I’m actually getting a bit upset at these idealists. They have this childish notion that democracy works in this tit for tat way where politicians “earn” your vote by instating policies that benefit you and that you believe in. Like grow the fuck up already.
“Permanently installed”?
Voters voted a fascist ‘as a punishment’ knowing full well what was going to happen?
That’s akin to blaming your significant other for your decision to cheat on them.
Dear voters who pulled this shit: Go get some big pants on and wear some blame. While you’re at it grow the fuck up.
No, it’s the democrats fault!
The left: Infighting is why Kamala lost!
Also the left: In this essay I will detail every faction of the left that is guilty of infighting, and why they are wrong…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsAVupx6gOI
The democrats are now throwing trans people under the bus!
Yeah, it’s advised to vote for the lesser evil, unless you’re literally choosing between Mussolini and Hitler, but you need to provide even more than being better on social issues than Trump. I cannot vote in the US, but saw many of those who could begging the democrats to put a weapons trade embargo on Israel. They were already being called “too antisemitic” even by dumping all the weapons into Israel anyways.
I voted for Kamala…
It’s the Democrats fault.
It is both.
A LOT of the US voters want exactly what Trump is saying. 77 million adults heard all of his fascist rants, and said “That’s my guy!” Also the majority of people who voted Biden, then sat out this one, are older, white, men.
The DNC also aren’t messaging to the people who don’t like the GOP, they are messaging towards those who are statistically most likely to have voted for them in the past, and are most likely to vote in general. They also are watching what the GOP is saying, seeing the rabid fervor their bigotry elicits, and work elements of that into their messaging, because it’s working for the GOP, thus it’s working.
This meme makes me so mad. It completely misses the point that the government is supposed to be working for us. They are here to make our lives better from our collective power. The right to rule is derived from the will of the people. You are misunderstanding how government is supposed to function on an essential level.
Making it out to be the voters fault because we didn’t like the shit sandwich that the were serving us is absolutely incorrect. Harris had zero progressive ideas in her platform. She ran on basically the same platform as the GOP.
As soon as you start putting the onus on the voter, you are putting our politicians up as the aristocracy. You make them into our ruling class. This is incorrect. They are supposed to execute the will of the people.
I’m just absolutely shocked that so many people are acting like the voters failed, when the DNC has done this to us so many times lately.
It’s more that the left never shows up. Harris ran on abortion rights and democracy, and the left can’t even show up for their own human fucking rights and for mfing democracy. If they can’t show up for that, they won’t show up for literally anything.
This meme makes me so mad.
people who didn’t vote make me mad.
It completely misses the point that the government is supposed to be working for us.
sorry, I tried to include the idiosyncrasies of a democratic government but the meme genie told me I had to keep it under 255 characters.
They are here to make our lives better from our collective power. The right to rule is derived from the will of the people. You are misunderstanding how government is supposed to function on an essential level.
I think the only one here who has failed to grasp the function of a government is you. A government is meant to control the people. to ensure the safety and continued prosperity of society. has been that way for thousands of years.
Making it out to be the voters fault because we didn’t like the shit sandwich that the were serving us is absolutely incorrect. Harris had zero progressive ideas in her platform. She ran on basically the same platform as the GOP.
yes because the voters are never at fault. just like in 2016, right?
As soon as you start putting the onus on the voter, you are putting our politicians up as the aristocracy. You make them into our ruling class. This is incorrect. They are supposed to execute the will of the people.
either your vote matters and you take responsibility for it, or it doesn’t. pick one.
I’m just absolutely shocked that so many people are acting like the voters failed, when the DNC has done this to us so many times lately.
I’m done here, you clearly have no idea what the fuck you’re taking about.
“A jewish black trans woman would have won Alabama in a landslide, but only if she was a really outspoken socialist” - Half of Lemmy users
I think a lot of left-oriented people are in denial that Trump made no secret of who he was the past eight years, and Americans got exactly what a majority of them legitimately wanted. Trump voters know he is a bigot and that is why they chose him. There is no degree of populist social welfare rhetoric Kamala or the Democrats could have said that would have moved the needle when for most voters, electing a bigot was the priority over all other issues.
