Ah nice, you’re getting a head start on the “blame the voter” strategy for the next election. Good job!
Looks like fairly close to the same amount v9ted this election (at least in my state) as the 2020 election. Maybe slightly higher.
Lotta people are blaming the dnc for the L. I blame them for forcing Hillary in 2016, but this go around? No. Neither candidate in 2024 was a great pick, but Harris was still clearly a better choice to run the country, and anyone could find that with a touch of research. Even passively.
This time around it’s because the majority of Americans are uneducated, short sighted, idiots. They voted in a senile 80 year old republican felon, while every one who worked under him in 2016 said not to vote for him, economists said not to vote for him, and everyone else but Putin across the globe screamed not to vote for him.
But the media conglomerates are cheering. Just think how many clicks they will get now when rapey orange says something colossally stoopid.
In 2020
Biden: 81.2 million
Trump: 74.2 millionIn 2024 so far
Harris: 67.0
Trump: 71.9Trump got about the same amount of votes. Dems lost 14 million votes.
Youch. I really thought the left would feel more pressed to actually vote this time, even more than in 2020. Screw this country. There was no reason for them to not go vote. People suck.
I really thought the left would feel more pressed to actually vote this time,
Your problem is you view dems as “the left” when they are capitalists through and through. Trump is good for neo-liberalism and all the imperialism that comes with it.
He’s bad for anyone making under 7 figures a year.
I think they know that. It would make sense for them to say what they did if they knew it.
Damn it, @SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world, you’re supposed to be here to make us laugh, not make us cry.
This is Maggotys version of the Day the Clown Cried, by Jerry Lewis
Well then please lead me into the gas chamber and put me out of my misery.
Right behind ya
If you choose not to vote and you’re not happy about the election outcome, well that’s your choice.
I mean, I wish I could feel good about being able to state I voted, but it’s still pretty shitty over here too. /shrug
Yes, a Very Special Thanks to the morally pure angels who refused to vote for Kamala Harris because they were standing on high ground about some issue they disliked her on. Well done, fuckheads.
It’s kamala’s fault tho /s
It really was (or at least the Democratic party’s fault). If you take every single third party voter, assign them to Kamala, she still loses.
The real problem here is that people needed to be convinced that voting was worth it when Trump was a candidate. How the fuck do you even reach someone with such a pathetic lack of concern for the world? Seriously you people think if she vowed to stop Israel, magically these dip shit knuckle dragging morons would’ve jumped at the chance to vote for her. Millions of people told us they give zero fucks. And fuck them for that.
American voters in general dgaf about things that don’t affect them. Israel is irrelevant to your median American voter.
Yeah I agree. After this result you cannot argue that Americans in general give a flying fuck about their neighbor. It’s fucking pathetic. Zero faith in America, maybe humanity, left here.
Israel will steam roll the rest of Gaza and West Bank.
“If liberals are so fucking smart why do they lose so goddamn always?”
- Will McAvoy “The Newsroom”
I don’t think it’s fair to blame voters when it’s the politician’s job during s campaign to convince people they’re worth voting for.
Adopting unpopular centrist policies and aligning more and more with centrist Biden’s policies as the campaign went on is just going to fill voters with apathy.
The Democrats, once again, didn’t give us a candidate to vote for, only one to vote against. And I think the American people are sick of that carrot-stick routine, the Dems need to actually adopt popular policies.
And the establishment Dems are going to fight that tooth and nail.
I don’t think it’s fair to blame voters when it’s the politician’s job during s campaign to convince people they’re worth voting for.
If you can vote, you’re a fucking adult. stop acting like a fucking god damned spoiled child.
**PSA to any of the 20 million voters that protested by not voting this election: **
I hate conservatives, nay, lothe. but you, you had no excuse. you knew what was at stake and you still decided to withhold your vote to buy more time to save our democracy. for that reason, and that reason alone, I want you to suffer like they’re about to make every minority and LGBTQ+ American suffer.
Don’t you fucking look away. Your apathy or sense of justice or some other bullshit reason made this happen. You don’t get to look away.
First they come for the LGBTQ+. Then they come for the minorities. Then they come for the educated. Then they come for all of the people who ever spoke out against him.
And while I’m rotting in some mass unmarked grave with my friends and family, I’ll be kept warm with my truth.
they will come for you too.
so enjoy your freedom while it lasts, the horrors you have yet to see will mark your soul so deeply that nobody could ever pull it out.
in my eyes, you’re scum of the earth and don’t even deserve to rot with the rest of us.
sincerely, fuck every irredeemable voter that withheld their vote in protest.
You have every right to be angry, but your anger is pointed at the wrong people. Just like the elite divide the masses with bullshit culture wars, the Democratic party elite want you to blame your fellow voters rather than their unpopular platform and abysmal campaign.
If you can vote, you’re a fucking adult. stop acting like a fucking god damned spoiled child.
I’ve seen this attitude repeated ad nauseum these last few weeks, from people discussing Harris with conflicted undecided voters. And your attitude and aggression is exactly what all of them received, and yet you all wonder why people may have stayed home?
People were vocal about their complaints regarding the Democrat’s platform, and they were ignored. If democracy is so important, why the fuck couldn’t the Democratic party adopt more progressive policies?!
Like, apparently it’s completely reasonable to expect people to do what you say with no promise of even addressing their concerns, nevermind actually addressing, but it’s completely unreasonable to just choose not to participate in the system?
