Don’t forget an endorsement from David Duke.
thats… not how endorsements work. Endorsements dont imply any relationship.
I’m not saying that she isnt a peice of shit, she seems to be but we dont need to be making stuff up.yes and no. this guy endorsing her is because he realizes she is their best shot at getting Trump to win.
On the other hand, if I had been planning on voting for her, (which I wasn’t) and I found out the ex grand Wizard of the KKK was voting for her… I would at least question some things
It does not make sense for a career racist to publicly endorse someone at all. Maybe I don’t have the right brainworms.
Even Donald. Repub voters are all bigoted as their primary motivation, so a racist endorsing Donald likely improves their opinion of him. But they already know Donald is a racist, so that’s not new information. All it does is add a small speedbump to pretending he isn’t racist.
I’m not making shit up.
https://democrats.org/news/former-kkk-leader-david-duke-endorses-jill-stein/
That doesn’t address what they said at all.
Their last line is “we don’t need to be making shit up” and the above poster showed that it was factual. It does address one part.
Not the first part about the mechanics of the endorsement but the final part, implying it’s a lie that David Duke endorsed Jill Stein for president.
This should be the response to the comment from @sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world
Did Jill Stein disavowed the endorsement? Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with the former American Nazi Party member.
According to herself it doesn’t mean it isn’t concerning or that she didn’t earn it!
Yes, Google search says she did immediately. You should ask yourself why this fact has been hidden in the conversations about this. Again, I’m not a Jill stein supporter, and I dont know if she’s a Russian puppet. attending a RT dinner is suspicious, assuming people and media outlets arent just lying about what the event was about. If true its disqualifying in my book. But this David Duke thing that you are accusing her of, she clearly isnt guilty of in the way you see it.
“Jill Stein October 15 at 1:03 PM · A racist troll has “endorsed” our campaign to draw attention to himself, and certain smear merchants are happy to platform this troll to attack us. Of course, I reject any “endorsement” from a white supremacist like David Duke, unlike Kamala Harris who can’t stop bragging about her endorsement from white supremacist mass murderer Dick Cheney.”
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1094219788739543&id=100044545954739&_rdr
Stein made a good point too about Dick Cheney. The guy is pure unfiltered evil and a war criminal, and everyone seems to have just sort of forgotten that.
https://jacobin.com/2022/01/dick-cheney-congress-capitol-riot-january-6
Don’t forget harris openly taking money from a supremacist organization: aipac.
Mathematical likelihood of winning:
This thread mostly shows how broken the democratic system in the US is, not that she did anything wrong. Try coming to a real democracy with many parties and coalitions being formed. They actually thrive on dissent, finding compromise and collaborating for the greater good ;)
Aside from having a friendly meal with Putin, I would say that disappearing for four years, only to suddenly show your face on election years to tear impressionable young, left-leaning voters away from a party that could actually win… that’s not a good thing.
If she, or her party, were for real, they wouldn’t disappear for four fucking years.
I just wish she, and all of her shills, would just crawl back into the hole they came out of. Hoping this happens in a couple of weeks when she inevitably falls off the face of the planet for another four years.
What do you mean by disappear? Did Joe Biden disappear after Trump was elected only to show up and run for President? No it’s just that he didn’t have a job in politics so the media didn’t cover anything he was doing and he “disappeared”. If it wasn’t for the medias obsession with trump he probably would’ve disappeared in these last few years too. What do you expect a candidate whose not currently in office to do between runs that wouldn’t make them disappear?
She should work on building her party
She does, but this isn’t England there’s no mass party system where there is much off election work to do. If your party doesn’t have any representation then it’s job is to get representation, and the only time you can do that is during election periods, especially big ones like the presidential season. Even party’s that have representation do most of there work during the campaign season. The Democrats ramp up there work and engagement multiple times over leading into the election.
Tear impressionable young left-leaning voters from a party that could win
Kamala’s Gaza policy did that, stein is just picking up people who wouldn’t have voted any way or would’ve left President blank. The people voting for her aren’t stupid, they know she isn’t going to win, they’re voting for her because they don’t like Kamala and are trying to send her a message.
Biden has been a career politician for decades. He never left DC.
Stein on the other hand… Uh… What exactly does she do again?
Interesting! I did not know any of this. Sort of confirms my impression which I should have framed differently: the other candidates are so niche that the rest of the world has no clue
disappearing for four years
Baby’s First Presidential Campaign. If I’m not hearing about someone in headline news, they must not exist.
