Anyone know what Hamas says? Do they say they want peace between them and Israel?
Read their fundamental documents. Hamas wants peace and a sovereign Palestinian state where Jews and Arabs can thrive peacefully among each other. Unfortunately the Zionist Entity has a different meaning of peace where all Palestinians regardless of being Muslims, Christians or Jews are ethnically cleansed and their lands settled by White Settlers.
That part of their charter implies Islamic government is the ONLY way for peace in the region. Islam also has rules for those who don’t convert.
Edit: to be clear their laws for those who don’t convert are dogshit.
There are, yeah, and they’re pretty tolerant of other religions (especially Judaism and Christianity).
Yes, actually. They changed their charter in 2017 to reflect that.
Interesting to me, that Israel, the country that is most well known for cyber security and big tough guys who are good at martial arts, can’t find random Hamas insurgents and take them out with precision strikes. No, it has to be artillery.
You really think they don’t know where Hamas’ leaders are? They know, but it’s probably impossible to kill them, since they hide under hospitals in underground tunnels, and no type of ammunition can penetrate 30m deep underground without obliterating the building above it. No country in the world has faced these kinds of fighting conditions, and even the U.S had trouble fighting in the middle east because of probably these same reasons.
They’re not fighting another army, with a base and well defined targets. They’re fighting a terror organization operating from civilian homes.
“stop the bombs”… But only incoming ones, not outgoing ones from Gaza because they’re friendly rockets which are a symbol for peace! Look, we’re such peaceful people who want peace!
Obviously Israel should just stop its efforts of freeing over 200 kidnapped citizens. Oh they also should pack up their bags, leave their home, kiss Hamas’s feet, thank them for massacring civilians and pillageing homes, and let them take the entirety of Israeli land and start a new state called Iran.2.0.
Maybe then jews in Berlin won’t have stars of david sprayed on their homes.
Obviously Israel should just stop its efforts of freeing over 200 kidnapped citizens.
Yes, freeing those citizens from life by bombing them.
There is literally no other way of entering Gaza on foot but to bomb the area beforehand. Dead soldiers won’t bring back any kidnapped prisoners.
Saving a few alive is better than adding hundreds of dead soldiers, entering their death to underground narrow death tunnels, filled with traps.
There’s no reason to invade in the first place. Hamas has already asked for negotiations to free the hostages. “Saving a few or saving none” is a false dichotomy.
No reason to invade? And they’re supposed to do what, say “ok don’t do it again thx bye” to Hamas???
Hamas proved their lack of willingness to do anything but kill (Israelis and their own citizens). If Israel just backs down in a few years they’ll have another attack, much bigger this time. There’s no other way but to destroy Hamas, who no matter what are set only on death.
Any state in this world, after events like oct.7 would destroy the ones responsible. And saying they should just work towards peace, at this point, is gullible and delusional.
They assume they have obliterated Hamas when all Palestinians are dead.
If that were their goal 2 million would’ve been obliterated already. Stop assuming they’re racist and think what they can do from their perspective. They have over 200 kidnapped, mostly civilians, and they’re dealing with a group which proved physically that their only goal is killing civilians for terror.
Stop assuming they’re racist and think what they can do from their perspective.
Bro they’re literally committing warcrimes according to the UN. Examples include:
Bombing refugee trucks fleeing North Gaza.
Giving orders to evacuate to certain locations and then bombing them.
Using white phosphorus.
They have over 200 kidnapped, mostly civilians,
Well in that case don’t bomb them because they’re also dying in these attacks.
Using white phosphorus? No legit source confirmed that. That’s some nice propaganda by Hamas who have been proven to lie constantly.
Idk about the 2 other claims, but it’s easy to believe them. I’d like to think they had a good reason bombing so called “safe spaces” but the truth is that there couldn’t be a safe place in Gaza right now. Not when Hamas is legit everywhere.
And about the kidnapped, do you really think they can just march into the tunnels and just grab them and say bye? Dead soldiers can’t save anyone. They’d rather kill some and actually rescue some, than keeping them alive while getting hundreds if not thousands of soldiers running to their deaths in trapped underground tunnels. Doing a ground invasion without bombing the area first is just suicide.
Seriously, what the hell do you expect Israel to do in that situation. Think for just a second from their perspective and you’ll realize what they’re doing is necessary.
Using white phosphorus? No legit source confirmed that.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/israel-white-phosphorus-used-gaza-lebanon
There you go.
Idk about the 2 other claims, but it’s easy to believe them. I’d like to think they had a good reason bombing so called “safe spaces” but the truth is that there couldn’t be a safe place in Gaza right now. Not when Hamas is legit everywhere.
And that justifies bombing trucks full of refugees?
