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Summary
Trump’s popular vote share has fallen below 50% to 49.94%, with Kamala Harris at 48.26%, narrowing his margin of victory.
Trump’s share of the popular vote is lower than Biden’s in 2020 (51.3%), Obama’s in 2012 (51.1%) and 2008 (52.9%), George W. Bush’s in 2004 (50.7%), George H.W. Bush’s in 1988 (53.2%), Reagan’s in 1984 (58.8%) and 1980 (50.7%), and Carter’s in 1976 (50.1%).
The 2024 election results highlight Trump’s narrow victory and the need for Democrats to address their mistakes and build a diverse working-class coalition.
The numbers also give Democrats a reason to push back on Trump’s mandate claims, noting most Americans did not vote for him.
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The 2024 election results highlight Trump’s narrow victory and the need for Democrats to address their mistakes and build a diverse working-class coalition.
just to be clear, this isn’t really a failing of the dems per say, not to say they didn’t have issues, they did. But this was a global shift away from incumbency. This seems to be more of a response to covid and inflation more than anything else possibly could’ve influenced it.
Lucky break for trump, dems just have to come back stronger i guess.
This is major league copium. The fact is that Trump’s opponent got way more votes in 2020 than in 2024, and had the blue turnout in 2024 equaled what it was in 2020, he would not have won in 2024. Period.
At this point it’s just sad to see the impotent denial of facts of some people. He won the election and the popular vote. End of story.
Yeah I’m really not sure why these conversations are still going on. It’s painfully clear that Dems lost this election because of voter turnout.
Great! We can relish the fact that he didn’t win over the majority of Americans as our country descends into a fascist hellhole run by billionaires, war hawks and rapists.
The Democratic party is a lost cause. They NEVER take any responsibility for their actions. What they did this election should even be illegal. They had no primary, so as a Democratic voter, I had no choice in who I was voting for. They picked my candidate for me, and it wasn’t even the incumbent! What’s the point of a democracy where my vote doesn’t matter, because THEY decide who I have to vote for? It’s stupid! They keep doing it over and over. Before, they threw Bernie under the bus and backed Hillary whether we liked it or not. They keep making the same dumb mistakes over and over because they just don’t care about working class people
What they did this election should even be illegal
illegal how? they’re a private party, their own rules don’t require them to hold a primary. Even if they wanted to do so, it was most definitely too late, should they have held one prior? probably.
They had no primary, so as a Democratic voter, I had no choice in who I was voting for.
man you guys need to learn what irony is. Also just to be clear, like 10 million people ever vote in primaries, so uh. Good luck? I guess? It’s not even representative to begin with lmao.
What’s the point of a democracy where my vote doesn’t matter
i mean it objectively does, but ok.
They did have a primary.
And Hillary won her primary popular vote against Bernie and you’re still pissed about it so seems like the method isn’t the problem for you, it’s that they (“they” being Democrats according to the party rules) don’t pick whoever you like.
The primary where she bought out the entire DNC and was in control of them? The same primary where the DNC worked together to stop Bernie and sabotage his campaign, even going so far as to contemplate attacking him for being Jewish? The primary where the chair apologised to Bernie for fucking him over?
Oh yeah, totally democracy in action.
The only thing of note here is that since the winner got <50%, then I’m guessing 3rd party votes were slightly higher this election.
1.7% in 2024.
1.9% in 2020.
5.7% in 2016.
1.7% in 2012.
1.4% in 2008.2024 is not the outlier. It’s mostly about how well the other major party candidate does.
So, 4% less in 2024 than in 2016, the last time he won. That by itself stands in pretty stark contrast to those who want to blame his victory on people who voted for a third party.
Trump won in 2024 chiefly because millions upon millions of Dems who voted in 2020 stayed home in 2024. That’s the reality.
Trump won in 2024 chiefly because millions upon millions of Dems who voted in 2020 stayed home in 2024. That’s the reality.
probably also a mix of lack of accessible voting, so the soy peeps who are bitching and moaning right now, are probably in the crowd of people that didn’t vote (or just actually busy people, idk)
and malaise towards the incumbency (global phenomenon)
You all need to get your “Fuck Trump” flags made and start driving around with them for the next 4 years.
