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Apolitical: far right/fascist Liberal: right Moderate: right “Democrat”(USA): right leaning moderate.
It’s the media, not the people. If you read the same article from sources across the political spectrum, you’ll find the further right you go, the more information is omitted and the more opinionated the journalist becomes. So, someone who reads primarily right wing and centrist media will naturally have a right wing opinion when reading centrist articles.
While this is true, people still bear responsibility for the media they choose to consume. People wake up every day and decide to get their information from liars and grifters, because they prefer the way lies feel. It isn’t as if they don’t have options. Now, media literacy is definitely a problem. But the only solution is education, and that’s a silver bullet too slow to save us from all the extant ill-educated mooks.
I agree. Many people make the mistake of getting their news exclusively served through algorithms. They see a very skewed painting of the world based on what they’ve shown interest in previously.
Yeah, I’m not buying the “your opinions are just biases” argument. I don’t deny the influence of past experiences, I just believe humans are more nuanced than that.
Opinions are absolutely subjective, but the content they’re based on is also skewed.
If all of the news you consumed was curated through an engagement algorithm, it would change the way you see the world. Your opinions would be based on that perception.
What a horrible meme… you’re only escalating the divisiveness of current politics. Surely, people shouldn’t be defined by political inclinations.
Lord.
This perfectly describes how the Far Left sees everyone else.
Yeah. The issue with that is that there zero evidence to confirm that they’re correct in seeing things that way. Whereas there is ample proof virtually EVERYWHERE to illustrate how leftists incessantly bark about bOtH siDeS!
literally just watched a video where a guy starts off calling himself a “moderate” then proceeds to call himself a “maga patriot” The problem is the far right is never honest about who they are and what they want because they know it sucks.
Agreed. Doesn’t negate my point though. Extremists usually view those closer to the center as on the other side of it.
I don’t think most leftists see themselves as centrists. In fact, I can’t even think of an example to fit that case.
Not sure who you’re taking about, America has a right wing party and a far right wing party.
Thanks for proving my point.
The only point being proven here is your complete lack of political education. I’m not American and it’s crazy that you can look at the policies of your democratic party and call that left wing. You still have to go pretty far left from that to even hit something resembling centrist politics.
“From MY point of view the Jedi are evil!”
It’s all about perspective, and some perspectives are more reasonable than others. Saudi Arabia likely views the US as having a left wing and a far left wing party.
I think it’s reasonable to call Democrats centrists with a slight lean to the left, compared to parties globally.
Everything is relative.
Saudi Arabia likely views the US as having a left wing and a far left wing party.
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They wouldn’t have given Jared Kushner 2 billion dollars or financed Musk’s takeover of Twitter if they weren’t ideologically aligned.
I think this is a really neat insight into your psychology, that you can’t fathom the idea of allying with someone who doesn’t agree with you on every single point.
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Actual centrists recognize how extreme the right has gotten.
… and because they want slaves back. The right is focused on having women-slaves and immigrant-slaves. Take away rights, invent crimes, jail, enslave.
That’s because slavery is great for the
economycapital-hoarding class.
on reddit, there’s a place that requires you to flair yourself with your political compass, flaired myself centrist (after someone said “FLAIR UP!!!”), someone said “NO YOU’RE NOT!!!”, later took the political compass test, came out centrist.
guess what i am now, given where i currently amAnything but far-right, or as the Reddit PCM community would say, [insert series of slurs here]
Saw this gem today and it reminded me of this post
i mean, i dont think this is blatantly wrong i mean it’s not correct either, i think the main failing in their viewpoint is that trump and the maga crowd are literally fucking insane.
But if we woke up tomorrow and trump didn’t exist, they would all be gone.
I don’t think all far lefties are fucking mental, but i’ve definitely met my fair share of tankies and people who pretend to know politics while being super fucking wrong. I’ve also met plenty of reasonable far lefties though so. Goes both ways.
The far right is insane, Similar to the opposing factions of the far left, though i think those are probably smaller. The MAGA right is literally just a deluded group of stupid people, it’s just fascism doing fascism. The moderate right is probably not voting for trump, and if they are, they’re just stupid. The rest are independents, from there you start getting into the moderate left, which is generally more “centrist” than the moderate right, so they’re a lot more willing to reach across ideological differences if it aligns with their general understanding of the world. (the kamala harris campaign) past that idk, you get weird mixes of entrenched dems, and the fringe sub groups of socialists, anarchists, shit like that, though they will generally align with the broader left, i think. Past this you have the “far left” israel palestine types, tankies, uber socialists/communists, the diehards. People that don’t care about anything other than the thing they espouse.
This has been my reading on the political sphere over the last few years or so.
Generally, i think the left, currently is a lot more cohesive than the right, the right seems to be undergoing an ideological fracture right now, which is interesting. I think the defining difference is the lack of a “blue MAGA” so to speak.