I mean, nearly half the country just didn’t vote. Had Kamala actually offered good policy it probably would’ve mobilized a lot more people. Voting against someone doesn’t feel as good as voting for someone. Kamala never offered many reasons to vote for her. Trump just offered a lot of reasons to vote against him.
That was enough for me to vote against Trump. But then again I’m in a group that’s in Republicans’ cross hairs.
This “both sides are the same” bullshit took root too hard. And now, due to voter apathy, the biggest military in the world is about to be in the hands of an outright fascist dictatorship.
I feel like there’s enough blame to go around. Fuck the Republicans for a laundry list of things. Fuck the Democrats for letting this happen. Fuck the non voters for their apathy. Fuck all the dipshits who voted for the orange fascist.
The tactic of shaming and blaming voters LOST. I understand where you’re coming from but stop doing LOSER shit if you don’t want to keep LOSING
Yeah its fucking both, duh.
False choice fallacy. Both can be the problem.
I think it was both playing chicken against each other. Dem leadership refused to listen to “progressives”, I E.: things that most Americans wanted, and the voters refused to vote until the Dems listened to them.
So they crashed into each other and now the country is going to burn down.
If these last 10 years have taught me anything, it’s that most Americans are not progressives.
Exactly this. American’s don’t care about progress, they care about the economy. Clinton was right, “it’s the economy stupid”.
American politicians are not progressive. America has not had a true progressive in decades. Today’s democrat policy has been overwhelmingly stagnant. Status quo plus a tiny tax cut for the working class.
The millions of Democrats who didn’t vote shows a rapidly growing apathy towards the party and their inaction
They had Bernie, but they backstabbed him in two primaries, to please the corporate donors. And maybe there’s the squad, at least two of them are still around.
That’s kind of a difficult thing to determine, when asked almost no one says they are, but if asked about policies, they tend to go for more progressive policies, even people that identify as conservatives will agree with more progressive policies. The people they vote for however, are definitely not progressive… Mostly, there are a few.
Then again, progressive in America is pretty much basic human rights and protecting vulnerable people which should be the minimum.
They don’t identify that way but most Americans are in favor of progressive policies when asked
Evidence might suggest otherwise
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The best example is the minimum wage increase in Missouri that recently got put into law. Sinema killed the federal bill a few years ago but somehow deep, red state Americans are not progressive? People love progressive policies, they just don’t like the words associated with it.
Why are y’all so scared of blaming the people in power who failed reaching voters?
I blame both groups. Both groups are known to be stubborn to the point of short sightedness. Lemmy has a lot of blaming of both at the moment and it’s fair
why are y’all scared of taking responsibility for allowing a Nazi to gain power when you decided to not vote?
the DNC is out of touch with voters.
that doesn’t absolve the electorate from failing to rally behind a candidate that was the best choice to stop a NAZI REGIME from taking power.
if you didn’t vote, or voted 3rd party, you’re no better than magats.
I did what I had to do, which is vote.
The campaign’s job was to get other people to vote. They failed at their job.
and voters failed at their job. they failed to recognize trump as a fascist and a direct threat to the continuation of our Republic.
Angry man is better than others because he did the right thing.
Good job angry man.
It is the political party’s responsibility to put up a candidate worth voting for. We do not owe political parties mindless allegiance. You’ve got it backwards.
The government is supposed to work for us, not the other way around.
Harris was always a bad candidate and she had a terrible platform.
Anti universal healthcare, pro genocide, pro fracking. She literally got into a pissing contest during the debate against Trump where she was insisting that she was more pro Israel and more pro fracking than Trump.
The DNC has to put up decent candidates. They have to earn our votes. They are not entitled to them.
How’s that tactic of browbeating and blaming voters working out for ya?
Makes me feel better.
I guess we’ve got, what, the next 80 years to blame each other until the Nazis kill us all?
Why doesn’t the DNC have any responsibility in your point of view?
Blaming the voters is insane. The DNC doesn’t learn from their mistakes and keeps putting up awful candidates that are only there because they will maintain the status quo.
We want progress, not the same shitty economy and no healthcare and no response to climate change.
Blaming the voters is insane.
