I had to stop reading the replies she received; the stupidity made my head hurt. My hatred for humanity is growing by leaps and bounds daily. I think I’ll be a full blown misanthrope within 2 or 3 days. It has become crystal clear that we need to pull the weeds out of the gene pool. I’m for instituting a national license program to breed. You may obtain a license if you can pass a test which consist of a common sense section and the civics section of the U.S. naturalization test. 🤨😁
Well the good news is that the probability of such a program happening has gone up.
The bad news is that you are disqualified if you have all your teeth or any kind of college degree.
That might be very true with incoming administration. 😁
Yes surely the answer to government overreach is letting the government decide who can have kids.
You’re a moron.
It’s called sarcasm. Note the emojis. Look it up, moron.
Oh yeah, well his comment was also sarcastic, dumbass. Maybe get out a dictionary flip the pages until your well past the S section, then start back tracking until somehow you’re all the way back to the Fs, then find your way finally to the S section again and lookup the basic bitch word that is spelled ‘sarcasm’.
This comment and all others in this thread are also sarcasm btw. /ns
It’s not sarcasm if they insult you by calling you a moron.
Why did you vote to protect the rail corporation from the union strike AOC?
Why are you asking the question to somebody who’ll never read it?
Why are you throwing a red herring into this entire thread?
I know lots of people are really down on this but it seems like people just want change. We all know the system isn’t working for most people right now and want something different.
Trump is different. Bad but different. If you have little hope make sense to break everything. If there’s a real progressive change candidate people will be excited. Change is what is needed
This is something a lot of libs need to understand imo.
You can rail on about how Trump is going to end democracy until the cows come home, it’s never going to sway voters. The average person is not doing very well and prospects look really bad for young people and democrats are refusing to acknowledge that things are broken. They are promising the status quo - and the status quo fucking sucks.
Agreed. Run on change for the better. Higher minimum wages, universal health care, paid sick time, paid maternity / paternity leave. This will get votes because people want something better in their pocket books. Student loan forgiveness was a great policy to run on. If it wasn’t blocked in courts it would have given a huge boost to Biden.
Absolutely. Bernie Sanders is incredibly popular (on both sides) and Joe Rogan actually endorsed him in 2020. All this talk about Joe Rogan winning the election for republicans is hilarious when you think about it.
It is hilarious and sad that Joe Rogan wields so much power. But the point still stands that we need an economic policy to succeed. We need a Bernie Sanders like policy going forward.
I don’t think he actually has as much power as people are implying. I think the reason he was able to influence this election was because most undecided voters didn’t like either candidate very much, and so having someone like Joe Rogan sit down with Trump and humanize him was something that probably had a noticeable effect.
I think that if Harris had actually run a campaign that actually addressed the needs of the average person she would’ve won easily and we’d be laughing at the fact that Trump was so desperate for votes he went on Joe Rogan.
The lesson: some people just like disruption, and equate being against the status quo with being better than the status quo. I think any left-leaning candidate who tries to court these people in the future should tread very carefully.
They care more about the headlines you produce than your policies.
I appreciate the value of honesty and authenticity as key reasons people choose to support a candidate.
However, it is clear that Donald Trump often makes false statements.
Furthermore, Kamala Harris might have benefited from participating in more contemporary media formats, such as podcasts and Twitch streams, to enhance her outreach. Additionally, focusing less on appealing to Republican voters might have been advantageous, as this strategy CLEARLY contributed to her electoral loss.
Being a complete phoney didn’t help. She had all the charisma of a late night preacher. That doesn’t play well with most people.
It really shouldn’t matter. I get what you’re saying, but I want a politician to he a politician, someone who governs and write bills that help me. I don’t care it they are charismatic, but for some reason that’s the most important part for a lot of people.
especially since as far as authenticity goes, nobody is less authentic than trump. I think its more about seeing their flaws in you, and since trump just says everything about everything he seems relatable.
I don’t know about seeming relatable, but then again I didn’t have a worm die in my brain haha.
You know what I love the most about late night preachers?
They don’t put people in concentration camps.
They don’t take away human rights.
They don’t sexually assault people(typically).
They don’t quote Hitler(typically).
You know what? Now that I think about it, she was a lot better than a late night preacher.
- not a Nazi
- not a racist
- not a rapist
- not sexist
- not a fascist
Wow! Why didn’t 20 million Americans vote for her?
btw, that’s a rhetorical question, I don’t care about your opinions on her.
Lost to Trump again, opinion discarded
You clearly as you’ve responded.
As opposed to the down home folksy charm of rapist and convicted felon.