But if we woke up tomorrow and trump didn’t exist, they would all be gone
They existed before Trump with the tea party, they will exist after him. The far right also exists in other countries
the kamala harris campaign
Right, not centrist. They just aren’t as right as the competition
“far left” israel palestine types
Not a left or right issue, you will find people on both supporting both sides
Generally, i think the left, currently is a lot more cohesive than the right
This has never been the case, the lack of cohesion is why right wing governments are more popular despite not being popular in a population. People will just not vote because there is no coheson on the left. Meanwhile the right will always come out to vote, even when they don’t agree with their candidate
They existed before Trump with the tea party, they will exist after him. The far right also exists in other countries
it depends. I think MAGA as it is today, would stop existing if trump stopped existing, it would probably fracture into a few different camps, completely killing any momentum it has.
Right, not centrist. They just aren’t as right as the competition
you’ll have to demonstrate this one “freedom and liberty” are some of the most right leaning things they talk about. The only thing they aren’t doing is social progressivism, which from a federal perspective i think is relatively appropriate.
Not a left or right issue, you will find people on both supporting both sides
i don’t fundamentally disagree here, but i’m talking about a specific camp of people, so it’s relevant. Right leaning people are more likely to support israel, especially farther right people. Even moderately religious people will generally back israel. The primary camp of pro palestine is younger college aged people. There’s a reason you don’t see very many senior citizen homes protesting israel palestine.
This has never been the case, the lack of cohesion is why right wing governments are more popular despite not being popular in a population. People will just not vote because there is no coheson on the left. Meanwhile the right will always come out to vote, even when they don’t agree with their candidate
it depends on how you view it. Ideologically the right tends to be more cohesive. Their views and ideas are more malleable. However the left is more socially cohesive, and given the current climate, i would expect the vast majority of the left to vote for kamala on the basis of it being “not trump” and also a pretty good shot at getting something other than an old white fuck into the government.
this was a weirdly bad faith interpretation of my comment, honestly.
Sorry, I don’t have time to fully respond yet
dw about it, shit on the internet is generally not transient, it’ll be here later lol
you’ll have to demonstrate this one “freedom and liberty” are some of the most right leaning things they talk about. The only thing they aren’t doing is social progressivism, which from a federal perspective i think is relatively appropriate.
Just more Keynesian economics, privatize profits and socialize losses. Pro-globalization
Right leaning people are more likely to support israel, especially farther right people. Even moderately religious people will generally back israel.
Muslims tend to be against Israel
Ideologically the right tends to be more cohesive. Their views and ideas are more malleable.
There are some that don’t support trans-rights despite it being a conservative stance. Some believe the government should intervene to protect the climate while others think it should be on the companies. You’ll even find some that are socialists when it benefits them (Trump campaigns left of Harris economically occasionally even if he flips to the opposite side the next time he speaks). Others are straight up communists (libertarians/anarchists)
Just more Keynesian economics, privatize profits and socialize losses. Pro-globalization
Keynesian economics is broadly left leaning, the only thing more left leaning is literally socialism/communism. Idk what you mean about privatizing profits, profits are already privatized, it’s the trump admin that wants to delete like 50% of the federal government, not the harris admin.
The biden admin literally introduced direct filing, idk what the status of that is but i heard it went over pretty well already so that may have been implemented.
As for pro globalization, that’s a good thing. Anti-globalism is a right leaning talking point, literally only the trump admin wants to do this. Although generally every society wants to have some level of domestic production, as does the harris admin through things like the CHIPS act, and the home buyer/building policies as well. These are almost always met with globalism, rather than against it, as with trumps policy.
Globalism as already stated is good for the economy, it’s good for the global economy, and it ensures more efficient and reliable production as well.
just as an aside here, right leaning economic theory literally just says “stop doing anything at all” which is worse than Keynesian economics.
Muslims tend to be against Israel
the US isn’t broadly muslim? Or catholic/christian for that matter, it’s broadly agnostic/atheistic. I don’t even think muslims are a census break out yet either? If we’re talking about the middle east, yeah muslims tend to be against most things that isn’t directly in-line with their view points, that’s sort of how they operate. As do most other people as well, to be fair.
There are some that don’t support trans-rights despite it being a conservative stance.
what? Are you saying that some lefties don’t support trans rights? That’s not a conservative stance, that’s a stance that conservatives broadly adopt. Technically in isolation it could be considered conservative depending on their personal reasoning for holding that belief.
Some believe the government should intervene to protect the climate while others think it should be on the companies.
i think most people probably agree that it should be both.