You’re not entitled to someone’s vote, regardless of the circumstances. Stop blaming your fellow countrymen and women for not feeling represented, and start screaming at the party who fucking refused to represent them.
Stop blaming your fellow Americans for the Democrats running a platform so unpopular, 14 million Democrats that voted in 2020 chose to stay home.
Stop blaming your fellow Americans for the DNC hiding Biden’s mental acuity issues for well over a year, humiliating himself (and our country) on stage at his debate before hastily cramming a candidate the party didn’t have a say in, and running her on policies that their constituents were vocally against.
As a trans woman, you’re damn right I’m fucking terrified, and I’m fucking angry.
But my anger is at the Democratic party, who decided that spending decades appeasing the Republicans and giving the American people nothing that they’ve been promised, who knew the consequences of this election and decided a 2016 rerun was the only viable option, who paraded Republican after Republican across the DNC stage while snubbing Palestinian Democrats from speaking, and then sending Bill Clinton to lecture the electorate about why Israel has the right to genocide Palestine.
The Democratic party had fascism at the gates, and passed all responsibility onto their voting base instead of checks notes listened to their fucking constituents.
So don’t get angry at your disillusioned and apathetic neighbor, they’re a symptom of the system being unrepresentative of the people for so many years.
Direct your anger at the DNC, demand they start listening to their base, demand that they start trying to garner non-voters with popular policies instead of moving further right to appeal to moderate Republicans.
Or better yet, send them letters regularly, like I plan to do, reminding them that all of the awfulness the American people are living through is a direct result of their entitlement and hubris. Maybe throw in their that they could probably get elected if they actually listened to the American people and ran on policy that reflected what they want.
But that’s probably too radical, let’s just keep blaming the electorate for wanting to participate in a system that represent them, not one that runs on “Please, we promise, last time we’re delaying fascism/the other guy, for realz for realz this time, we’ll totally enact all the laws, just give us more money you don’t have and give us four more years.” But, I’m clearly not as educated and smart as the people running the DNC, I mean, I haven’t lost 4 out of the last 7 elections trying to run the same playbook everytime,
They just have to run a candidate people want to vote for, not a candidate people have to vote for. But they won’t, because the DNC seems to think they know what people need better than they do. And their voting results this year clearly show that…
How much did voter purges and other voter-suppression measures contribute to the lower turnout?
Do you think it accounted for the 14 million Dem voters who voted in 2020 but stayed home in 2024?
I doubt it.
your response is tone-deaf and meaningless.
this election was an armed robbery and 20 million witnesses just watched it happen because they wanted to “teach the victim a lesson.” how fucked up is that?
I blame the DNC, I blame them for dragging us to this point.
I blame the RNC, I blame them for pushing us to this point.
But most of all, I blame Americans that idly stood by and let this happen. You had the opportunity to swing everything blue. had the opportunity to pressure them for four more years. had the opportunity to set the stage for some real change in 2028.
you fucks sold us up the fucking river for your pride and arrogance.
I’m fucking mad as hell, and you want to tell me where I need to direct my anger? Fuck your arrogant idealistic dream. You want me to direct my anger? How about I direct my fucking anger at you? The one who’s trying to fucking manipulate me into attacking their opposition. I fucking know who I’m mad at.
fuck you, and fuck those 20 million Americans that willfully withheld their votes. I hope every single one of you chokes on your arrogance and pride when you’re fucking starving in the camps those monsters are going to put us in.
this election was an armed robbery and 20 million witnesses
This is just ridiculous, it was not an “armed robbery.” You don’t need to exaggerate to try and make your misguided point.
Even I expected there to be conflict at polling locations, and minus that machete kid, nothing of note made it across my screen.
“teach the victim a lesson.” how fucked up is that?
How fucked up is it to demand someone’s vote while telling them they’re families lives don’t matter? The DNC did that, not anyone else. That’s been their whole play entire fucking campaign.
I blame the DNC, I blame them for dragging us to this point.
I blame the RNC, I blame them for pushing us to this point.
Good, that’s where the blame should be.
You had the opportunity to swing everything blue. had the opportunity to pressure them for four more years.
They pressured them the last two years and the DNC refused to budge on damn near anything.
It wasn’t non-voters who lied about Biden’s mental health. It wasn’t non-voters who pushed him through the majority of the primary while keeping pertinent health information of his secret. It wasn’t non-voters who humiliated their candidate, party, and country during a national debate because they thought they could hide his mental health decline. It wasn’t non-voters who then pushed through a candidate the constituency didn’t nominate, on a platform they didn’t want, while suppressing any criticism of the DNC.
100,000 people cast protest votes in Michigan alone over the Palestinian genocide, which is more than the number of votes Harris lost Michigan by. They put pressure on the DNC to take them seriously and heed their concerns, and what did the non-voters, I’m sorry, the DNC do in response?
They had how many Republicans on stage at their national convention, but no Palestinians? They sent Clinton to lecture Muslim and Arab voters that Israel was justified in their genocide because “self defense.”
had the opportunity to set the stage for some real change in 2028.
The Democrats have promised “real change is just four years away, we promise this time” since I was fucking born. Guess what? That bullshit excuse isn’t flying anymore. Being sold the fucking status quo every fucking election cycle is old, and it’s cost the DNC 4/7 the last elections.
