Hey! You missed nixos!
First time install for smb. Double the windows Bar.
Second time (if you backed up your config file)
No bar!
I can agree that installing Arch is easier than installing a debloated Windows. But Gentoo? I spent 2 weeks trying to install it, but couldn’t get past partitioning the drive.
I’m genuinely curious as an Arch user. Does gentoo not come with fdisk?
Yes it does. And while time-consuming it’s actually not too bad if you just follow the guide and don’t just skim through it.
There are certain parts of the guide where i really wish it went into more detail.
Last time i installed Gentoo i had the Arch wiki open alongside the guide to help translate
Yeah to be fair it does make some assumptions about you knowing how to do something or know what you want.
Oh, it does: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks
Look at that manual, isn’t it nice?
Ma-ma-manual?
I thought there were only automatics nowadays!
No wonder Linux is so hard
As a Gentoo user who has used Arch in the past, I have no clue what problems this commenter could have run into because paritioning the drives is exactly the same for both distributions… if they were able to figure it out for Arch, then they can do it for Gentoo
Or you know, gparted, arch bootable, Windows Drive Management, Ubuntu…
I mean out of all the things I’d THINK you’d have trouble in, partitioning and formatting is…. not one of them.
man fdisk…paritioning the drives is exactly the same for Arch as it is Gentoo lol if you did it for Arch, why can’t you do it for Gentoo?
I meant, I partitioned the drives, but could not complete the steps after that. I couldn’t use that tar file to compile the kernel.
Well, configuring the kernel is where things get tricky and is the major difference between the Gentoo and Arch installation, so that makes sense.
To be annoyingly pendantic, you did get past partitioning the drivea, then!
I mean, that you couldn’t get past drive partitioning doesn’t make it difficult to install for everyone.
But it does make it more difficult relative to the others, which is all that any unitless chart is ever saying.
Lol what? As the other comment says, partitioning disks for Gentoo is exactly the same thing as partitioning disks for Arch. If the problem is a PEBKAC thing you can’t just blame the distro.
The alleged “difficulty” of installing Gentoo is just about reading docs and waiting for it to compile stuff, it’s no rocket science as you people are trying to FUD.
What an absurdly sycophantic graph.
I’ve never “debloated” Windows so idk about the top half.
The bottom half is accurate. Debian, Fedora, and Mint are easier to install than Windows 10 or 11. Not that Windows is difficult, it’s just a bit clunky and idiosyncratic.
I assume Microsoft doesn’t care much about the installer since it’s generally only used by OEMs, whereas for Linux distros it’s a first impression so it has to be polished.
I had to install Windows 11 on something a few weeks ago so I decided to do it without an account, it was nowhere near as difficult to do it as this sub would lead you to believe. Pressed a key combination to load up the command prompt then typed in a relatively short command. The GUI restarted and that was it.
Yeh, it’s there.
But Linux installers would straight up ask you. So you don’t even need to hit the CLI
No excuse though. Try the “install as oem” of Linux Mint. You get an install with temporary oem account, you can update the system, install additional programs, then click “Prepare for shipping to end user” and on next boot you’re greeted with a setup screen.
That sounds pretty nice. More installers should have something like that
It’s very user friendly. I switched last year and haven’t looked back. I game on it constantly.
Well, if you want accuracy, then no the meme isn’t really that accurate.
On an updated Win11 system the Shift+ F10 command prompt “OOBE\BYPASSNRO” trick still works to setup a new system without Internet (and by extension, without a MS account) so that’s like most of the battle right there
The rest is taken care of with your choice of debloat scripts that are out there
compared to clicking “next” on Fedora, Debian, or Mint
I’d say using a simple straightforward GUI is much easier than an arcane combination of commands and keypresses
Wait, did we just reach a point where a command line input is needed for Windows and Linux just needs to press a few buttons??
I can’t find it now, but there was a meme about that here. How 20 years ago vs present the two are flipped.
Well, I didn’t say it should be ranked towards the bottom lol, if we want to make this graph accurate it would be below arch but above “Windows the normal way”
If you install arch with the archinstall script you basically get a setup wizard
And installing a Microsoft-account-free Windows install is only the first step of de-bloating the system. So I’d say debloated Windows in somewhere between Arch and Gentoo
I think i misunderstood you my bad
I used AtlasOS on my windows partition. Had to cause for some reason steam streaming was borked and would only black screen. And now I’m too lazy to swap back over to cachyos. Lmao. Waiting to see that bug is fixed.