That’s still a win in the popular vote. He has a mandate.
Usually, “mandate” used to mean overwhelming support from the majority. If these percentages hold up, donvict has a plurality. Even if he had a bare majority with Kamala and him having ~1.5% delta, it’s not like it is some real mandate, either…
It is. If you look at his appointments it looks like he’s going to be moving as fast as he can so that’s good.
It’s a plurality and not a majority, pretty far from a mandate. It’s a legal win.
That’s a mandate
I actually prefer him wining the popular vote. At least this time it’s what most Americans (that are willing to show up) want.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
it beats an electoral win, popular loss, and another 4-8 years of election fraud bullshit. Plus now he actually to some degree, has to be held responsible to the people. So this likely means the next election will flip backwards if there is a general perception of dissatisfaction in his abilities, which i expect there will be, in some capacity. His current cabinet picks are a fucking clownshow.
I mean, given the outcome is the same, I rather democracy to actually work instead of whatever the electoral college is.
…or at least voted for. It’s becoming unclear whether it’s what they actually wanted, but it’s too late for regret now.
What they wanted was for their 7,000lb full size truck they use to commute to their office job to cost less than $100 to fill up, while having good enough sound insulation in their walls that they don’t hear the screams from the collateral damage that might unfortunately need to happen.
He still won the popular vote.
i think in presidential elections in order to “win” you need at minimum a 51% vote. Otherwise you don’t actually win, but i could be mixing some shit up lol.
Voting is fucking weird.
You can win the presidency with as little as 22% of the popular vote. https://youtu.be/7wC42HgLA4k
is this the electoral college win, or did they “win” the popular vote since they had more of the votes than the opponent.
Very, very slimly.
The first line of the summary starts with …
Trump’s popular vote share has fallen
He still has more than Harris. I’m not thrilled about any of this, I just don’t see any sort of significance of being under 50% when we already don’t use the popular vote for anything meaningful. If it drops below Harris’s, then that’s worth talking about.
By being less less poplar than he was last election, because the Dems were even less poplar
What do poplar trees have to do with this ?
Their wood is too soft to stand up to the Republicans, the Democrats need something stronger, like oak or maple.
I kinda like the sound of Maplecrat.
Ask not what your country can do for you, but what Yew can do for your country!
So what?
People need to chill, he won by a good margin, stop trying to create drama on everything
I mean we’re all fucked, so…seems like a good time to panic.
he won
Yes.
by a good margin
No.
People are going to be put in camps i don’t think it’s the time to chill
That is not what they are saying to chill on. They’re saying to chill on this number drama bullshit.
He won, and margins are just stats.
I’m thinking its less to create drama, and more to be like “So he doesn’t have a mandate then, to do all this bad shit he wants to do.”
Its no longer being billed as “Landslide victory! Americans clearly want bigotry!”
People need to chill, he won by a good margin
even if true, does that suddenly make him not a convicted criminal and rapist?
Bro wtf do the elections result have on common with him being a criminal? We are talking about votes and election results, stop mixing things
Of course it doesn’t change that. That is not what’s being discussed, please don’t turn to strawman attacks. It cheapens the discussion.
Yeah it’s important that we all acknowledge the fascist was elected with a clear majority
I genuinely think so. He’s a piece of shit, it’s obvious to everyone not wearing an ostrich costume, and yet he was voted in.
do you… even know what a straw man is? Im addressing your comment that ‘he won by a good margin’, it appears you are saying that if someone wins an election, then there is no point in having any discussion about the methods that person used to get elected? All criminality and previous insane behavior is instantly washed away by winning an election?
The margins he won by have nothing to do with him being a rapist piece of shit.
yaaa… Im sure the guy who cheated in 2016, and cheated again in 2020 definitely didnt cheat in any way at all this time…
It won’t matter. He, and his cultists, will continue to claim otherwise.
I mean his vote share went down, he still has more votes than kamala.
So they don’t need to say anything he still won the popular core
This is a ridiculous argument. Orange man won the electoral college, got the most votes, won the senate, house of reps, the presidency, and the supreme court. What more is there to lose?