So better they just keep fucking using it and expecting the voters to deal, instead of changing their fucking platform to reflect the populace.
you fucks sold us up the fucking river for your pride and arrogance.
Again, that’s the DNC.
I’m fucking mad as hell, and you want to tell me where I need to direct my anger?
You all demanded everyone vote the way you wanted, regardless of how they felt. So yeah, I am telling you where to direct your fucking anger, and it shouldn’t be at people like me.
Who voted fucking Harris, btw, you fucking twat. Begrudgingly, despite my displeasure with almost everything she stood for. And if you look at my comment history, you’ll see I remained adamant that no one should vote for Trump while still trying to paint a fucking realistic picture of the situation.
Fuck your arrogant idealistic dream.
Didn’t realize “maybe the DNC should have platformed on policies that their constituents were vocal about during the campaign” was an arrogant idealistic dream.
Guess I should just settle for the status quo and hope the party that just showed me they wouldn’t budge will maybe budge in four years.
You seriously hear yourself think this way, and go, “Yep, it’s the people who are wrong, not the party.” Fucking serious?
The one who’s trying to fucking manipulate me into attacking their opposition.
My opposition? This is what’s fucking wrong with you fucking children on this website.
You want some hard fucking truths from someone who’s supposedly your fucking enemy?
NO ONE fucking owes you anything in life. They don’t owe you their protection, they don’t owe you the truth, they don’t owe you fucking anything.
So when you entitled fucking children scream and shout about all the people who didn’t vote, you need to remember that they don’t owe you fucking shit.
You weren’t entitled to anyone’s vote simply by virtue of wanting to stop fascism, so fuck right off with this entitlement that all fucking liberal elite assholes seem to think they deserve.
Harris was not entitled to anyone’s fucking vote, she needed to fucking earn them. Which I thought was the whole reason I got fucking 12 fucking emails every day telling me how much they need more money.
But they fucking didn’t, and now we all suffer the consequences of their fucking arrogance and hubris. And even now, miserable entitled fucks like you actively make me just want to not vote anymore, because you fucking refuse to try and understand anything from anyone’s point of view but your fucking own.
So no, fuck you. Maybe you and the rest of the DNC who seem to know best (but can’t fucking win an election to save their life) will understand that you can’t fucking win an election without votes, and you can’t fucking win votes without appealing to the fucking voters.
That’s not putting forward your platform and demanding they meet you where you are. That’s putting your platform forward, and then fucking modifying to reflect what your base is telling you they want, like a fucking professional fucking adult.
Career politician couldn’t fucking beat a convicted felon fascist who killed over a million Americans, and non-voters are to blame?! Fucking Christ.
This is just ridiculous, it was not an “armed robbery.” You don’t need to exaggerate to try and make your misguided point.
Its called a metaphor
How fucked up is it to demand someone’s vote while telling them they’re families lives don’t matter? The DNC did that, not anyone else. That’s been their whole play entire fucking campaign.
Answer me this. How fucked up is it to tell women and lgbt people that our lives are worth less than people halfway across the world who hate us just as much as Republicans. Because thats what you abstainers did.
They pressured them the last two years and the DNC refused to budge on damn near anything.
If you tried for two years and got nowhere, maybe the blame circles back to yall not accepting a clear “no”.
It wasn’t non-voters who lied about Biden’s mental health. It wasn’t non-voters who pushed him through the majority of the primary while keeping pertinent health information of his secret. It wasn’t non-voters who humiliated their candidate, party, and country during a national debate because they thought they could hide his mental health decline. It wasn’t non-voters who then pushed through a candidate the constituency didn’t nominate, on a platform they didn’t want, while suppressing any criticism of the DNC.
It wasnt the DNC either. Biden chose to try to run, against the advice of basically everyone around him. On the other hand, you might be the only person who isnt a Republican to give a shit about wanting a primary. Definitely the first Ive encountered.
100,000 people cast protest votes in Michigan alone over the Palestinian genocide, which is more than the number of votes Harris lost Michigan by. They put pressure on the DNC to take them seriously and heed their concerns, and what did the non-voters, I’m sorry, the DNC do in response?
See what I said above about ignoring a clear no, and telling the rest of us marginalized Americans we matter less than Palestine.
The Democrats have promised “real change is just four years away, we promise this time” since I was fucking born. Guess what? That bullshit excuse isn’t flying anymore. Being sold the fucking status quo every fucking election cycle is old, and it’s cost the DNC 4/7 the last elections.
The reason the DNC doesn’t push progressive candidates, above all else, is that progressives cannot be counted on to vote. Why would they appeal to you when they know the moderate conservatives will at least show up.
You all demanded everyone vote the way you wanted, regardless of how they felt. So yeah, I am telling you where to direct your fucking anger, and it shouldn’t be at people like me.
We demanded people vote against an obvious evil which would be worse for Palestine than Harris. That was never up for debate. The most basic of realpolitik should’ve told you all to vote for her regardless if saving Palestinian lives was your goal. As evidended by…
Who voted fucking Harris, btw, you fucking twat.** Begrudgingly, despite my displeasure with almost everything she stood for. And if you look at my comment history, you’ll see I remained adamant that no one should vote for Trump while still trying to paint a fucking realistic picture of the situation.
Congratulations, you get a cookie. Now why couldnt the other 14,999,999 work that one out?
Didn’t realize “maybe the DNC should have platformed on policies that their constituents were vocal about during the campaign” was an arrogant idealistic dream.
