LOL
What a garbage article. Elon sucks, the cyber truck sucks, but an article about tweets is less than worthless. Perhaps the article instead of assuming elon just “didn’t have time to run tesla properly”, should dig a bit deeper and demonstrate that tesla was successful despite elon, not because of elon. Same with Space-X or Star-link.
Now as far as why the cyber truck is getting stuck in snow, tires is the low-effort answer, but maybe look at the weight of the truck versus the contact area. Maybe look at how the traction control system works? How about whether the car is front wheel bias vs rear-wheel biased. Does it make assumptions about which wheels have contact to the ground? Does it have a differential or are all 4 wheels independently controlled? (I don’t know the answer to any of these by the way, but if I were concerned about a vehicle getting stuck in the snow, I’d certainly want an analysis that addresses all of the above.)
Welcome to modern “journalism”, throwing together a few sentences based on twitter and reddit posts, without any research or asking experts.
Snow is 90% about tires. Proper snow tires make a dramatic difference. I’m sure any other truck would get stuck in the same place. They have MUCH poorer weight distribution.
Lol no, I drive a 2011 GMC Serria 2500HD in rural Michigan, USA and my truck would have no problem going up that. In fact my driveway goes up a hill that is far taller than the one shown and most of the time I don’t even have to turn on 4 wheel drive. I don’t even have snow tires as my all terrains work just fine (as a former autotech I do highly recommend snow tires though). For the weight distribution, yes, but that’s also why we throw weight in the bed over the rear axle which solves that real easy.
The problem with the cyber truck is it was designed by people who don’t use trucks for a techbro demographic who don’t need trucks.
There’s no way you can know that.
Good.
Egh, looks like the facebook crowd has come to Lemmy.
Wrong tires… It’s that simple…
I have Elon as much as the rest of us, but this reads like it’s written by the Anti-EV crowd. All it needs is an ad for a Dodge RAM at the bottom… And, I don’t particularly find the cybertruck (or any large truck), appealing at all tbh
I can put the wrong tires on my jeep too, and skid off the road when its wet
Also, I’m not really sure how it works with deep snow (since I’m here in Australia), but wouldn’t snowchains help too? or can you not use them on EV’s?.. Or do they not work with deep snow?
Not anti-EV crowd, just anti-Elon. I hate him as much as anyone else but people just throw absolutely any rationale out the window when it comes to anything he’s involved with (especially around here).
I’ve seen several leftists at this point straight up turn their backs on EVs and literally start parroting conservative propaganda about them. So sad.
If you are leftist you should be anti-ev. All EVs do is propagate car-centric social development which is a cancer to any potentially better world.
If you want to be anti-car, that’s an entirely different discussion from anti-EV.
Disagree. EVs only environmental advantage is tail-pipe emissions. But they are significantly worse for society then tail-pipe emissions are. Being heavier damages the road more, and causes more tire and brake wear. Proprietary batteries mean that they are thrown away more often then gas cars. More limited range means that more car infrastrucutre is required to support them.
At the end of the day, the limited-taxes we have in the US that discourage driving, EVs are allowed to side-step, so from a societal point of view, EVs are absolutely worse in everyway (except trivial tail-pipe emissions). If you are a leftist who has to drive a car, an EV wouldn’t even be a viable option. You’d be better off in a hybrid.
EV’s can also act as a VPP and feed power back into the grid too, stabilising it. Yeah… Those blackouts you guys claim are ALWAYS coming? EV’s can actually help with that…
Also, Sodium Ion Batteries just got released, which is a huge step up (more environmentally friendly), and Solid State batteries are getting closer and closer.
Also, batteries get recycled. So yes, those big heavy batteries, are reused, by future batteries (which are likely more efficient). We’re only at the start of Lithium batteries too. Lithium air has made huge developments recently. lithium Air is 5000-11000Wh/kg vs Lithium Ion 300wh/kg. So, with the same weight, that means a future Lithium air based car could have 16x-30x more range (and we have plenty of lithium here in Australia). Or, 16x smaller batteries (which due to lower curb weight, would be amazingly efficient). And, future EV’s will likely be more modular too
Unless you’re proposing I ride my bike 60km per day for work? I also do lots of hiking, so, do you propose they run a trainline to the middle of forests? Or do I not hike anymore?
But judging by the fact you have posts unhappy with the Nazi salute being declared illegal, I’m going to say this is typical right-wing facebook BS
You are the dumbest person I’ve seen post today.
re: nazi salute, you don’t understand the purpose of the legislation, it has nothing to do with “nazis,” it’s purpose is to silence dissent, the nazi excuse is so sheeple like you support it unconditionally.
Similar to EVs. Their purpose is to ensure car development can continue and idiots like you don’t realize that the problem with cars has nothing to do with what powers them. Why do you think you live 60km away from work with no public transit? Because cars force you to.