Well the left lost thier sanity so everything else has become trivial.
Control of his ticker, one hopes
He lost last time and we let him take it. We dont have to keep letting him steal the office
Plenty of coping from the liberal corporate media, instead of admitting that liberals abandoned the working class to court the monied interests.
idk why people keep yapping about abandoning the working class, it mostly just seems like a dogwhistle to a general dissatisfaction that never seems to go away.
People were doing the same shit before biden dropped out, saying they would support someone else, like kamala. That happened, and then they didn’t.
how would the liberals court the working class? would electing a fucking immigrant factory worker do it? At what point does the working class actually go “you know what, i agree, i will vote for this person” because the problem is, you can’t just put some guy in the seat, we did that with trump, it was a horrendous mistake, and trump should have some idea of how this stuff works.
You need someone politically educated and experienced, capable of representing the people, like biden. There’s a reason he got so much legislation through the government, even with how polarized it is right now.
unless of course, you want to overthrow the government, and install a dictator. That would also work.
Bernie Sanders is correct that the Democrats abandoned the working class. I will be blunt and say that Lemmy has ironic bigotry and disdain on the people of colour and working class who voted for Trump. It is important to understand the other side even if you don’t agree; that way you would know where they are coming from and sway them. Call Trump voters of all backgrounds racists, hillbillies, mysoginists, redneck, traitors, Uncle Toms or Uncle Hector; but people don’t have jobs and crime rate is up. The former blue wall is now the orange Rust Belt that colours Trump. And it is taboo to say this but many places are indeed overwhelmed by too much immigration since those places don’t have the infrastructure to support the sudden population increase. Chronically underfunded public services make locals and immigrants compete for school, jobs and hospital beds. Immigrants are blamed instead, when in fact it’s the affluent middle and upper classes who keep voting against building more social housing and expanding health services because they don’t want their property value to go down and/or pay more taxes. And frankly, I believe many Lemmy users fall into this class camp and don’t want to admit we’re part of the problem. Many of us are college-educated with higher economic mobility and earnings live in safe and affluent areas because we benefit from the new knowledge economy. We are not rubbing shoulders with working class folks who lost their traditional manufacturing jobs and not experiencing their every day struggle. So, we become detached from the real lived experiences of those left out and deprived of opportunities. We consign rural and de-industrialised Appalachian former workers as ignorant and racists, when in fact we’re also being bigoted against them for dismissing their genuine feelings of not having anymore jobs left, and their community left rotting by offshoring and automation caused by mismanaged globalisation. Why else has protectionism returned to the political menu? Has no one asked this instead of simply saying autarky and protectionism is dumb and makes their favourite video-games more expensive?
Simply saying that the economy is doing better is not enough if the rest are not feeling it. Just because we’re feeling cushy in our office job doesn’t mean those in the Rust Belt are feeling the same. We would not say we’re fine if we have cancer on the liver while the rest of the body don’t.
There is no denying that there are outright bigotry, but many people are left behind by emerging new technology and job market trend. And the folks who are out of jobs who could not put food on the table is the stuff that dictators are made of. I did not say this, it was Franklin Roosevelt. He knows that desperate people are easily brainwashed and swayed. Tell me you have not been in a dark place on a personal level before and you have not had negative thoughts dominate? It’s the same situation happening right now with the working class which manifest on the societal level.
If the mostly affluent Lemmy users, progressives and liberals realise this, then we can take back progressivism into the political spotlight. The same progressives who always call for empathy do not place the same to the blue collar, working class folks left behind economically. Progressives need to understand the people different from them. It is only right to learn even from the other side.
During the Great Depression, neighbours would buy their neighbouring farmers’ property at a penny to prevent being possessed by uncallous bankers, and threaten auctioneers for not agreeing with the sale. Where is that solidarity right now?
It really didn’t have much to do with abandoning anyone. It didn’t matter what democrats proposed at all. The vast majority of people answers they were dissatisfied with America in exit polls. The economy is doing fine on paper but people don’t feel that way. It was the inability to distance from Biden and provide actual radical solutions to things that got them voted down.