Guess I should just settle for the status quo and hope the party that just showed me they wouldn’t budge will maybe budge in four years.
Wanting the DNC to field a more progressive candidate isnt wrong. Expecting them to do so in response to not voting is an idealistic dream, and blaming them for siding with the faction that can be trusted to show up is the arrogance.
You want some hard fucking truths from someone who’s supposedly your fucking enemy?
NO ONE fucking owes you anything in life. They don’t owe you their protection, they don’t owe you the truth, they don’t owe you fucking anything.
Noone owes us protection, but we owe Palestine? That makes sense/ And, tell me again, which candidate was better for them?
So when you entitled fucking children scream and shout about all the people who didn’t vote, you need to remember that they don’t owe you fucking shit.
You weren’t entitled to anyone’s vote simply by virtue of wanting to stop fascism, so fuck right off with this entitlement that all fucking liberal elite assholes seem to think they deserve.
So Im not entitled to anyones vote, as an American trans woman. But Palestine is? You are at best inconsistent, and at worst a hypocrite. And the fact stopping fascism wasnt a good enough sell to earn those votes says more about you than our entitlement
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A reasonable person votes against the enemy after a certian point, even if that means electing a fucking banana. Why did you need to convinced to vote against Trump? Why wasnt that a given? One of you answer us that please
A reasonable person understands running the same strategy over and over and expecting different results is literally the definition of insanity.
But it’s perfectly ok for the DNC to trot out nothing but the status quo for their voters? After over a decade, they can’t promise anything beyond “not fascism” to their voters and the rest of the population?
And I already answered you: Harris needed to convince voters to vot for her, or against Trump. That’s a politicians job during a campaign, and she failed miserably.
So now explain to me why the average voter has to keep swallowing a shit sandwich, but the political party that keeps failing using the same failed strategy, why don’t they have to change? Why is it so unreasonable for them to adopt more popular, progressive policies that voters actually want?
I’ll wait, you can go ahead and explain that.
People weren’t happy so the DNC booted Biden and put in Harris who is a strong candidate given the situation.
Still the fickle left wasn’t happy and over ten million voters who voted Biden before wouldn’t turn out for her.
I wouldn’t blame the democrats for going harder right now to both eat away at the republican’s support and target the people who actually turn out to vote.
Trump got less votes in 2024 than 2020.
Why did you need to be convinced to vote against Trump?
I voted for Harris. Roughly 60% of American voters who are eligible don’t vote.
Harris needed to convince those voters that she was either worth voting for, or Trump was worth voting against.
She failed to convince them of either, so they stayed home, along with 14 million Dem voters she failed to convince to vote blue like they did in 2020.
How was anyone not already convinced to vote against Trump again? Its not like he changed in four years
We didn’t. Most people did. Candidates running for office are a popularity contest. Biden has low approval ratings, Harris said she’s Biden and wouldn’t change most polices.
Trump is much much worse, and I voted for Harris in California despite knowing it didn’t change how North Carolina or Iowa could have gone.
At some point “I’m not Trump” gets tired and going “I’m just like the guy in office who was so unpopular he dropped out, but I will give Republicans what they want on border policy and appoint them to my cabinet” reads more like Diet Trump than “I will give you policies that sway people away from fascism.”
Even a single life less harmed is worth it for that vote. People clearly arent that ethically committed if they needed to be convinced to vote against this
For a non-American this thread and other like this are hilarious: the people who spent the last year campaigning “Vote Not Trump” now blame everybody else but themselves for how their strategy of having a candidate who did nothing to appeal to voters and sold fear of the other instead, failed miserably.
So they post tons of such “it’s the fault of everybody else” memes as topics were they and other members of the tribe make posts with wild ass reasons for why it really is everybody else’s faults and responding to such posts from others by basically saying “yeah, you’re so right”, like one gigantic circle jerk, pretty much a continuation of what they were doing for a whole fucking year - a big fat circle jerk whilst not paying attention to anybody else - only now they’re doing it with sad faces.
Sure, it’s the 14 millions who stayed home that are to blame, not the massive incompetence of the DNC and the mindless tribalist muppets trading dumb Trump and Vance memes whilst thinking that their “leaders” deserved a win merelly for wearing the right pin on their jacket and not being Trump, without needing to actually have policies that appealed to their natural voters.
“Bloody natural Democrat voters, not going to polls and doing what they’re supposed to do!”
What a heady, heady mix of stupidity and sense of entitlement.
Reminds me of the whole saying: “Only two things are infinite - the Universe and Human Stupidity - and we’re not sure about the first”
Alright! So Palestine is free now, right guys?..right?
Palestine is freed… from existing.
If Kamala lost the election because she wasn’t in support of Palestine then why didn’t she just support Palestine?
Maybe make your one issue election about your country and not others? And I mean if you really cared about Palestine, you wouldn’t have stood off to the side and let Trump through, cause now you’ll get to watch the complete annihilation of Palestine, and even more of your tax dollars will go towards the genocide
With Kamala you had someone you could work with and who responds to bad press and would have buckled to your demands. Now you got Trump who gives zero fucks about what you don’t like
I’m not American and you didn’t answer my question.
If pro-palestinian one issue voters lost Kamala the election, why didn’t she appease them? Why are the voters to blame and not the democrats?
It wasn’t the one issue, it was just the one that stuck with people who needed an excuse to not show up and vote for a woman.