I don’t disagree that it’s bad we can’t have third parties, but you need some qualifications to hold the office, and have more than one person at each level.
Hell, I’d argue Stein is less qualified than Trump because Trump has at least been in office once. Her presidency would be a clusterfuck of every other better political group steamrolling over her.
Here’s a deal for the Green Party: I will vote for you for president if you can manage to get a governor or senator elected.
Replace Stein with Trump and it’s still accurate.
The fact that this thread replies to facts by going “b-but, Russia” like it’s still fucking 2016 is just peak political literacy from USians. Not only do they vote for candidates everyone hates, they get absolutely piss mad if a candidate tries to run on issues their voters believe in.
I thought the issue with reddit was that it was full of idiots and bots, turns out it was just full of Americans lmao.
Her buddy Putin definitely doesn’t think she did anything wrong.
Qualifications considered by those funding her campaign:
What event is this?
A dinner celebrating the 10th anniversary of RT in Moscow in 2017.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696
It’s pretty damn indefensible.
Oh look, another person who bases their opinions on gut feeling.
What “gut feeling” would that be? The “gut feeling” that she was there in Moscow to celebrate the 10th anniversary of RT? Because that’s a fact. The “gut feeling” that she sat at a table with Putin and his cronies? Also a fact.
So where does the “gut feeling” come into it? Please show me where.
The gut feeling is where you make an assumption based on the photo.
“Jill Stein works for Putin because she sat at a table with him once.”
But maybe you don’t think that, I could be wrong.
You mean you based your opinion on a gut feeling?
What’s my opinion of Jill Stein?
What a weird reply to someone who only stated facts.
Sure they did.
She has a rich list of accomplishments! Like being a Russian asset
Third party? More like ten or twelve! I was gobsmacked when I saw how many presidential candidates were on my ballot who I haven’t heard of.
lame
Fill in the blanks then.
just one ok? fight the antidemocratic electoral college unlike the democrats.
but sure after the election we will hear the democrats chip in again and talk about how bad it is for 3.5 years.
america is no democracy. the democratic party is part of the bigger problem…the voting system.
if kamala wins it will be the first time in what…25 years with no clinton or bush?!
and have the greens or jill stein harmed the democracy as much as the democrats? bernie was what people wanted, hillary is what the regine of the democratic party sent into the race and trump is what you got.
She has done as much to change the electoral college as you have.
Eagerly awaiting her next 4 year hibernation.
you got to let go buddy. the american draft of a democracy is outdated. and whats now happening to the republicans will happen to dems next: being split. liz cheney doesnt like the magas but that make them go away. unless you have a non democratic brain and think it will all go back to 2 parties. it wont. next is the democratic party being punished for what you fight for. greens will not go away. kisses to ralf nader for breaking up the murican pseudo democracy. so jill still did change the political landscape for the better even with shit politics.
They must still be typing, because so far they haven’t responded.
Various political parties could compete to displace the Republicans with more representative electoral systems. voters could choose their preferred candidates while still counting their votes against the Republican party, even if their choice doesn’t win, all without the spoiler effect. Since voting methods are determined at the state level, federal reforms aren’t necessary; some states have already implemented changes. For example, Alaska recently opted for a more moderate conservative over Sarah Palin thanks to ranked-choice voting.
Who would oppose multiple opportunities to weaken Republican influence? The Democratic Party. In blue states, they could replace the First Past The Post system with one that eliminates the spoiler effect. Yet, time and again, Democrats remain inactive on passing state-level electoral reforms in the states they control.
Meanwhile, Republicans are working to safeguard FPTP voting in red states. Why do Democrats continue to use a system favored by Republicans? Why arent they searching for an alternative to FPTP voting? It’s not that Democrats are unaware of the flaws in the voting system. Mentioning a third-party candidate to any Democrat will quickly reveal their in depth understanding of these mathematical flaws in the voting system. particularly concerning the Green Party apparently.
If Democrats understand the problem with the voting system, but refuse to address it, it suggests they prefer a tenuous balance over a potential rise of authoritarianism rather than genuinely competing for our votes. They seem more willing to allow the country to drift toward authoritarianism than to engage on an even playing field.
It appears to be party over country, regardless of the consequences.
I swear I’ve seen this same thing, word for word, by a different username.