I live in Australia where they were banned. There were literally neo Nazis publicly being Nazis trying to make others feel unwelcome and feel like they were in danger. Nazi symbols have been banned in Germany for ages (which should tell you something). If you want to make up some weird conspiracy theory like they’re playing 4d chess, good for you. People like me also got sick of reporting Nazi shit to councils after they took pt to get home and acted like hateful dickheads. I guess you want to keep burning crosses and the kkk legal too eh? Guys like me get sick of removing Nazi stickers though
The location where I live has nothing to do with cars. Work is located in a more expensive place to live. And even if I move, should I tell my family I can’t see them anymore because they don’t live close enough to me?
Again, I do hiking (I actually operate a hiking group). You’ve skipped that comment because your argument doesn’t sound great when you start telling people they can’t go outdoors anymore.
The problem with cars isn’t that they exist. It’s that too many clowns are buying big cars they don’t need, and they need to be designed to be more repairable/modular. More public transport is definitely needed though, and more density of population… But some people like me (even ignoring work) will continue to need a vehicle to get around. I also think emergency services will be more efficient with a car eh
Battery technology will rapidly catch up. The first big changes have already just come (sodium ion) which is already a step forward. If lithium air happens, it will be a game changer
Also, I received an award for graduating top 5 people in state in one of my high school subjects… So honestly, I suspect I’m not a total idiot like you claim.
I agree they are not the win we need for the global level of climate change (in addition to the very real issues with making the batteries). But if we were to fix those major issues in how the batteries are made, I think that the emissions reductions would be at least good if living in major urban centres. Reducing any air quality issues in those spaces matters for health, and distances are more in-line with driving distances EVs have. Though I know that the battery making process would only be pushed to fixing its issues after profit motives are removed. So I guess revolution will need to happen really really soon if we want to both get that sorted out and for more resources going into other alts (and really building up needed public transportation).
EVs only environmental advantage is tail-pipe emissions.
Thank you for making my point. That’s exactly the type of conservative parroting I was referring to and it’s absolutely not true. Good job 👍
It literally is though. They are worse in every single other way including the people that defend them.
Have you read about the actual environmental costs and material extraction needed for electric cars? EVs are about saving the auto industry when gas runs out. Not about saving the environment.
The conservative parroting usually takes a sliver of truth and runs with it while tacking on other bullshit to make it seem legit. The “anything to own the libs” is part of that dogma, but pushing a con is easier with a twisted truth to lead the bigger lies.
No sense in rehashing this discussion for the 87297368th time, here’s a fun video you can watch to learn more:
Tires may be part of the equation, but ground clearance is typically more important to avoiding getting stuck in the snow.
Definitely important, but in my experience with good tires and patience you can basically plow the snow out of the way
Getting enough snow jammed under a vehicle will high-venter the vehicle. If the tires can’t touch the ground,it doesn’t matter how good they are.
It’s also really heavy. I have a crosstrek and even with all seasons on I’m getting up that driveway in the video with problems at all.
Chains are only useful if there’s snow compacted onto the road (like in a lot of mountainous areas). Winter tires are useful because they stay softer in cold weather, while summer tires get hard as a rock below a certain temp, turning your car (or cybertruck in this case) into a sled. There are also studded snow tires, but they’re useless or even dangerous on roads with no snow.
Yeah ok… So, there isn’t really much that could be done in this case except use Winter tyres anyway? If so, that makes this article seem even more silly I’m guessing?
Without knowing specifics about the cybertruck, it’s hard to say. Another factor could be that the tires are too wide, which would prevent them from cutting through the snow to make contact with the road. There could be other factors, like traction control freaking out and locking up the wheels, AWD issues, driver error. I just don’t know enough about the CT to make an educated guess. Tires are probably the most common reason for something like this though.
But some online commentators have come to the Cybertruck’s rescue by pointing out that the cars being shown didn’t have snow tires or snow chains, and it getting stuck may be due to over inflating the tires or driver error.
The part of the truck that touches the roadway is exactly the same design as the part of any other vehicle that touches the roadway.
There’s a point to be made about the overlap between the people who want a Cybertruck, and the people who aren’t self-sufficient enough to make sure that their vehicle can operate in the winter, but this has no bearing on the merits or not of the Cybertruck as a vehicle.
Also:
“Another storm, another CyberTruck needing a rescue,” they wrote. “It’s like finding a leprechaun that’s constantly getting stuck in a glue trap.”
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The part of the truck that touches the roadway is exactly the same design as the part of any other vehicle that touches the roadway.
…you mean the tires? No, no it’s absolutely not. 😂
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Tesla touts that its Cybertruck is “durable and rugged enough to go anywhere” on its website, but apparently snow may be its kryptonite after numerous online videos and pictures have showed the electric vehicle getting stuck in typical wintery conditions.
An Instagram user posted a video of a Cybertruck slipping and getting stuck in about four inches of snow in an unspecified location.
“There’s literally a sedan like thirty feet ahead of it that made it all the way to a parking space,” joked podcaster and journalist Robert Evans.
