• ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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    10 months ago

    I wonder if treating the Houthis as Iranian agents and retaliating against Iranian assets directly would be more effective than playing whack-a-mole against these missile launchers without addressing the source of the problem. I assume Biden’s advisors are wondering the same thing, but it’s hard to know where the line between deterrence and escalation is…

    Iran has enemies. Maybe the thing to do is to arm them and let them take the heat, just like Iran is doing with the Houthis…

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      10 months ago

      but maybe the thing to do is to find some sympathetic group, arm them, and let them take the heat

      Hmm. I wonder if anyone has tried that yet?

      Sympathetic guys armed by the US to fuck with Iran include Saddam Hussein, ISIS and Israel.

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        10 months ago

        I don’t think it’s technically correct to say that the US armed ISIS; ISIS seized weapons that the US provided to Iraq.

        Israel does a pretty good job of opposing Iran, and we can be confident that weapons provided to Israel aren’t going to be used against the US. I think it’s likely that the Houthis are acting up now not because they’re provoked by Israel but because Israel is preoccupied with something else.

        As for Saddam Hussein… He did a very good job of opposing Iran. The threat of eight years of war and hundreds of thousands of Iranian soldiers dead would be a very effective stick if we still had access to it. It’s ironic that the weak, pro-Iran government that is the result of US intervention in Iraq seems like it’s worse for US interests than Saddam was.

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      10 months ago

      I stand with anyone doing their part to pressure the US and Israel in ending their genocide. ❤️

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      10 months ago

      If you stand with the Yemeni government then you want the Houthis gone.

      Can you even find Yemen on a map.

      • تحريرها كلها ممكن@lemmy.ml
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        1. Ansar Allah are the legitimate government of Yemen. Anyone who suggests otherwise is delusional.
        2. Not only can I find it, I live directly to the north of it (Saudi Arabia). عاش اليمن الشقيق.
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          10 months ago

          Being excited about things doesn’t make them real. You’ll understand that after the tenth or twentieth disappointment.

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            10 months ago

            Yemen has already won, the US has been fighting it since 2004, all that’s left is for the US to understand it lost. Though I predict its crazy politicians will keep repeating their mistakes expecting a different outcome.

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              10 months ago

              American soldiers definitely lose. Civilians definitely lose. Americans and their military industrial complex have definitely been treating the middle East as a training ground for 2+ decades.

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    10 months ago

    Years of Saudi air strikes with US weapons systems ended in a victory for the Houthis. Not to mention causing one of the worst humanitarian situations of the 21st century.

    WTF does the US think it’s gonna do other than escalate the situation (and continue the next record breaking humanitarian crisis)?

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    10 months ago

    What ever happened to talking and reaching an agreement and asking for favors and scratching each other back… like now we resort to uncivilized behavior by attacking the poorest countries.

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      10 months ago

      I don’t think there’s much negotiating with a terrorist organization indiscriminately attacking international shipping

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        10 months ago

        “Hey, do you want you and your families to stop suffering from a lack of food, clean water, healthcare, and housing? We can fix that.”

        Might be a start. But it’s never approached that way.

        People don’t usually want to be terrorists. The places these people come from are the poorest on earth and don’t know anything other than suffering and exploitation.

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          Their flag says “death to America, death to Israel, curse be upon the Jews”. In some sense, I think you can’t blame an oppressed group for radicalizing in an attempt to improve their situation. But it’s hard to sympathize with a militant, anti-semitic terrorist organization.

          Personally, I think the US should end the Prosperity Guardian operation. It should end support for Israel. And it should end oil imports. This will push America more towards decarbonization while reducing America’s interest in the Middle East. But that will raise gas prices, so it’ll never happen.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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        The only terrorist organization here is the “coalition” that the burger empire scraped together. Yemen is interdicting shipping from countries supporting a literal genocide through their sovereign waters. Meanwhile, the terrorists from US and UK are bombing Yemen for this.

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        Out of curiosity why did YOU use the word terrorist? Have you ever heard of the movie Avatar, Star Wars, Space Balls? It’s simply too easy to label someone a threat/terrorist, but come on entire countries, like are you agreeing that each creature/living breathing mammal as a terrorist?

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        10 months ago

        Actually they can’t, they have a legal obligation under the UN Convention on Genocide to take extra-territorial actions in order to stop or prevent genocide. They are acting within international law. The ships going to Israel despite the active genocide are violating international law and complicit in the genocide themselves.

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    10 months ago

    Q: Are the airstrikes in Yemen working?

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, when you say “working,” are they stopping the Houthis? No. Are they going to continue? Yes.

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      10 months ago

      The nuclear attack on Japan wasn’t intended to defeat them - they were already essentially defeated, just trying to find a more favorable way to lose. The nuclear attack’s purpose was to intimidate the USSR, as a power flex. The reason nuclear weapons are a deterrent isn’t because a couple of nukes hitting your country is a problem - that’s just a minor inconvenience when it comes to war. The reason nuclear weapons are a deterrent is because the countries that do have them have a lot of them, and can destroy not just a couple important cities, but cover your entire country in radioactive waste.

      Not only will your “plan” not achieve its goal, but it will also hurt hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of civilians. I know it’s popular to associate a people with a government, and that’s not completely baseless, but - and I can’t believe I have to say this - that’s absolutely no reason to launch a nuclear attack. That’s just genocidal nonsense. There’s a reason countries at war don’t kill civilians, and it’s not “good will”.

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      10 months ago

      Do you actually think America wouldn’t go absolutely ape trying to find who nuked them? Do you not remember 911 when the whole country collectively lost it’s mind?