- 'Murka after electing Hitler in diapers
the DNC is to blame as well.
they gave us their choice. it sucked, but it was better than Trump.
but that wasn’t good enough for you, was it?
now look what we’re fucking stuck with.
No it wasn’t good enough.
Harris offers essentially the same platform as Trump.
I know that’s going to upset y’all, but she wants the same things but with a different aesthetic.
Looking at her immigration policy tells you most of what you need to know about her. Look at her stance on the genocide. Look at her stance on the environment and fracking. It’s all the same as Trump.
So yeah, you’re goddamn right it’s not good enough.
Harris offers essentially the same platform as Trump.
Great campaign strategy buddy. Why don’t you work as an analyst?
You go girl! Blame them dumbass voters and learn absolutely nothing from this.
Are you at least aware enough to understand why they refer to guys like yourself as blue MAGA?
Cool. Nazis taking over America and your memeing a womp womp in response to criticism of your dumbass analysis that has failed twice now. Real big brains you’re working with over there.
Brother I get your mad about the election but your crashing out on a Lemmy comment chain about it.
why are y’all scared of taking responsibility for allowing a Nazi to gain power when you decided to not vote
I voted for Kamala but I still blame the DNC
the issue is two fold
a) they played games with democracy, further accelerating the erosion of whatever little faith remains in our democracy institutions. there should have been a primary, not the underhanded switcharoo we got to witness where for the first time in US history since primaries were a thing… we had a presidential candidate nominated without a single vote
b) while voters are struggling and going through a period of profound insecurity - not only financially but in a very real social sense - they offer more of the same. neoliberal status quo. people are desperate for change and the DNC offers them nothing.
you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change
you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change
Uh…
the DNC is out of touch with voters.
What is this, if not shared blame?
i guess the implication is that he puts more blame on the voters, as that is what his comments are mainly focused on.
me personally I don’t blame the voters at all. just like I don’t blame the German public for voting in the Nazis.
humans are stupid herd animals who will elect strongmen when they feel weak and scared.
i believe you can only put blame on people that have autonomy. and the only people with any real autonomy in this country are the elites, which have stuck their fingers in their ears and their heads in the sand for far too long.
the pressure pot is cooking and I think it’s too late to stop it. maybe if we were a little less greedy over the last few decades and a little less focused on the short term, we could have skipped this resurgence of fascism that we’re about to live through
but politicians only care about the next election and corporations only care about the next quarter. we are a short term society and have sacrificed the long term health of our country
Interesting. That’s an angle I’ll have to consider. It seems like democracy with fixed terms and term limits has a similar problem to capitalism: myopia.
and installing a Nazi regime that has, on record, stated they will never let go of control is the best answer y’all could come up with?
how is any of that going to make the struggle BETTER?
will unbridled fascism help calm the masses and stabilize the inequalities of the previous democracy?
will it restore and protect the rights of Americans?
you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change
I blame the DNC of being inept! I never fucking said they weren’t!
I can still blame the electorate for allowing a fascist dictatorship to take hold in American government.
Just because you call out a fault doesn’t absolve the other party, both are at fault here. I’m just disappointed that voters ignored all reason and decided to fuck all of us(including themselves), to spite us.
btw, what kind of “meaningful change” can we expect now that sweet potato Hitler is in power?
So the democrat deciding to run as the corporatist party again is the voters fault?
Even running an unpopular campaign that was guaranteed to continue genocide and corporate profiteering, they lost to Trump with all his baggage.
Maybe people care a lot less who a person is than what problems they say they will fix.
I’d suggest you move to a blue state if you are really concerned, and I’ll see you in four years for the next election.
Voting for a Nazi won’t make things better, but when people are desperate they want change, any change. Weimar Germany was democratic, Hitler and the Nazi party legitimately won the popular vote.
Should the DNC have put forward a candidate that was fairly selected with grass roots support among the wider voting population?
No, it’s the voters who are at fault.
do you think there was enough time?
use your fucking brain.
Americans that purposely withheld votes cause this to happen. point. fucking. blank.
when it actually mattered 20 million Americans abandoned their posts to protect democracy. full stop.
when a house is on fire, do you save the stuff or the people first?
Nevermind, you just want to blame the fire dept from not showing up faster.
do you think there was enough time?