That’s an excellent question. The Harris campaign decided to not let Palestinians speak at the DNC. The Uncommitted movement offered to endorse her but the staff refused to let any Palestinian Americans do so on camera, even with pre-vetted remarks. It’s mystifying and one of the major blunders of the Harris campaign.
Harris seemed hyper focused on avoiding any criticism by Trump or Republicans. Hence she wouldn’t meet with Palestinian-Americans and avoided all the Muslim voters in Pennsylvania who were trying to meet with her. She was working so hard to get Republicans to flip and support her, which is why she did a rally with Liz Cheney and talked about how much she’d help Israel, and decided the Arab-American and Muslim-American votes were expendable if it meant getting more Republicans.
Hillary tried the same strategy in 2016, and it failed badly. Throwing one of the most loyal democratic voting blocs under the bus to get Republicans to flip for them, has been a strategy of 2 of the last 3 elections (Biden promised to undo the Muslim ban but nothing else, so I don’t know if that counts) and they keep repeating this playbook with the same results. I fear that in 2028 they won’t even try to get our votes again and will try to cozy up to Trump’s Muslim ban in hopes that Republicans flip to democrat once again.
I suppose that is one way to misread what was typed. GJ
What are you saying then?
I already said it…it isn’t my job to make you read it better. If you actually want to know then you will try again and do better, if not then you can shout into the void until you feel better.
sick bro
That’s not why she lost the election. The whole “Democrats support genocide!” meme was a propaganda technique to suppress Dem voter turnout. It had an effect, but on its own, I don’t think it was decisive. Sadly, most Americans, including Democrats and progressive, don’t give a shit about the Palestinians, except to cry crocodile tears. And the vast majority of the Republicans are fine with further expanding the genocide.
The genocide will finally stop!
Because there won’t be anyone left to kill
Of course they are! The non-voters and 3rd party voters did exactly what they said they’d do to free Palestine and now It’s all flowers and hugs as far as the eye can see over there!
Don’t mind the big sign in right in the center of their city that reads “Future Site of Giant Crater”, that’s nothing at all to worry about. Just focus on all the hugs!
Everyone in north Gaza will be dead by new years because of the intentional famine. And it will happen completely under Biden without Trump even getting to the White House.
The community is literally dying and all you can do is throw insults.
Ima be blunt. They would treat me exactly the same as republicans will, because im a trans woman so fuck me. Who it is does actually matter
Let’s meet back here on Jan 1st so I can say you’re full of shit directly to you.
I’m done arguing with you on this.
The UN isn’t lying when they said north Gaza has had no food delivered for weeks and the IDF isn’t lying when they said anyone left alive there who didn’t evacuate is an enemy combatant. The “Generals strategy” is playing out in Israel.
We’re all pissed that Trump won but don’t take it out on others who are also suffering alongside you.
I said I’m done arguing with you on this. You keep coming back for more. Walk away.
Big thanks to all the Americans who voted in favor of another trump presidency. He couldn’t have won without them.
Like every year, only about 1/3 of eligible voters did. I will never again listen to a single fucking thing people who didn’t vote or those who threw it away on a 3rd-party carriage have to say.
There are people in fascist authoritarian countries (incoming in 3, 2, 1…) who would love to vote and have it matter. They would even choose to die for it…
You really should listen to them though. They are telling you exactly what they want.
Ignoring them and then being surprised and mad they didn’t show up wasn’t the play. And it will continue not being the play.
What are you actually talking about? See, this is the exact disconnect I’m referencing. “Listen to them”? How can I, when they have voluntarily made themselves voiceless. Say what you will about the maga freaks, at least they believe in something and do the bare minimum by voting.
I completely understand being disillusioned with the election process or even thinking bOtH SiDeS are the same, but… In an election for President, Senators, House and local Representatives, ballot measures, if you’re eligible to vote and don’t, you’re part of the problem. Even if you’re okay with the status quo for yourself, children, friends, family and vulnerable people, you’re still taking a large risk in such a close election as it’s a transitional time and no one knew what the exact results would be…
I know that’s quite a rant. But all I’m really saying is they have no right to complain after sitting on the sidelines when it mattered, I simply won’t listen to a thing they say now…
Why would anyone vote for the Democratic Party ?
Like sure, you need to be racist and almost a Nazi to vote for the Republican Party but what did the Democrats bring to the table ?
Nothing, Kamala was campaigning on nothing because she told everyone she was going to be like Biden. By looking at polls you will we that people are feeling economically worse off right now that 4 years ago. Biden did this, the Democrats did this, if they wanted to win they would have run a different candidate (or actually done the primaries) that would become a symbol for change.
But instead they just decided, undemocratically, to run the VP, the one person other than Biden that is responsible for the policies of the last 4 years. And then Kamala H. even said to people at rallies that she was going to be like Biden !? Thats crazy, it really makes you wander if the Democratic Party even cares about winning or if they are just controlled opposition at this point. After what they did to Bernie Sanders twice, I think we all know has things really are.
Also let’s remember that Harris also decided that she would campaign in favor of Genocide ! How crazy is that, the party supposedly on the left was already completely supporting Israel and they said they were going to be supporting them.
But unlike the Republicans, K. Harris would also say some empty words about how bad killing Palestinians was. Then she would obviously reassure everyone that she still wanted to support Israel until the end, because she can’t risk people confusing her for an actual leftist.