Doing a ground invasion without bombing the area first is just suicide.
Nobody said do a ground invasion in the first place. Negotiations are obviously the way to go here.
That article literally starts with “Beirut, oc.12”. Saying lebanon are a good source of facts is delusional.
And that justifies bombing trucks full of refugees?
Again, source? And not an obviously biased one. Either way though, I can see that happening as a part of a war. Hamas are literally hiding between innocent women and babies, and that means those women and babies are killed. Does Israel have a hand in those deaths? Yes. Is Hamas responsible for those people? 200% yes and much more than Israel. Hamas started this attack very well prepared militarily, and with zero civilian infrastructure preparations. Not only did they not think of “what’ll become of our civilians” they actively hold them from running to the south (which is still less bombed than the north). Blaming Israel and protesting against Israel is just ignoring the other side being completely wrong
Oh ok so 1400 dead and 200 kidnapped and they’re supposed to just tap Hamas on the wrist and call it a day?
Israel’s response is deadly, and 100% known since day 1 by anyone who is even a bit knowledgeable on the conflict. And that includes Hamas, which just disregard their citizens as colletaral damage in the pursuit of their lunatic jihad mindset.
Hamas hides in civilian places. In return, Israel bombs said civilian places, killing everyone but mostly uninvolved innocent folks, most of those are children. And yet when they try to leave, Hamas won’t let them, and Israel bombs the exit anyway.
I feel like these two guys are secretly allied to commit genocide or something.
And yes, I’m waiting for the downvotes to come in. I don’t even care anymore. Just press the button.
Your take is way more chill than the others I’ve seen that secretly support Hamas. You seem honest about the situation while others lean way too heavily on one side - which is scary to think that a rational position is a hot take nowadays.
Ah yes, Hamas, the 7000 innocent men women and children murdered must have all been Hamas members. The entire strip is Hamas according to the IDF. That’s why its necessary to deprive children of food, shelter, water, and medical attention, all while raining hell down on them 24 hours a day. Makes perfect sense. They just have to you guys don’t you get it all the palestinians are hamas, and those journalists they murdered they’re all hamas too!
7000… Isn’t that number from Hamas? I’m pretty critical of Israel’s reaction to the terror attacks myself but taking Hamas’ numbers at face value and to propagate that number without questioning it is extremely naive.
They recently released a list of everyone who died in the last few weeks, with names and national IDs, numbering about 6400 IIRC. I think we can believe that. They said there were 200 or so unidentified victims.
Well think about it. At this point, after all the trauma, how many of those kids are future Hamas? Gotta be safe.
I get the joke but there’s also the question of how many kids are currently Hamas, when kids include anyone under 18 then some of those kids are already going to be actively engaged in combat for Hamas.
Or did we think that in Gaza everyone waits until they’re 18 before getting involved?
Or did we think that in Gaza everyone waits until they’re 18 before getting involved?
Probably not considering the average age in Gaza is 19.
That’s genocide at this point, and Israel is a Nazi state.
There, I said it.
If Israel were nazis, you wouldn’t hear cries of civilians injured, because 2 million would’ve been wiped out.
No. Israel is really not Nazi Germany, who killed its own citizens out of racism. Israel is fighting aggressive neighbors who will do anything to kill them. Don’t confuse the two, it’s a dangerous comparison since it’s so wrong.
Isreal has been slowly killing these people for over 50 years. They have also been killing Palestinian, American and Canadian reporters who report on it as well.
When reporters are going into active warzones, they get killed. Big shock!
And Palestinian’s deaths are just as much on the hands of Hamas as they are on the hands of Israel. Since day 1 Hamas’s creed was annihilating Israel and its citizens, and they were true on those words. Do you expect Israel to just do nothing and let them grow even larger than what they’re already are? Do Israelis deserve no safety? Israel prioritizes its citizens’ safety above that of Gazans, and no one in the world can fault them for that, since every other single state in the world would do the same.
Israel is a democracy ranked by the Economist to be more democratic than the US. All Israeli citizens have the same rights even the Israeli muslim citizens. In contrast every other country in the region discriminates against jews. Most do not let jews enter the country and have a history of previously expulsing jews. This is literally the definition of being a nazi state.
Ranked higher than a country where many believe there to only be one valid party and that if the other party gains power that the entire democratic system will collapse and bring Armageddon?
That’s who you’re comparing against?
The Economist also ranks Israel higher than Italy, India, Belgium, Poland or Croatia. Israel is top 29 in the democracy index.
So basically what you are saying is that the government represents the people and therefore most Israelis agree to commit genocide?
Israel is never going to commit genocide and you now it
Then what’s happening in the West Bank? Because currently one example of it starts with p and ends with ogroms.