Well yes, and she still lost, so how poorly must she be coming across? Or is it 10s of millions of people that are just wrong?
So you believe god is real? Billions of people can’t be wrong, right?
Nope but I am not bitching about it online. I just get on with my life.
This one is on the folks who either voted for him or couldn’t be fucked to get off their couch. This time we ALL knew exactly who he was. I would have voted for a ham sandwich to prevent fascism. Dems suck but it’s verifiably true that the electorate can pressure them into action. Good luck pressuring ol’ donny smoothbrain to do anything that isn’t in his own self interest.
Or is it 10s of millions of people that are just wrong?
Well, they chose not to oppose fascism, so, yes. Yes, they were wrong. And they are the reason that, best case, the US is in the process of undoing every positive social advancement for the last hundred years.
Okay you run with that and see how that helps to affect change.
Really, it doesn’t matter at this juncture. The car was already in reverse with the foot on the gas. Now, the emergency brake has been released without any show off resistance. The cliff is right behind us and it’s just a question of whether we go all the way over or high-center on the edge. We’re going back and there’s no way to undo what is about to happen for, best case scenario, a generation.
Please describe her phonyness
Fracking, Border, Medicare for all.
So she attempted to make her campaign more palatable to the never trump wing of republicans by accepting that she wouldn’t have the political capital to do medicare for all? No politician in this country is getting medicare for all in the near future (no votes + supreme court will take down). No politician is banning fracking (they could but it would go to supreme court and be shut down). Border is one of those areas I’ll agree with, there’s more room to spare on that topic.
I just find her 100% fake, like she is always acting/performing. I don’t need to justify it, over half the US population agrees so it’s really not my problem it’s hers, and if you choose to defend her, yours.
She never seemed to do well in unscripted situations. When answering any questions in an interview, even from friendly interviewers, she always seemed to be thinking “what did my staff recommend I say for questions like this?” rather than “I will answer this question with what I believe in”.
But nothing you said there was actually specific or precise. Just a vibe, and a vibe held by…well, all politicians. So I’m asking the same question as OP…what precisely is different about her vs other politicians that makes her phony to you?
To provide a concrete example of what im looking for I’d say: “over half the US population agrees so it’s really not my problem it’s hers, and if you choose to defend her, yours” literally shouts insecurities. I don’t know if that’s real, but if I were asked what’s my vibe check on what you’ve said so far, that’s it. So what I’m looking for is a similar example or set of examples from Harris which demonstrates the vibe you experience.
Every time she talks. Especially the rallies.
Give a single actual example pls
This is why it’s so important to the dems to run charismatic celebrity figureheads who will let the VP and secretaries run the government.
People like you can then focus on how much the President reminds you of your father and how much you wish you could have a beer with him, and not be worried about boring stuff like not having mass deportations.
Ah the parliamentary system. The folks who want a king can have him, everyone else can get someone competent actually running the show.
I just find her 100% fake,
That reflects on you, not her. With a bullshit take like that you probably just resent her gender or something. Trump is the fake, since he is purely a bullshit artist with no other actual skills.
so it’s really not my problem it’s hers,
Its not her problem at all. It’s the country’s problem that people like you pick politicians for trivial bullshit “reasons”. Nothing can be done about people ruling out voting based on stupid shit like gender though.
I don’t understand what attacking the user for sharing their feelings gets you. It’s the vibe that enough voters shared in to stay home on election day. Her interviews seemed canned and focus group searched to death. Trump speaks like a deranged imbecile, but that’s how his voters are able to connect with him. He stands apart from the rest of the establishment despite being the most snake oil establishment figurehead there is. People see what they want to see in him. He is a tabula rasa for the magats
I don’t understand what attacking the user for sharing their feelings gets you. It’s the vibe that enough voters shared
Because voting or not voting based on a “vibe” is the single stupidest reason anybody can have in making a voting choice. It is based on the idiotic idea that you are doing the candidate some sort of favor, rather than doing yourself a favor, by voting for a good candidate.
I don’t disagree but it’s the sad reality of the world we live in. I don’t know what the solution is apart from more education but singling out this indv won’t get us far… I understand the frustration though.
Sure I must be sexist, or racist. Keep going with that bullshit line of reasoning and see where it gets you. Obama is my favourite president. Nearly all of my mentors and role models are strong women. Plus you don’t even know my gender, or race, or nationality…
her opponent went on the national debate stage and said Haitian immigrants are eating cats and dogs. What exactly does “being a phony” mean to you??
I agree with your point, but pretend you are a moron for a minute.
Anyone who speaks well is now an “elite” and therefore cannot be trusted. Trump is automatically more trustworthy just because he speaks like an idiot and not “the elites who always lie”.