Kubuntu is also super easy.
Fedora takes 0 brain power to install.
Fedora has hands down the worst installer I’ve ever seen. Some distros don’t have one, yes, some don’t have a GUI one, yes, some require additional configuration afterwards, yes, but Fedora’s is just confusing as hell for no good reason.
It’s also the only distro I had sound issues (i.e. no sound at all) with ever, and the only one where an installation has straight up failed to a point it created an unbootable system.
tldr: I wanted to try Fedora and capitulated on install. Still enough brainpower for EndeavourOS btw.
What about Ubuntu?
It takes too long to listen to Lemmy users tell you why not to.
This is true, but the people who think of Windows as easier to use are not people who install operating systems themselves.
I install OSes myself and windows is easy.
easier to use
I don’t get at what you’re trying to say.
You think “windows is easy”, but do you think it is “easier to use” than Linux?
Windows 11 takes foreeeeeever to install on cutting edge hardware. Arch OTA is literally 4 clicks and fast as fuck.
Build your installer with Rufus and bypass most of the Oobe. Then it’s literally a few clicks. You can be at the windows 11 desktop in 10 minutes from USB boot if you know what you’re doing. And if you argue that having to know what you’re doing makes it harder… Linux…
Length doesn’t equate to difficulty to me.
Oh no no, it takes forever because it’s cumbersome, not only because it’s slow (which it also is). Having to opt out of 420 different options for telemetry is crazy.
Almost everyone using Linux installed it. Almost no one using Windows installed it.
You don’t think that many people build their own Windows PCs? Linux gaming isn’t that old in the grand scheme of things, and there’s plenty of people who dual boot for various reasons.
I’d almost be willing to bet that there are more people who’ve installed Windows on their PC than there are people who’ve installed Linux from a pure numbers standpoint.
I build my own systems. And I dont know what y’all are smoking but a typical windows installation has the complexity of opening a jar of pickles. Next next yes and away we go.
Linux on the other hand…
Now, if you want to debloat and install without a ms account then yes. But then… Really… Who does that? (i mean of the typical windows users
That’s what I’m saying. Windows installation is idiot-proof. And I’m sure there’s enough people who maintain their own systems or at the very least have had to install Windows for one reason or another that to say that “almost no one” who runs Windows installed it themselves is just the “Linux Master Race” talking.
Avoiding MS account and many manual parts of the installation (opting out of shit) is like two clicks in Rufus before installation. Everyone should do it.
Most gaming PCs are pre built. Boutiques have been a business for decades. And every major PC OEM has a gaming division.pc building is niche.
PC building is niche, yes, but do you think “almost no one” builds PCs, like OP said? And that’s not even including the people who’ve had to install Windows on a pre-built system for one reason or another.
My point is that OP sounds like a smug Linux user shitting on people who use Windows. Even 5% of Windows users is too big a group of people to be described as “almost no one” simply because of how big the userbase is. That would be like saying, “Almost no one installs Linux” because Linux only makes up a small portion of the worldwide PC userbase.
- oobe bypass.
- A post install script.
Alternatively, Tiny10
Funny meme but let’s be serious:
The steps to install Arch.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide
The steps to install de bloated Windows:
Download Tiny Windows.
Use Rufus to make a boot USB. Click ok.The steps to install Arch.
Oh no, manually partitioning disks and chrooting? Someone call a computerologist.
that windows install isn’t the procedure m$ tells you to use though. the correct comparison to that IMO would be using one of the 4 or 5 easy arch installers.
that said I’d still use bazzite. now a real janky ass install would be fedora core os on an sbc, using emmc for boot but nvme for root.
If you want debloated Windows, you already aren’t using the procedure Microsoft wants you to use. So why would you even care?
If you follow Microsoft’s procedure, it takes less than 5 minutes to get a working setup.
Installing gentooMan, seems hard for you guys to just choose English UK when installing windows…
Ничего не понял. Кого по УК посадили?
I said English UK but you’re free to try it with any language that doesn’t make Microsoft believe you’re from the US or Canada, but I bet a European country would be best considering the amount of laws they have to prevent abuse by corporations compared to the rest of the world…
I’m not familiar with Mint and I only installed Fedora twice/on two baremetal PCs … but how much easier can you go compared to Debian?
Is it like a cleaner UI or more preinstalled essentials?if you are already using fedora I don’t see any value in switching to debian or mint.
