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Gen Z is choosing not to drive::Less Gen Z Americans own a driver’s license than previous generations, according to consulting firm McKinsey.
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They’re choosing not to drive for the same reason they’re choosing to be more thrifty, choosing not to go to college, choosing to live with their parents longer, and choosing not to buy homes. See if you can find the common denominator.
idk, I have a car and a job that pays well enough that I don’t feel right for gas money and such, but I’ll still walk/public transit/bike when it’s not terribly inconvenient and I feel like a lot of my same generation coworkers feel the same way.
sure money might be part of it for some, but definitely not the driving force in my circles
Are they choosing, or can’t they afford to own a car with insurance and petrol costs going through the roof?
I saw a 1998 corolla for sale on the street for $5000. The basic buy-in for anything these days it insane. This “market rate” shit needs to die.
Toyota Corollas are really popular though. For a Kia of the same age the previous owner will pay you 5k if you take it off their hands.
You drive a hard bargain, but you have a deal.
My son is getting gifted an electric car from a family friend.
He still doesn’t really give a shit about getting a license, it’s crazy to me.
I think there’s also the issue of where do kids have to go hang out anymore?
By and large, malls are dead/dying, and some don’t even allow unsupervised kids anymore.
Movies are expensive. Restaurants are expensive. Concerts are expensive (if you’re lucky enough to live somewhere with easy access to concert venues, if you’re in the suburbs you probably have an uphill battle trying to convince your parents to let you go wandering around the city unsupervised to go to a concert) Arcades basically don’t even exist anymore.
They can barely even go hang out in a park without being harassed by some Karen or the cops, and of course parks usually close at dusk and kind of depend on the weather being decent so in many places there’s a good chunk of the year where parks are undesirable.
You can hang out at your friends’ houses, but depending on your area there’s a decent chance that they may be in walking or biking distance so no need for a car, and if you’re just going to be hanging around the house, not a big deal for Mom or Dad to drop you off/pick you up, not like you’re going to really need a car while you’re there, you got nowhere to go anyway. And of course we get some parents these days who are really weird about their kids going over to other people’s homes, which leaves staying home and hanging out online.
About the only thing I can think of that I used to do as a kid that might still be accessible for kids and might necessitate them having their own car is to go hang out at the local comic/game shop to play magic, d&d, etc. Because most of them are pretty cool about people just coming to hang out, but even that could really be a “hey parental unit, can I get a ride?” kind of thing.
Plus, if you have a tight group of friends you always hang out with, you may only need a couple drivers. Even going back to when I was a teen/young adult, a lot of my friends didn’t have a license and many of them who did didn’t have their own car or couldn’t count on borrowing their parents’ car. I know the core group I hung out with was probably around 6-10 people, and one other guy and I did 99% of our driving whenever we went to do something because we were the ones with cars. Probably up until I was about 23 I spent a lot of time picking friends up and giving them rides places because I had a car and they didn’t.
Well, probably a bit of both. For many people, a car isn’t a necessity, so they can choose to not afford it…
The article’s metric seems to be whether or not they own a driver’s license, not a car. So whether or not they can afford to own a car isn’t really a part of this article’s dataset, although they do touch on why they don’t own a car in the article as well.
Try living in Singapore, where it now costs SGD146,000 (USD106,000) just to have the right to own a car for ten years (a Certificate of Entitlement).
To be clear, that fee doesn’t actually buy you a car, it’s simply the cost of being allowed to own a car. For ten whole years, then you need to buy another one.
“A new standard Toyota Camry Hybrid costs around S$250,000 [~USD186,500] in Singapore, which includes the cost of a COE and taxes. That is about six times more expensive than in the US.”
It’s certainly one way to encourage the public to use mass transit (which is pretty good, luckily!).
Singapores population density is 232 times higher than in USA
I wouldn’t use the whole USA, should compare with metro areas
Singapour is also a country reduced to a city, so that certainly makes transportation easier. The US is on the opposite of the spectrum.
But are you really going to claim that a lot of people are commuting from New york to San Francisco daily (or even across one state?)