After all they were trying to convince this inexistent moderate suburban white republican that actually wants to vote Dems. And for that they abandoned their whole base.
Trump is going to be worse ? Yes, for sure. Did Kamala Harris offer any alternative, anything at all to convince people to go out and vote ? Did she actually convince people she would be more than just slightly less evil ? No, she did not.
Also if you go back and listen to her plans for immigration and the border, there is literally no difference from how she talks and how a Republican talks.
That’s why she lost. She didn’t care about the Democratic voters, and for this reason they didn’t show up. It is up to the political party to convince people of their policy. Democracy dies when you can’t vote for what’s important to you, because at that point, why even vote ? The politicians don’t care about you anyway.
Blaming voters is wrong, it is the fault of the Democratic Party and it deserve to loose every election until the reallign with their voters. Until they propose to them popular policies and show interest in their support.
Trump didn’t get more votes than 2020.
I’m not sure that statement can be verified at this point in time.
It’s close though. Big shift (so far) is 10 million ish fewer for Harris
They haven’t finished counting the votes yet. Unless you are somehow comparing to the exact point in the count 4 years ago, this type of analysis is very premature. Except even that would be a bad idea because covid made things weird in 2020.
It’ll be a little while until we get a good handle on turnout. Until then don’t read too much into it.
It doesn’t matter. You are ignoring the rot at the core. Even if people turned out and kamala won - it Trump should have broken the Republican party. It should not have been a competition.
trump voters don’t make any* deflections on who they are. the cruelty IS what they vote for. it’s not gonna break the republican party, it’s what they’ve been asking for. Trump just tapped into it. can’t do anything about those fuckers and trying isnt worth it.
I want to look at the people who just sat this round out because it wasn’t exciting and wouldnt really harm them. going back to “this isnt who we are” as a culture and pleading with them is not gonna work.
And despite that he still got millions of votes. Millions of Americans want this. We’re a country of terrible people.
Hey now. We’re only half full of terrible people. Some of us did our best to do the right thing.
More than half the country if you count the people who voted for him and the people who didn’t vote.
Don’t forget the spoiler voters.
They didn’t spoil anything.
Even if every single 3rd party voter went to her, she still loses
Half full of terrible registered voter people.
Hear, hear. Truly terrible people. It’s like half of my countrymen are the people from Always Sunny.
Yeah, both parties went down from 2020 counts. We literally had something like 18m or 20m who didn’t show up combined.
Wild stuff. Oh well, we rode this roller-coaster once, we ride it again. Maybe this round we don’t lose 2% of our population?
How about 60% down the road strictly due to climate change
I’m not seeing turnout down by 20m. Where are you seeing this data? Note, we haven’t even finished counting all the votes.
Admittedly, I was expecting there to be overwhelmingly high turnout and there wasn’t that from what I’ve seen.
The dude won the popular vote. I’m sure a lot of the shady bullshit that happened all around the country to suppress voting inflated his lead a little bit but I don’t think it was substantial enough to explain this.
Nearly every news outlet has reported record voter turnout, but look at the vote counts from 2020 vs this year.
Wait until all the ballots are counted. Ballots still being counted aren’t in those totals but, obviously, they finished counting 2020. Shit, California is still like 60% counted at this point. And they’re at 10 million votes counted… that’s like 6.5 million more votes just estimating CA.
Maybe this round we don’t lose 2% of our population?
Definitely not.
It will be much higher than that this time.
Honestly, I’m praying for another pandemic. This world is so broken that it needs a reset.
Ænema
Ill see you down in Arizona bay
I’ll bet we never find out how many were denied the ability to vote because of registration purges, bomb threats, and other malicious voter suppression.
But the fact that states both voted for abortion access at the state level and then also voted in all Republicans who will pass a national ban shows the voting population is stupid enough that this was the likely outcome anyway.
Fuck this country.
I literally heard an interview with a woman who said she voted Republican because, on the one hand, abortion “isn’t that big of a deal” and ought to be left up to the states, but on the other, “doctors shouldn’t be allowed to abort babies after they’re born.”
So this person thinks that doctors are murdering babies… and that should be allowed on a state by state basis. Which… boy oh boy, I’m not sure what to even do with a mind that works that way.
I saw a comment earlier from a person who thinks abortion is chopping up a baby inside the womb and then sucking out the pieces.
I think the Republican voters are to stupid or just in denial that Congress would ever vote for an abortion ban, even though they’ve clearly signaled they would. My boss is very right wing and last night he said to me that he thought it was weird all the commercials he saw for Sherrod Brown here in Ohio mentioned protecting abortion when it’s legal here. When I said a nation ban would supercede our state constitution he just straight told me Congress would pass a national ban.
Nah, those are rookie numbers. Gotta pump those numbers up. And they have a whole playbook ready for it this time, so things are gonna get interesting and tragic sooner than later.
Bonus points that if we make through, we can look forward to new exciting wars about water resources and inhospitable climate problems
Why not a picture of Kamala that says… “Sorry my neocon genocide platform didn’t work.”
Put up a better candidate then, it’s not like Jill Stein or Cornel West wasn’t in the primary race, where were you to vote for them over Biden? You had options, you just didn’t bother to put up a better candidate.
You are never going to have a perfect candidate on every issue to represent everyone left of fascism in the US. And this line of “run a better candidate” just means you never actually cared in the first place. Enjoy the fascism from your high horse.
