It still blows my mind that some people cannot comprehend that not everything needs an exchange of currency in some way shape or form.
“They don’t do anything in return?” “They don’t get worse!” “But who compensates the people who help them?” “We do.” “But then who compensates us?”
Like do these people realize that if we give people the means to not just survive, but thrive, in our society which rapidly approaches post-scarcity (I’d argue we’d basically be there if we had better distribution of wealth) then they would have no reason to steal or kill? I mean except for the worst cases, but ya know… if everyone except for the truly evil has no reason or desire to do crime then…
Just saying imagine a world where police actually fought bad guys and just let social workers handled the wayward sheep, the downtrodden, and the desperate?
I view it as a form of capitalism indoctrination. If there’s no material compensation it’s a bad idea, which is the capitalist idea of “if I don’t make a profit I won’t do it”. I’ve seen people argue free energy is bad because the excess energy cannot be monetized, which is something you say only if you want to profit from energy.
In the US the cruelty is the point. We will never end homelessness here because its an intended feature of our economic system. It’s a constant threat to workers. Coersing them into accepting low wages and long hours in the name of stability.
It should be treated as a union issue.
“You don’t get to have the leverage of excommunication and death over our workers”
Yes, but if we don’t have so many shitheads in the street how can we justify such bloated police budgets? I would rather spend the money on our fine boys and girls in blue then some people who actually need it.
Okay, but we have to be careful what part of the budget the money goes to. If we pay the cops too much, they might send their kids to college or some other liberal bullshit; and if we pay too much for training, we might accidentally get them competent instructors instead of grifters who promise them that killing people will make their pp hard. We have to make sure that we only buy military surplus that no police force could conceivably need, and paint it scawwy black, because military camo isn’t oppressive enough.
We don’t need more cops. We - America especially - seem to need better cops.
But the job can’t lure so many people in that it has a rich candidate list, and what we see here is that cops make shit salary for the terms of the work and necessary oversight. So they can’t be arsed for a pittance when people who can do my job sit in comfy Aerons all day and bang on a kayboard for great victory (and no bullets) for even more cash.
But, better job descs needs more money, and here we are beefing cop budgets to get fewer, better cops. You can’t win by cheaping out.
For a job with little in the way of qualifications, it does not pay poorly, majority of states are above the national average of $28.50 an hour. Not surprisingly wages in south are some of the worst, but in line for that region in general. There is little meaningful oversight, they have immunity and often very strong unions.
Being a cop pays pretty well, especially when you consider the low experience and educational requirements.
Who knew getting them healthy and back in the workforce paying taxes could pay off?
This here exactly should be the goal of all those “fiscally responsible” Republicans: homeless sick dude is healed and housed and counseled until he’s back paying his damned taxes and a productive member of society again.
People who can’t cope will need a different programme, but still a live-in deal with counseling and a focus on the fundamental needs.
“Party of fiscal responsibility” is projection, just like everything else.
It just depends on whose finances they feel responsible for. If it’s wealthy people then yes they are fiscally responsible to make sure they get more tax breaks.
Homeless people cost more money than these programs do, even if you don’t take into account the amount of taxes being paid back.
So do prisons. It’s all performative nonsense from a financial perspective.
Prisons are a way to use taxes to transfer wealth from the lower classes to the upper.
The “4 out of 5” figure roughly matches what I recall being told by a head of Catholic Charities maybe a decade ago. You certainly have some percentage of people who’ve been given everything they need to be comfortable, and when you leave them alone and come back to check on them, they simply have not been able to look after themselves. But for the vast majority, it does work. People are in a safe space where they can look for work, have an address to put down on applications, and all that.
Quite affordable too; ambulance rides and jail visits aren’t cheap.
Dishwashers are an accessibility item, too. Housing should be required to have them, just like places require wheelchair ramps.
And if we have to pick in-unit laundry should be top priority. You can do a lot with a sink and a hot plate but ain’t nobody should be washing clothes by hand and having to keep an eye on your clothes, especially for unhoused people who are probably a little justified in being worried about leaving their stuff unattended, takes some energy people may not have.
A free laundry room is fine
Absolutely. I’m currently living in a shelter, and we have 3 washers and dryers, 1 of each has been busted for at least a week. The door locks, and only staff has the code. Sharing a laundry situation has barely any pros, and mostly cons.
Yeah here in Finland that is basically achieved by having a laundry-room in apartment buildings that you can reserve. In some of the places I lived, it did cost though, so more of a laundromat in the cellar of your building. But usually free in the buildings that have a lot of government supported people.
Also Finnish, and where I live it’s not only free to do as much laundry as you want up to three hours/day down in the basement but everyone in the house helps to keep the washers and dryers clean and functional as well as regularly clean the common areas together. As a 38 year old man it’s quite funny to hang around and clean with a bunch of older ladies, lol.
…and ofc that sweet unlimited internet for free is nice as well.
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I really don’t think anyone can get physically healthier (I think that’s a big point) when they are sleeping in the cold and don’t have good nutrition.
Everyone deserves food, shelter and safety
Ok Jesus.
Whats next, everyone should be able to see a doctor if they are sick!?
This guy.
Ive had it up to here with this new testament soy boy. Wheres the brimstone? Wheres the suffering?
In my day, the women lusted after their lovers, whose genitals were like that of donkeys and whose emission were like horses. Ezekiel 23:20
MY God commits war crimes on a massive scale:
The earth will be shaken from its place at the wrath of the LORD of Hosts on the day of His burning anger. Like a hunted gazelle, like a sheep without a shepherd, each will return to his own people, each will flee to his native land.