Nah this ain’t true. Under political accomplishments it should include “amazing Russian asset”
Having dinner in the same room with papa poopin (and everyone’s favorite qanon and traitor, Michael Flynn) and not setting off a Geiger counter is definitely an achievement.
Nothing to see here. Just a quick meet and greet with a traitor and a murderous dictator.
Not good for Flynn.
If you’ve ever been to a wedding then you know just how much Stein and Putin talked.
Being President of the US is absolutely not the hardest job in the world if clowns like Trump and Bush could do it.
There’s a difference in doing it and doing it well
Can we just say that, going forward, if you’re over 70, we don’t want you in ANY high pressure leadership role.
Your career is over. Shuffle the fuck off.
Pretending these elderly politicians weren’t elected in…
they were elected in like 40 years ago, then made it their career to stay there. so yeah, they may have won an election recently, but being an incumbent and household name in the area gives them a pretty massive advantage over anyone new running against them sadly.
This is about Stein and age in general, but let me say that, for example, I don’t fault Trump for being an absolute garbage person, statistically there will always be garbage people. It’s his supporters I take issue with. Nobody should be voting in incompetent or dangerous candidates, and if they are in a position of power, the average person is to blame.
you don’t fault trump for inciting an attempt to storm the capital, or the lies he’s told to vets, or the attacks he’s invited in minorities? there’s a long ass list of things that you should very much fault him for.
I understand what you mean, but still. the blame can be on a lot of people, such as the voters, trump himself, and the massive power structure of the gop behind him that’s been weaponizing voters for many many years.
She’s also a Russian asset and a vaccine denier.
I hadn’t heard the vaccine thing? What did she say?
I read about it during a different election cycle. I remember it so clearly because an otherwise sensible friend suddenly started talking about how vaccines didn’t work when I mentioned it to her.
Hardest job in the world?
Given how big a shitshow the US is, it feels like it’s a much easier job than most leaders of state. I’d go as far as to say that if your platform isn’t one of complete reform (it never is) it’s probably one of the easiest jobs.
The US being a shit-show is exactly why this job is so hard. You’re constantly having to deal with political crap from Congress or the Supreme Court, state governors suing your administration whenever it does something they don’t like, opposition pundits calling for your impeachment, and that’s not even mentioning America’s foreign affairs. There’s a reason people call the president of the United States the “leader of the free world”.
The US has a geopolitical position to defend and it’s a never ending queue of foreign leaders clogging up your phone line and calendar book either threatening you or grovelling to you. And then there is the unique military position of being the commander-in-chief of the most powerful army in the history of mankind. So the president also has to attend military briefings, decide how to maintain and achieve the USA’s foreign policy objectives using that army, whether to intervene in foreign wars, and so on. The US just has their fingers in so many goddamn pies that the job of president is unbelievably stressful. Yes, you’re the most powerful man (or hopefully next year, woman) in the world, but with that immense power comes a humongous amount of responsibility. You could change the course of human history by merely scrawling some words on a piece of paper. You have the power to fuck up millions of people’s days across the world with a stroke of a pen or by shouting some words down a phone.
You have to contrast this role with the leader of a country that is comparatively geopolitically irrelevant—their foreign policy is probably limited to dealing with the regional counterparts and/or the leaders of the USA, China, or Russia. The President of the United States has to deal with every country in the world because if there’s one lesson we Americans will never learn, it’s to mind their own goddamn business.
Just look at Obama—the man turned from a young energetic candidate to a ready-to-retire late middle-aged man after just eight years in office. Meanwhile, the prime minister of a country like Singapore governed two decades and is still in good condition to continue a career in politics.
Stein has arranged a lot of good climate protests. Never held office though, as far as I can find.
She got elected to a town council in Lexington Massachusetts. A whopping 539 votes. The only successful campaign she’s run.
How you go from that and 5 other failed election bids straight to running for President is not something I know- oh wait, I do. If someone puts you up to it.
Depends on how you define success. She seems to do very financially well on running in national elections every four years.
Gonna need a source on that.
It’s on her wikipedia page..
Probably doesn’t talk about it because it’s such a tiny irrelevant accomplishment to the position of President, that it means nothing.
I’d say the one elected a candidate has ever held is relevant…
but you’re prolly right. (also because like “i’m a city council member I can run the country!” is such horrible sales pitch. She probably ran just to get rid of the goose egg on elections.)
Protest that accomplished what exactly? Oh yeah absolute fuckall lol.
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