code form. use xcode to compile the app yourself and load it to your phone. Works for a week, then you’ll have to install it again. Oh, and you can only install three at a time.
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there are 3rd party apps stores that sort of working by distributing their developer certificates along with the 3rd party apps (e.g. tweakboxapp, etc). You’ll need to trust the developer certificates before you can install the apps. Oh, and apple frequently revoked their certificates so you’ll going to play cat and mouse with apple.
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use altstore.io to install 3rd party app. The same 3 apps limit still apply, but this app automatically manage reinstallation for you, so it can reduce the pain of managing sideloaded apps just a bit.
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Praise the EU
This gonna affect switzerland too or am i just gonna have to wait and see haha?
You’ll be able to sideload. The mandate includes the EEA (which includes Switzerland), as well as the EU.
Thanks!
Enjoy your walled garden, you paid for it.
I got it for free. It used to be my Gran’s.
I don’t know how to interpret this comment
Gran is short for Grandma. Hope that helps clarify.
not sure that was the problem
He saying he didn’t pay for the walled garden he’s now stuck in, he inhereted the iPhone.
When is a gift not a gift?
Ooh I know this one
When it’s a jar!
So how big is this garden?
He got a hand-me-down iPhone because he’s poor, and has decided it’s better than no phone, but is sad it’s still a walled garden despite other people being rescued.
Is there a joke I’m missing?
Oh, I though we were talking about a physical garden
“Minimizes diminished App Store revenue”
I am an Apple user and in the end I’m more comfortable with them having access to my data than google… but man, they don’t even bother to pretend it’s a pro-consumer issue thing anymore.
Been noticing that a lot lately, corporate weasel language is dying as these companies grow more and more emboldened.
It’s a matter of time. Other countries just need a copy paste law. Apple knows this. But right now it’s worth it to keep 2 systems around.
I’m getting real tired of corpo doublespeak. It’s everywhere right now and I feel like people are finally getting wise to it. I don’t want to hear whatever made up by committee garbage you came up with. Give us an answer.
Both Google and Apple sell your data to the same companies. It’s kinda the point of them having ‘an ecosystem’ (monopolized ofc).
All “privacy” efforts they made with their OSs were exclusively so third party apps can collect less data from you and have to buy data from Google/Apple.
Proof that Apple sell your data?
The op I replied to? Apples quarterly revenue statements? Their terms you agree to? Explicit ‘Apple privacy policy’ on the subject?
Both Apple and Google restrict third party app privacy not for your protection/increased privacy but to monopolize data collection. Eg Facebook vs Meta was a few years ago a fairly public fight.
But on both OSs you don’t really have the option to restrict data collection from their services (on some Androids you can’t even disable Google services, much less uninstall them). And Google also pays several billions per quarter to Apple to be the default search
data collectionengine.It is true tho that companies differ a lot so the data collection is different too (the biggest difference is that Apple doesn’t have that much need for user data since it isn’t really in personalized ad business).
Just use something AOSP with F-droid. It will be much better for privacy.