“Eating dogs and cats? Man, that sounds like something cousin Dweebus would say. Cousin Dweebus and me go way back, I trust him. This guy must he for real”.
These answers read like idiocracy…
“He felt like he cared because he was an outsider”
I’m just waiting for “She talked all faggy-like”
“Ow my balls”
“He really spoke to me, and her professional speak made me feel dumb”
Cognitive dissonance? Doublethink? Humans have always been great at it.
“He felt like he cared because he was an outsider”
Everyone with common sense knows Donald Trainwreck cares about nobody but himself.
For the people that don’t want to scroll a bunch of stupid stories for the answers
Did you ever know that you’re my hero 🎵🎶
🫡
I was overdue to pay it forward
Holy fucking shit, people are dumber than I thought. And I already thought they were pretty fucking dumb.
If you voted for trump and AOC you need to make sure you never leave home without your fucking helmet on. Fuck.
Liz Cheney.
It’s the delivery.
Delivery is everything.
Trump reached these people, and Biden/Harris did not. It’s that simple. The message does not matter if it doesn’t get there. And this is a tremendous failure, considering the war chest the Dems squandered.
And I have zero faith they will learn from it. All the arguing I see is over policy that these people clearly never even laid eyes on.
If it wasn’t for The Voice I wouldn’t have seen a single political ad. I recall very few if any YouTube ads, a buttload of Instagram ads, but pretty much every one of them was asking for money. Okay? Money to do what? Buy more ads asking for more money? I’m sure political ads aren’t super effective in changing people’s minds but they do get people start to think about the issues and ways to compare different candidates. Also, the most things I remember about the campaign were when Trump said something crazy and when Kamala responded to Trump saying something crazy. Her entire campaign was pretty much, “You don’t want this other guy do you?” I have voted for very few candidates in my life and this time I definitely voted against Trump.
I see zero ads beyond billboards and the occasional radio at if I happen to be at a store.
Other than one guy going around to make sure people had a plan for voting the only interaction I had with the Democratic campaign was them begging, PLEADING for money. A dozen texts a day. Two dozen emails. Three or four phone calls a day that never left a voicemail and have stopped since the election. (I didn’t answer them.)
If that’s what the rest of the Democratic base was subjected to it’s no wonder they had a bad taste in their mouth about the election. Even though Trump won a part of me is glad the harassment has stopped.
All I ever saw were ads of Obama asking for five dollars. Everytime I saw it all I could think was “Damn this is going to piss people off.”
If by delivery you mean “lies and propaganda”.
Um, it’s called sparkly commercials if it’s from capitalism, it’s only propaganda if it’s from the province of communism.
Precisely.
Dems need to do the exact same thing, and more.
I don’t know if this kind of thing is captured very well but I wonder how many voted blue for other Federal offices but simply skipped President. I understand the general motivation behind “sending a message” and “leaving this one up to chance” but good Lord.
This is like me refusing to “play chase” with my kid even though he’s running right towards the street. It’s annoying as fuck every time but the consequence of me “refusing to play” could be dire. After I save the little shit for the 10th time I punish him, but in a way that doesn’t kill or cripple him for life.
I don’t know if this kind of thing is captured very well but I wonder how many voted blue for other Federal offices but simply skipped President.
Trump won PA by 144,739 votes, but Casey is only trailing McKormick by around 40,000 votes, which may get narrower as all the ballots are counted.
So I’d rate this plausible.Edit: In the other statewide races the democrats lost by even more than Harris did, so I’m not rating this plausible.
Jesus christ, this is what unaffordable education does to people. For fucks sake. I mean it’s only fitting for a population that can’t figure out that someone advertising a 1/3lb burger and directly comparing it to the competition 1/4lb, bragging about the price being the same, might indicate that 1/3lb is more despite 3 being a smaller number. What a combination, people that belive their thoughts are the only source of truth while having no clue what they’re talking about.
Education is free
Attention is not
Fucking barely. American public schools suck, any school worth a damn in the states will put you in crippling debt. In other words not worth a damn again to most people.
I double checked if there actually are any good free schools and especially free collages. Turns out yes, there are some, but it’s definitely not the norm.
Coursera and edx provide a full education on a wide array of topics, and a lot of the liberal arts and sciences are considered so valueless that there’s free information everywhere.
As for public schools, some are indeed garbage but a lot are fine. Unfortunate luck of the draw just like everything else.
Learning is more about wanting to learn.
I saw on more than one occasion that guys didn’t vote for Kamala because she didn’t go on Joe Rogan’s podcast.