Just gutted by the amount of people that would rather watch the world burn than have to vote for someone that didn’t match their 1 issue 100%, and knowing the alternative was 100% worse on all options.
I voted Harris because I know Palestinians are going to be worse off under Trump. These people screaming about genocide can never give a good alternative candidate. I’m just calling it out.
it’s not like Jill Stein or Cornel West wasn’t in the primary race, where were you to vote for them over Biden?
Jill Stein and Cornell West were not candidates in the 2024 Democratic primary election. They are not Democrats…
This is a ballot from the General election, not the Democratic primary. It doesn’t even satisfy your requirements! Biden isn’t on it!
Not in a lot of states they weren’t
Yeah, bcz Trump isn’t going to do the exact same thing… not an excuse. I’d rather have someone in office i can criticize and disagree with than this sack of shit who’s, in all likelihood, eventually plan will include death camps for anybody who disagrees with him. People clearly don’t remember how chaotic his first term in office was.
Now tha the election is over and we can see that the Harris attempt of “well, we won’t be worse than we are now” didn’t get people to vote, I think it’s okay to get angry about it. If America manages to survive this, this lesson HAS to be learnt. I’m fucking pissed off at the dems.
I did my part to try to get Harris elected. And I really am going to hate having to deal with smug chuds on the right as well as having liberals trying to justify the shitty platform of the loser.
I’m fucking pissed, disappointed, and sad for the future. We have seen this playbook in country after country. I hope to God I’m wrong, but I’m fairly certain life is about to get a whole lot worse for a lot of people, maybe not right away, but sooner than we think.
As a trans parent of a trans kid, I think we are first in line for day one bullshit. Very scared atm
I can’t say I entirely disagree with you, but the death camps thing is a bit much. In a hypothetical scenario where that is actually accurate, wouldn’t that make people like Thomas Crooks a martyr? Are you really willing to go there?
Have you not looked at the project 2025 plans?
The really funny thing is that this person was, in another thread, claiming that fascism was their posts getting “censored.”
So you think Thomas Crooks was a martyr then and Ryan Routh is a hero?
When did I say anything about those two? You brought it up, not me.
If there will be death camps for opposition, people that tried to stop them would be heros right? Military veterans have been called heros for much less.
This is the democratic process. He won the electoral college and the popular vote. I’m no going to call people heros for trying to assassinate someone for something they haven’t done yet. I’m just make a prediction that I think will come to pass, which I am really hoping is wrong. You are free to say, and think what you want.
Yep
The Gaza problem is as good as solved now.
Now Israel can definitely get through their final solution.
Don’t worry, we’ll get our own here in the U.S., and people will just watch it happen.
Unfortunately yeah
2012, 2016, and 2024 all have pretty equal share Dem votes, 2020 is the spike in Dem. So it speaks more to apathy than genocide.
Also, with Trump, Gaza is glass. They are so fucked now that the Biden stuff is going to look like a US school shooting where no one cares. I guess the upshot is that we won’t have to worry about Gaza much longer since all the Palestinians will be turned into dust soon.
But everyone knew that. Staying home just meant you wanted the Palestinians dead at a faster rate without tangential guilt. Easy for one to excuse Trump giving the nod for bibi to end everyone if you can say “well I didn’t vote for him.”
This argument is based on no facts at all. There’s no polling data showing that Gaza was even a top 3 issue among voters, and Trump won Michigan by a margin so big that it was more than every Arab-American in the entire state and then some.
AND everyone in North Gaza will be dead by New Years because the UN reports no food has been allowed to be delivered in over a month and the “Generals Plan” in Israel says everyone who didn’t evacuate will be treated as a Hamas fighter and killed on sight. That’s ALL on Biden without Trump even entering the White House yet. Biden doesn’t even airdrop food anymore. So bashing this as a “but Trump will turn Gaza into glass” is a moot point since Biden will have killed everyone there months beforehand.
There’s no polling data showing that Gaza was even a top 3 issue among voters
I didn’t say it was. As you may note from my comment.
So it speaks more to apathy than genocide
is a moot point since Biden will have killed everyone there months beforehand
One, neither Biden nor Trump are killing anyone. It’s the permissive nature of the United States and their supplies.
Two, Israel isn’t in a position to carry out the operation that you are indicating. They’re still far short supplied on that front. Over the weekend ahead of the election, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin indicated that the negotiated terms for aid had failed, which clears the path for the US to end weapons delivery to the country under a Leahy determination. Now of course Trump will resume those shipments, but critical missile deployments are likely to end for the time being, especially seeing how it doesn’t matter if Biden or Harris secure shit in votes.
Three, the UN World Food Programme has indicated about 10% of their target supply mission for aid is getting through. So there is indeed food, just not enough to feed everyone.
The thing is, the suffering will likely continue long into 2026 because Israel has every intention of sending a very clear message for future Hamas recruits. And you have a hard time sending a clear message with just dead people. The suffering and the pain is the point of what Israel is doing. The land is a nice bonus, but just killing everyone outright doesn’t show the level of suffering that Israel can actually implement. It’s that being able to drag one’s pain and misery out for years on end that Israel is after.
If Israel wanted to carpet bomb the place, they would have asked for that at the start before the relationship soured.
neither Biden nor Trump are killing anyone
Biden has publicly said that a country supplying weapons is just as guilty as the one using those weapons. He was talking about Iran giving Russia weapons that are used against Ukrainians, and he’s a hypocrite if he pretends Israel is any different, particularly when he is the one vetoing ceasefires at the UN and rewarding Netanyahu for refusing to take ceasefire deals.