At this point it has nothing to do with working class policies. It has everything to do with voter dissatisfaction and pandering to moderates.
The economy doing fine means nothing for 99.9% of people. All that means is rich people made money. People have seen a decrease in their pockets
The economy doing fine means nothing for 99.9% of people.
this isn’t actually true. The economy just leads the people in most circumstances. 6 Months from now the economy will be doing better than it was now, and people won’t be struggling as much. Not due to trump, amusingly enough.
Also inflation is irrelevant, you can’t really just undo inflation. Sure you could just, not do it. But good luck with that one. Inflation is really just a mechanism to offset economic dysfunction, and broaden the impact of it. Such that you don’t have a complete global collapse of trade for example.
Not sure why everyone keeps suggesting that the economy will do well under trump. It will only do well if he doesn’t do anything. But the deportations alone will be a disaster.
You’re talking about entire towns losing their farming and dairy communities overnight, not good. Same is true of healthcare workers and food service. Housing prices might double.
And if he does the tariffs, we’re cooked. Recession would happen the very next day no question. So he has like 5 different ways he already plans on taking the economy, he just needs to try one of them and we’ll be in recession.
Bitcoin is already way up
The third dimension of the political compass is radical vs. moderate. People want more radical change, and the Democrats didn’t meet them there.
Exactly. In a high dissatisfaction environment, you must do your best to distance from the status quo which is why Trump got elected twice. It’s not that democrats are proposing bad policies, it’s that they’re only associated with changes that don’t mean much to average people. They represent the status quo far too much to be interesting.
Actually only 50% of us support the fat pedophile fascist.
Yea but he has 100% of the control now so it doesn’t matter unfortunately.
It’s way less than that. Like 35% of eligible voters did not vote.
And in not doing so, they objectively supported him, whether they’re too braindead to know or not.
Yeah like those people who voted for the people actively funding a genocide that somehow believe the vote they were casting was for less genocide.
That is an amazing brain trick.
this is my favorite israel palestine talking point, instead of actually doing something about the issue, or like, discussing actual things actually happening, people just bitch and moan about semantics instead.
Who gives a fuck whether or not voting for kamala was a vote for genocide, or whether or not abstaining, and therefore helping trump get elected was also a vote for genocide, go do literally fucking anything for the cause.
Only 33% of eligible voters actually voted against Trump. 66% either agree with him or don’t care.
Yup, just 71 million or so goddam people voted for a narcissistic grifter felony with daddy issues. Fuck.
Or 71 million people voted against democrat corruption and the fact that they do not represent the working class.
Maybe a percentage of those votes were because of this, but you can’t actually believe that 71 million people voted for him because he somehow represents the working class better than the dems would. The vast majority people who were protesting the dems not representing the working class, did so by not voting or voting 3rd party, not by voting for Trump.
99 percent of those people voted for Trump because of 3 reasons: Racism, Misogyny, or ignorance. There is a fourth group of rich voters who voted for him to line their pockets, but they are a miniscule portion of his votes. This fourth group mostly just invests money to encourage the racist, misogynistic, and ignorant ones to go vote.
You should look into the Trump/AOC voters and their reasons why.
Ah yes, that’s why they did it. I’m sure that’s exactly why they voted for the, as stated previously, narcissistic etcetera etcetera. Get the fuck out of here.
By voting for blatant corruption instead? And tax cuts for the rich is not a policy representing the working class.
They voted for disruption. And that’s the one thing trump is good at.
They didn’t say that they were making a good decision voting against Dems, just that it was a decision.
Yes, a bad decision, but that shouldn’t need to be said to anyone with regularly firing neurons.
At no time in the history of modern politics has the “popular vote” taken precedence over the electoral college. If you’ll remember, biden’s campaign made that point during his defeat of the orange 4 years ago. And the orange complained pretty loudly about it
Not to mention the numbers I saw still show he has more votes than her, he just fell below 50%, add in the people who voted for other candidates or voted for other positions and not president and she is below. I saw only 4% of votes left in California, meaning he will beat her by at least a million votes.