Yes. Other countries manage just fine.
Americans that purposely withheld votes cause this to happen. point. fucking. blank.
Maybe they didn’t purposely withhold votes. Maybe they were just not enthusiastic enough about the DNC candidate.
20 million Americans abandoned their posts to protect democracy
This is not democracy. It’s a corporatocracy that’s one candidate away from dictatorship.
when a house is on fire, do you save the stuff or the people first
The house is on fire because the two greedy landlords have refused to do basic maintenance and listen to the concerns of their tenants.
You just don’t get it. You still want to argue about why the house is on fire, instead of trying to save the people in the house.
That’s the problem with ideological extremists. You just can’t admit that your idea sucks.
I’ll admit that the Democrats suck.
Can you admit that your socialist goals were unachievable in the previous political environment?
Wait a second. 🤔 Was that your goal all along?
No, if that was the case, you would be no better than the Nazis.
right?
Holy shit.
You could not be more incorrect on more levels if you tried.
How exactly was Harris trying to put out this fire again? By welcoming the war criminal Dick Cheney into the party with open arms? By arguing with Trump that she’s more pro fracking and pro genocide than he is?
Harris’s platform offered zero solutions to anything. Her entire thing was “brat vibes” and also I support the corporate powers that be even harder than Trump does. She was literally offering a harder border policy than TRUMP.
I’m not exactly sure what you think she was saving us from.
If the house wasn’t on fire we wouldn’t need to save the people. Your strategy will never save the people in the house. Neither landlord cares about the people, only the companies providing services.
again, you’re trying argue about if or how the house is on fire.
it was on fire!
now it’s burned the-fuck down. People, things, everything has burned.
it’s too late.
The blame falls on people in power not delivering for the working class/poor. There is no better ally for the GOP than modern spineless Dems who center their politics around them. Every third party voter could have voted for Harris and she still would have lost.
I don’t understand the “we were to small to matter” argument I’ve been seeing. If that’s true, why on Earth would you expect to matter enough to move the Democratic platform, or to shape society after leftists “burn it all down” (whatever that means)?
The argument is based on third party people who voted. They aren’t including the group of likely voters who didnt, mainly because thats not easy to calculate.
They can see how many registered democrats vs have voted but I’m not sure about the other parties, if people register for them the same way.
The blame falls on people in power not delivering for the working class/poor.
No, I’m pretty sure it was the people who refused to vote. All 20 million of them failed to identify the obvious threat to our democracy and react accordingly.
There is no better ally for the GOP than modern spineless Dems who center their politics around them.
Spoken like a true extremist. Now, the sad thing is, I never considered myself a Democrat. I was something of a hybrid between leftist and Democrat. After this election though, I’m neither. Now I’m an anti-extremist, extremist. And I know I’m not the only one.
Every third party voter could have voted for Harris and she still would have lost.
We all know that’s a lie. 20 million votes to Harris would have swung it greatly in her favor.
But that’s fine. You keep lying, and I’ll keep hating extremists.
Cope all you want. But she chooses to court Republicans and chase the ghosts of Cheney Era Voters and paid for it. When Trump can postion himself as to speaking to working class issues than a Dem. That is fine.
" hybrid between leftist and Democrat" Yeah a centrists no need to rebrand it.
Greatest campaign strategy known to man. Do nothing, shit talk your base, be surprised when you lose. Classic DNC.
You seem to have confused me for somebody who gives a fuck about the DNC.
I couldn’t give a fucking rat ass about the DNC, the RNC, Independents, Green Party, Tea Party.
I only care that there are Nazis taking over the United States of America in January. I care that 125 to 200 million Americans will pay the price for the negligence of 20 million Americans.
I don’t judge you based off of what your political leaning is.
I judge you based on if you are a fascist supporting boot licking Nazi loving piece of shit.
If you didn’t vote this election cycle, you’re as good as a fucking Nazi to me. If you voted third party, you’re as good as a fucking Nazi to me. If you voted Republican, you are a fucking Nazi to me.
Please, by all means, vote however you want. Vote your conscience. But I’ll still think you’re a Nazi if you didn’t vote for Harris.
Not because you are a Nazi, but because you didn’t actually try to stop the Nazis.