Singapore is just as big as NYC, and almost as dense. Cross border commuters from Malaysia do exist but are not the norm because it’s a big pain.
Also what’s true is Singapore might be true in NYC but NYC is not the norm in US, it’s the exception.
“choosing”
On other news: disabled people are choosing not to walk.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
“Maybe they don’t want to drive because they’re looking for a sustainable option, such as public transportation, ride-sharing, or e-scooters,” McKinsey analysts wrote.
“It’s also possible that a sputtering economy and inflation tinged their entry into adulthood, discouraging spending on big-ticket items such as cars,” McKinsey said.
But McKinsey analysts point out that previous generations of Americans had also appeared less interested in driving but went behind the wheel of cars eventually.
“It’s too early to tell whether the no-driving trend will hold with Gen Z, especially given the changes happening in the mobility and automotive markets,” McKinsey analysts pointed out.
The automotive industry is changing with the mainstreaming of the so-called shared mobility market, which includes car ride-sharing, scooters, and in the future, self-driving automobiles.
“And for those Gen Zers who decide that driving just isn’t for them, they can keep themselves busy with TikTok in the passenger seat—or get behind the wheel in the metaverse.”
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My first car cost $900 in the 90’s. It was a '91 bronco 2 that had the driver’s-side door replaced and spray painted the approximate colors of the rest of the car. Bought it from some dude selling it along the road. My theory is that gen z’ers are just too picky to live like we did “back in the day” so they say they can’t afford things like cars when the real problem is that they can’t afford the cars they WANT
“Less Gen Z Americans own a driver’s license than previous generations”
This isn’t about cars they want.
This is more of a general response to all the “YeaH, cHooSe…” comments
I’m in my 40’s and only got my license 5 years ago. As well as environmental and economic reasons a big part of my refusal was power. A drivers license is the main way the state exerts power over the people. You should see a cops face when you tell them you don’t have a drivers license, they lose their biggest threat against you. In the end I had to drive for work and I try to avoid doing so at all costs.
Do you not have ID cards in your country? In Canada we have ID cards and drivers licenses that are exactly the same minus one letting you drive
I’m Canadian and had a BYID card issued by the LCBO. But the police can’t threaten to take it away from you as a means of control.
I had no idea BYID cards were a thing. That’s interesting though
Almost no one did. They stopped the age of majority card at the time and there wasn’t any replacement so they made that. It only lasted a few years. It was a really fake looking and I got a lot of doubting looks from bouncers and bankers and such. It took a force of will to get it accepted sometimes.
Now you can get a the same card as a drivers license but it’s a different colour I think.
What can a cop do about your driving license if you’re not driving when he talks to you?
Mostly I mean it pegs you to the system and the threat of losing it keeps you in line.
“choosing”
Just like they’re “choosing” not to own houses either I guess
The unit of measure in this article is whether or not they have a diver’s licence, not a car…I’m pretty sure even gen Zers can afford a driver’s license. Not having a driver’s licence is very much a choice, to a much higher degree than owner a car (or house)
In places like Finland it costs over a thousand euros to get your driver’s license. That’s less than a car obviously but not nothing either
That still sounds on the cheap side for Europe, in some countries you’ll easily have spent north of 2k€ on all the mandatory lessons and exams, or even more if you’re a slow learner or fail the tests a few times.
Yeah it costs around 2k Euros where I live, which is enough to also buy a small beater…but this article is US-focused only, and it’s significantly cheaper to get a licence in the US, hence my comment.
If you work hard and save up, you could live in a nice van down by the river!
Car and a home all in one? What a bargain!
It costs about 400K to 500K where I live to buy a house that used to be around 150K 30 years ago. Times are fucked
When my parents bought my childhood home in the 90’s they paid 150k euros for it and when they sold it in 2010 or so they got around 300k I believe. While it’s more money it’s not worth the double. It pretty much cost that much to buy their 2-room apartment then
I assume lots of Gen Z can only afford like 2 liters of gas anyways let alone a car…