“Correction, 10% of the food is entering Gaza” means famine will continue and mass starvation. A war crime against literal millions of people. Do you think that being slightly off on the death toll means it’s acceptable?
Israel has every intention of sending a very clear message for future Hamas recruits
Israel has tried this strategy for 30 years and it never worked and will not work. You’re basically pushing a “bomb them until they love us” strategy.
70% of the buildings are destroyed. Tent cities were set on fire. Palestinians burned alive in hospital beds. It’s virtually indistinguishable from carpet bombing.
There you go. Blame progressives and people that wanted good things. Attack the people that want change, rather than demand Democrats change anything. That’ll certainly get you a victory like it did this time. Is your new plan in 2028 to just attack everyone who isn’t blindly loyal?
Blame progressives and people that wanted good things
Was genocide a matter in 2012 or 2016? 2020? If 2012, 2016 and 2024 are same numbers, I’d think it’s safe to point to similar conditions in mindset.
I don’t blame the sky for being blue, it just is.
rather than demand Democrats change anything
This part doesn’t make any sense. You can’t solve a problem without first identifying the problem. You can’t change anything if you deny the thing that needs to change. Am I missing some core argument of yours?
Is your new plan in 2028 to just attack everyone who isn’t blindly loyal?
I’m not attacking them. Apathy is a thing. Happens. If some coach comes out and doesn’t motivate their team, are we blaming the players for not getting excited enough? Like I don’t understand your perspective here. Do you want Democrats to change or not? Because if sounds like whenever someone addresses the issue you knee-jerk into “I’m BeInG aTtAcKeD!!!”
It needs to be said. That’s all there is to it.
Yes I will blame the ultra progressives who annoy me almost as much as maga. Ya’ll just love to “talk” about change but you just cause more chaos for dems. Hope you enjoy living under MAGA because of your fucking pride.
It’s all talk. These people are just lazy and their heroes are lazy. I pointed out to someone earlier that Jill Stein was not an option on the Indiana ballot even as a write-in because candidates have to be declared as write-ins. And all Jill Stein’s campaign had to do to be a write-in on the Indiana ballot was file a two-page form. That’s it. They threw a big fit and tried to show that it wasn’t true by pointing out a court case where the Greens and Libertarians sued to be on the ballot properly, not just as a write-in.
Just pure laziness. They weren’t willing to put in an effort, they just posted endless rude and harassing things online for months and did nothing to help.
Don’t worry, he’ll live comfortably with himself because all the bad things MAGA will do in the next 4 years and beyond will be the Dems fault. No self reflection or personal accountability will occur.
Is there any evidence to support the claim that ultra-progressives caused Harris to lose?
Quick google search and you can for it yourself.
I’ll just post the very first link
*Perceived* leftward shift. The Democrats aren’t that left wing in the first place. If democrats are going to be perceived as too left wing regardless of reality, they might as well take on some left-wing policies, so they can at least bribe voters with stuff that obviously and immediately makes things better for them like UBI.
If you’re suggesting through LGBTQ people under the bus, that is just wrong. What would we be fighting for at that point?
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Please shut the fuck up. You got Trump in office.
You’re mad, we get it. Still, if you’re not even wondering if Dems did the wrong thing by forcing Harris as the candidate then we’re not going to win next time either. We had Progressive Obama win in convincing fashion twice, followed by three neoliberals in a row with only one of them being able to eke out a win. That should paint a pretty clear picture of what we need to do to win going forward and it’s not trying the same fucking thing for a fourth time in a row.
I don’t really give two damns about your reasons. You want Trump in office? You got him.
I’m already rich so putting Trump in office only helps people like me. Thanks man, keep it up!
I voted for Harris. Nothing I said implied otherwise. Quit being an arrogant little bitch and think about the future unless you’re content with complaining about losing for the rest of your life.
You’re arguing with a child. They don’t want to concede. I’ve been doing it all day at work. I voted for Harris and I’ve been bitching about the Dems to my fellow Dems. They don’t get it. They won’t. You might as well argue with chatGPT at this point.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Because i can’t see how it’s an actual serious argument when you have a multiply adjudicated criminal who ran an objectively bad campaign. This wasn’t a marginal low-turnout election won by only the terrible structure of the electoral college, this was a large number of people who looked at Trump and agreed.
Or a picture of Jill Stein saying: Christmas came early I got a bonus from Russia.
The one time you had the chance to actually stop fascism, you decided to not do it.
And now you blame those that tried to?
I really hope you’re happy with Trump. Because you helped elect him.
This is the third election in a row that Trump ran for president. Are you saying he wasn’t fascist before?
Ah yes the free Palestine crowd…lol wait until they see what Israel will do with no US restraint demands.
Wasn’t there a song about this in the 90s?
Pave Plaestine to put up a parking lot?
You’re thinking of Big Yellow Taxi, a Joni Mitchell song from the 70s.
Pave paradise but yeah counting crows
Joni Mitchell
(not in the 90s but cmon)
Shhhh don’t give away our age.
Uh, that is . . MC . . . Joné Mitchelle. Uh. Yeah it’s a real banger. It has that . . yeah “the drop”. Aw, so . . . bussin?
Ummm . . drill.
That’s it… my bad.
You’re thinking of the Bibi remix.
