Trump sought and actively tried to subvert constitutional government and overturn the results of the presidential election. And what he could not do through the arcane rules and procedures of the Electoral College, he tried to do through the threat of brute force, carried out by an actual mob.

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    If the antecedent component of a conditional statement is not true, then the consequent component of that conditional statement is effectively meaningless, and not logically relevant.

    I am so fucking sick of every fucking mainstream media outlet bending over backwards to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. Doing so is willful negligence, plain and simple.

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      Beware whenever the Alt-Right makes a “mistake” that works in their favor - it is most often no accident, from that crowd that values “winning” over all other considerations - even (especially it sometimes seems) morality?

      As a famous YouTube video “The Alt-Right Playbook: Control the Conversation” mentioned, bad arguments are bait for liberals to get to talking about what the person offering those want them to be talking about. Whether this journalist merely was “negligent” towards best reporting practices vs. outright hostile to them, I no longer care b/c functionally they make no difference.

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    In the 50s he’d have been called a commie traitor. Because of Russia and that period of our relations - which were bad. and all. And back then we used to fry traitors and spies pretty much on the spot. Before they could do too much damage. We’re kind of “too late” with trump the traitor it seems.

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    The front runner and probable nominee. I think its clear he violated the 14th amendment, and because this is/has/will be a political issue he needs to run, and he needs to loose.

    If he is denied the chance to be on the ballot as valid as it may be then he can justify everything as proof the system is rigged, so he should get to rig it in his flavor, with violence and war if needed.

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        Exactly. The Constitution is the highest law in this country. He broke the law — plain and simple. And what’s more, the Constitution doesn’t require conviction by a jury of his peers for his ineligibility from holding office. It just is.

        It’s no surprise, though, that the die-hard constitutionalists, just like religionists with their bible, will cherry-pick and tailor the words of the Constitution to suit their agenda. And also no surprise that that Venn diagram overlaps almost completely.

        The moron should be barred from every ballot. It makes no difference what continued web of lies he spins — he’ll be dead soon, and the last thing this country needs is the precedent set that the President is above all law.

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    Is it antidemocratic to disqualify Trump from office and deny him a place on the ballot?

    Third parties are often denied ballot access. Is that antidemocratic?

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      If you can’t cough up the fee (typically $100 or less for most state and local offices) and get several dozen people to sign your nominating papers (varies somewhat by state and office) you’re wasting your time running in the first place.

      The big reason we don’t see third parties doing well in the US is that the bulk of the country uses first-past-the-post general elections. These mean that a vote for a third party candidate hurts the people most apt to implement the policies you care about.

      Three cases:


      Case 1:

      D - 10 votes, R - 9 votes, I - 0 votes

      Democrat wins


      Case 2:

      D - 9 votes, R - 9 votes, I - 1 vote

      Tied election and a coin toss used to decide winner


      Case 3:

      D - 8 votes, R - 9 votes, I - 2 votes

      Republican wins

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        Case 4:

        D - 9 votes, R - 8 votes, I - 2 votes

        Democrat wins.

        There are systems that solve the spoiler effect, such as:

        • Approval voting - multiple selection, most votes wins
        • STAR voting - ranking, solves the “uncounted votes” issue that RCV has

        In each system, the candidate preferred by the most people (usually a majority) wins.

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    The one possible out is that he hasn’t been completely convicted of the crimes involved yet. I really hope he is soon. It worries me that he might get some court to say “no, he’s not been charged, put him back on the ballot”, and then he is, and then they go “no double jeopardy on taking him off the ballot, we went over this”