And back in December, a TikTok video also showed a stuck Cybertruck being pulled up by a sports utility vehicle on a slight incline of snow and ice.
All this content showing its performance in real-world conditions doesn’t bode well for a vehicle that’s being hyped as the next big thing in the lucrative consumer truck sector.
Regardless, the news doesn’t come at a good time for Tesla’s Cybertruck, which has had to contend with range and quality control issues, in addition to numerous delays and production problems.
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I’d feel like such an asshole driving one of these things. If someone gave me one for free, I wouldn’t even want to park it in front of my house.
Sell it for some extra cash.
Shitty truck performs shittily.
Fixed their headline.
Several comments about tires being the issue. I’ve driven through worse with a simple set of all-seasons - is there something special about EV tires that make them perform so poorly in these conditions?
Hubris?
You drove through this same location…? On the same day…? In a comparable pickup truck?
Low rolling resistance tires tend to be not very great in snow. They get that low rolling resistance partly by not having a very sticky compound, and partly by not having a very aggressive tread pattern (among other things, I’m sure). Both of those factors are going to have an impact on traction on anything but dry pavement.
It might also be due to other design choices. I’ve got a 2015 Ford Fusion PHEV, and I had a 2013 Fusion Hybrid before that; they suck so bad in the snow with normal all-season tires that I have to keep a finger on the electric parking brake switch to make sure I can stop if there’s any snow on the ground.
I bet it has traction control which is great in wet conditions, and light snow. Get over 5" of snow and traction control is worthless if you start to get stuck.
So apparently after a quick search, I found that the truck does indeed have traction control, and it’s buried somewhere in a submenu of it’s touch screen controls. So I bet more than likely stuff like this is happening because the controls are not easily found and readily available to turn off when you need it.
Hell on my Jetta it’s on the panel by the emergency brake. Easy to find and turn off.
I’ve driven through worse in a 1980s manual pickup with bald tires. It wasn’t pretty driving, but the truck didn’t get stuck either.
Edit: Not that I’m trying to show bravado or anything. Whole state was closed down in a state of emergency and my retail boss said I had to come in, and in 'mericuh you can’t lose your job! Kudos all go to the bald tire truck. Nobody should ever try this.
I remember MKBHD made a comment about the snow possibly being an issue opening the doors as well. Hoping these things were actually tested in super cold conditions
Tesla and tested?
That’s what “launch edition” Teslas are for.
There is not a single good thing about the Cybertruck.
Who would have guessed that an offroad vehicle designed in socal only works on bare, dry, triassic limestone.
How is this thing still real?
How do we know it is? I suspect all photos of the thing are AI-generated deepfakes. 😜
Probably bad tires to be honest. Bad tires for a hideous truck: a loosing recipe.
Too bad the tires are tied to the wheel and can’t just be exchanged
if only they used something sensible like nuts and bolts to secure them. something which could be easily unscrewed…
They do but the tires are specifically made for Cybertruck and the hubcaps lock in with the tire. If you buy a different set of tires they fit the wheels just fine but the hubcaps no longer do. It just affect aesthetics and probably aerodynamics.
Really?! That is so more shittier than I thought!
And actual human beings purchased those things?
they aren’t tied to the wheel, just the hubcaps. If you want to run it without the hubcaps, you can put whatever tire you want on it.
What, pray tell, are you talking about?
I’m curious if this is a “Cyber Truck” issue or an electric vehicle / drive train issue. I mean, do the electric motors in these vehicles have “gears”?
mostly seems like a tire issue. These things come with all seasons made for fuel efficiency, not traction.
I don’t think it’s something with it being electric. I haven’t had snow in a while, but about 2 years ago I went to an unplowed parking lot and some unplowed streets to see how my Model Y would work and it handled 3-4 inches fine.
They have the ability to make some kind of vehicle that can handle a few inches of snow, it’s wild this would be an issue in a vehicle that people are likely to take off the road.
I wonder if the tires on the Cybertruck are too narrow for it’s weight or something.
These trucks are really heavy, being made out of metal. Google says 6600-6800lbs while a F150 is 4200-5700 lbs
No idea on the drive train, would be interesting to see though!
Technically they have gears, but not as you normally think of gears.
In my opinion, Partially it’s an electric vehicle thing (lots of torque) and partially it’s a software thing (wheel slip and torque control algorithms) The suspension design and tire size choice could affect this as well, but not as much in my opinion as the previous points.
If you’re driving in the snow you don’t want a lot of torque starting out. When I’d drive a manual transmission I’d start off in 2nd rather than 1st for this reason.
Electric motors are famous for having maximum torque instantly, so unless it’s got an accurate wheel slip sensor it will apply too much torque and just spin.
Then there’s the problem of it being super heavy. The best car I ever drove in the snow was a Scion xA. It was so light it would float above any accumulation. My motor scooter was even better.