Whoever is caught will be stabbed, and whoever is captured will die by the sword.
Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes, their houses will be looted, and their wives will be ravished. Isaiah 13:13-16
HBO needs to make an old testament series. I need a GoT budget thrown at the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, after at least half an hour of truely understanding their wickedness.
Best I can do is a reboot of supernatural and $3.50 .
The “wickedness” of Sodom is described as:
Ezekiel 16:49–50: “This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty, and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.”
later prophetic reproaches of Sodom and Gomorrah do not condemn, implicate, or even mention homosexual conduct as the reason for the cities’ destruction: instead assigning the blame to other sins, such as adultery, dishonesty,[48] and uncharitableness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah#The_sin_of_Sodom
So… pretty much America?
Adultery, dishonesty and uncharitableness…
Yeah that explains my ex pretty well. I guess fire 'n brimstone is what we gonna get
In my day we’d throw people out to die just for stealing an apple.
multivitamins have been proven to be useless.
did you have an actual point? just citing random studies via google means nothing.
I was highlighting the fact that there’s evidence for both answers
there really isn’t though.
In conclusion, multivitamins were found to enhance immediate free recall memory but no other cognitive domains.
Neuhouser et al (14) recently provided an excellent summary of observational and clinical trial data on dietary supplements in relation to cancer. For MVM supplements, case-control studies of cancer at various sites (eg, colon, esophagus, stomach, oropharynx, breast, cervix, bladder, prostate, and skin) suggested that benefits may exceed risks. Corresponding cohort study results, however, were mostly consistent with no association
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002916523279101
Conclusion In this large prevention trial of male physicians, daily multivitamin supplementation modestly but significantly reduced the risk of total cancer.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/1380451
yes you can cherry pick studies to prove just about anything you want. you can find “scientific” studies that prove climate change is bogus too. there’s a lot of crap science out there. look at meta-analyses and recommendations from trusted institutions like Johns Hopkins as I linked above which you clearly didn’t read.
Thought it was just that they were useless for most healthy adults with any diet short of nutritional deficiency.
yes, that’s what we should be advocating for unhoused people, not wasting money on multivitamins. If we’re already talking about giving them an apartment and counseling, I don’t think a reasonable meal plan is much more to ask for.
Also I don’t quite get it. Who makes the money?
Oh is this so they can work?
Do they have to sign a contract where they will work for you or else they lose the house and counseling?
I just don’t see how a society can continue if they aren’t paying their fair share!
/SarcasticCapitalism
The worst thing is, this is a far more effective way to make them productive members of society. It just isn’t cruel.
If it’s not cruel, I’m not doing it!
Had me in the first half. My thumbs were really revving up.
They key is they did it nationwide. If one area in the US tries to do this, other areas will ship them their homeless.
This a huge thing to overcome. Our structure is made for these sorts of decisions and assistance to be locally organized, funded and regulated. Changing that to a federal level is an undertaking and a half. Even if it was to pass. Which it wouldn’t because of all of the above.
If you recover 4/5 from them, then your economy is going to boom
If you recover 4/5 from them, then your economy is going to boom
It has to function long enough and well enough for that recovery, and the sheer malice of conservatives in this country suggests that the city would be swiftly overrun with confused bussed-in folk on the taxpayer dime while GOP governors crow about how they’ve defeated the Woke Menace™ yet again
i got drunk and forgot why this pissed me off, but gardening is awesome
Conservatives hate these not because they don’t work, but that they shouldn’t work. They insist that the only thing that matters is piety and hard work. If those aren’t enough, you just aren’t pious enough and aren’t working hard enough, even if the work literally crippled you that you cannot do as much of it as you did before.
It is entirely about being cruel and evil as a policy.
The Gilded Age: A Tale of Today is a – rather long winded – story, co-authored by Mark Twain, about a family who inherits something like 80,000 acres of [worthless] land in east Tennessee. They spend years trying to scheme their way to wealth by selling the land, only to completely fail and ultimately lose it due to unpaid property taxes. The story is satire but it’s a sad one.
It’s about poor people who imagine themselves to be rich people in waiting. If not for this one pesky little obstacle, which actually turns out to be a lifetime full of obstacles. Because the easist way to get rich is to be rich and the hardest way to get rich is to not be rich.
On some level, this is how the average Republican sees themselves: a rich person in waiting. And they would finally get there if not for all those OTHER poor people who keep “stealing” all the “wealth”.
“Without the threat of being thrown out onto the street, my workers won’t put up with as much mistreatment.”
If you have kids and aren’t rich, you literally can’t go into business for yourself in the US…if you fail that means your family becomes homeless and loses their health care.
The cruelty and evil helps the rich control the rest of us.
mmm, yes, their sweaty, sweaty fate
I came here to heckle the person who can’t find the edit button. Thanks for making sure it was already handled.
“It’s called a reference, sweaty – look it up.”
(Maybe, anyway.)
Just execute the homeless, grind them into feed for the poor and the problem solves itself.
Holy shit, it’s not that hard.
A modest proposal really, Swift would be proud.
Alternatively the government can spend an equal or greater amount to making homelessness illegal, making their lives as painful as possible, reducing every opportunity they have for upward mobility, and simultaneously reducing taxes for the capitalists.