Honestly I think she may have won if she did that…
I agree it would have been the right move but I doubt it would have convinced 10 million people to vote.
The Left pushing Joe Rogan into an Alt-Right Echo Chamber was one of the worst disasters to happen to a Podcast. He used to hear from both sides, but then people started cancelling him and Left-leaning figures boycotted appearances on his show…
So he went further and further right as those were now the only guests he had…
Reminds me of another guy who just repeats the last thing someone said to him. I forget his name.
No I’ve held this view for awhile…
Seeing Joe go from “The guy who got Dawkins to admit there might be a Heaven by simply talking to him about psychadelics” to “The Transphobic Vaccine Denying Douchebag who pretends Jordan Peterson is a viable life guru” was pretty sad.
Fair enough. Honestly the only episode I ever watched was with Survivorman Les Stroud. Les seems absolutely convinced there is a rare ape species in Cascadia, and he convinced me. So many years ago. Now that I’m a stupid old man, I realize he was playing a bit the entire time.
Here’s the whole thing. Which I haven’t watched in forever. I’m stoned. I’m not going to look for the part anymore.
This is fucking nuts. Some of those answers are people being so uninformed and then acting like they’re the ones that are informed. Some even voted for Trump because they think he’s anti-war and will stop the Genocide in Gaza despite him wanting to turbocharge it. It’s just. Fucking depressing. I don’t know how to counter this. The far right has created a media ecosystem that allows them to feed trash into their viewers brains even if it’s a blatant lie and those people will go from voting for a blatant racist and fascist who thinks people of color are not real Americans, to voting for a left leaning woman of color.
It’s almost like they don’t have any actual morals or beliefs and only care about being anti-establishment. Some say they’d vote for Bernie but instead voted for Trump despite them being completely opposite people. These people don’t have media literacy. They’ve been brainwashed, and I don’t know how to fix it.
The thing AOC, Bernie and Trump do have in common is that they are all populists. That they would also have accepted AOC or Bernie means that they dont necessarily want a demagogue, but its also not a deal breaker for them.
We need to stop with the brainwashing talk. A few people on the fringe were clearly mentally ill, but the rest of them had agency and they made a choice.
Trump is a pseudopopulists, he fools people into thinking he is fighting for them while fighting for himself.
Everyone thinks their populist is the real deal and the others are frauds, but at the day populism is not about good policy, it’s about making a show of putting up a fight. There have been many populists in political history and only a very small percentage have been materially helpful to their constituents.
I get what you’re saying. And agree somewhat. But I think you don’t have to be mentally ill or an idiot or whatever to be brainwashed. But being brainwashed is 100% what a lot of people on the right are and refusing to use that term might make sense in some regard, but it also doesn’t properly address how we could go about fixing things. While I don’t fully know how to fix this, treating it like brainwashing is the only way we can address it, as long as we also approach these people with patience and compassion and try to show them why what they spout is brainwashed.
It’s a cult ya know? And cults are brainwashed. And calling people mentally ill or idiots for falling for it will definitely just make them double down. But it’s still brainwashing.
If half the population is actually susceptible to brainwashing over Facebook then democracy itself is unworkable. These people clearly have preferences and are making choices, including the choice to know very little about what they vote for. Im afraid that patience and compassion will only encourage this behavior.
If half the population is actually susceptible to brainwashing over Facebook then democracy itself is unworkable.
It’s a bit like how the divine right of kings couldn’t survive the invention of the printing press
We’re all brainwashed in the US though. We’re all in the USA cult here while our taxes bomb and starve millions of people. We still vote for blue even when they continue the embargo on Cuba and we bomb the poorest countries in the world.
Trump ain’t no fucking populist, he tried to dismantle democracy, ignore every human right, and said out loud he plans to do it all again.
people being so uninformed and then acting like they’re the ones that are informed
I see you’ve met my Trump-supporter/Qanon MIL
they think he’s anti-war and will stop the Genocide in Gaza
He’s an IRL Peacemaker… He wants peace in Israel and doesn’t care how many have to die to achieve it.
only care about being anti-establishment.
I bet they’d feel differently if the establishment had a meaningful impact on their lives.
This is my thoughts exactly the one person who said Harris had no plans when she did and Trump literally had 0 it’s insane.
I honestly doubt people who vote for AOC and Trump in her district are in any way representative of the swing state voters that actually decide the election. Engagement is what went wrong, obviously, but how it went wrong in those two places can be very different.
My state actually overwhelmingly voted for a Blue Governor… and a Red President
I feel like my brain is getting hijacked. Maybe that’s the point of articles like these.
Authoritarianism prep.