Trump campaigns left of Harris economically occasionally even if he flips to the opposite side the next time he speaks
i don’t think this is broadly true, though to be fair i don’t watch much trump shit. 95% of his monetary policy is tarrifs and tax cuts, that’s it, neither of those are really “economically left” as understood today. Outside of that he doesn’t like globalism, which is broadly isolationist, which is broadly nationalist, which tends to be right leaning, he pretends to support blue collar workers, though im pretty sure every president does (except democrats who often have effects on them)
I think if we’re talking about the makeup of the left, that it’s important to remember tha maybe 10% of the left is communist/socialist, or even sympathetic to it. The vast majority of left leaning people would be more willing to vote for someone like this, as they’re moderates, but are generally, more moderate, shocker. I think something like at least 50% probably closer to 70-80% of the left could be considered “moderate” I think there are very few “far left people” if you remove moderates/staunch dems into separate categories, it’s probably like 40/30 or something. But those are still vastly more aligned than you would see on the right.
Whereas on the right i think you have probably about 10% far right neo nazi type people. 20-30% far right/maga people (broadly aligned) and then the rest is either staunch conservative or moderates. so probably about 20-30% staunch, and the remained being moderates, with the current political climate a lot of those staunch conservatives are either shifting more moderate, or are simply not going to vote. I don’t think very many of them are going to vote for trump, and if they do, they’re pretty much what would be expected out of the average “i vote” voter.
I think this time around, moderate republicans are swinging into the harris campaign (due to the moderate proposals and policy) which is going to bleed a lot of votes on the conservative side, and bolster a lot of broad left leaning support. Even if your farther left people aren’t going to support kamala, they’ll still likely vote for her anyway.
What an utterly bizarre view they have.
It’s a shame they lack the critical thinking to realize they lack critical thinking
After the VP debate, I was stuck under two babies and couldn’t get up before CBS did it’s spin room coverage and fake analytics. During their focus group of 6 undecideds, I nearly fucking lost it when one said “I like that Vance said he’s pro-family”.
This shit repeated on my stream I was watching several times and I inevitably woke up my 8mo having to get to the computer before every last drop of my sanity was gone.
“pro family” and “family values” might be the most vomit inducing dogwhistle in politics.
Please describe someone who could be considered neither left nor right. Is it possible you are viewing the absence of left-wing qualities as being right-wing?
that’s like asking for any media that is not political
I’m left leaning but don’t like to define myself as left because that can lead to bias
“defining” doesn’t lead to bias. you are left-leaning regardless of what you decide to call yourself. The important thing is recognizing and acknowledging your predisposition, which it seems you have.
what it protects against is group ideology. I don’t want to start thinking things simply because the political party I align most with thinks that, and unfortunately, identifying with a political group can make people start doing that. I do recognize my biases when making decisions, it’s important to do so, I just find it becomes harder to do that when I start identifying with a group
So what? Is it your responsibility to lead someone away from bias because you simply state you are on the left on the political spectrum?
no, I’m trying to keep MYSELF away from bias
95% of my values HEAVILY align with the left, but they also
a) are vaguely lazy and I don’t identify with that
b) go way too far on issues I’ve done zero research on
c) never pass legislation due to never having enough political power
So I can’t support them.
c) never pass legislation due to never having enough political power
So I can’t support them.
Well these things sure seem like they could be related…
I have had so many conversations from casual progressive conspiracy theorists about how they think all the Democrats get together and agree on the fall guy (most recently, Manchin) to keep issues on the table indefinitely. You see it constantly with these Jill Stein people. I’ve literally told them the only solution is to give liberal Democrats the majority, which they haven’t had in my lifetime.
Those ones are constantly spreading idiotic takes. “The Dems and Repubs have a ratchet effect towards evil. Therefore we should let the Repubs in to advance the ratchet.”
The things they cite as Dems holding the country back are like always direct results of Repub SCOTUSes, too.
Sure, drag agrees with the left on every issue and completely supports their policies. But drag thinks politics are like sports teams, and drag won’t back a loser!
/s
People are prone to bias regardless of their political identification. Identifying as left-leaning provides no more protection against bias than any other political identification.
what it protects against is group ideology. I don’t want to start thinking things simply because the political party I align most with thinks that, and unfortunately, identifying with a political group can make people start doing that.
Oh this is the classic : “I’m socially progressive, but fiscally conservative” LOL
Fiscally conservative somehow means hoarding money under the mattress instead of investing in projects like infrastructure, an educated populace, a healthy populace, or an environment that is habitable.
Code for “I’m conservative but know a gay person and/or once smoked a marijuana.”
The thing is real fiscal conservatism relies on evidence. They just want to sell off the government so they can make a profit replacing it. A real fiscal conservative would have already passed universal education, universal healthcare, universal background checks, taken military procurement to task, and repealed half of the laws restricting unions.
The Republicans talk about laws that spend less and create more revenue, but they fight tooth and nail against ones that actually would do that.
no no, republicans don’t want the govt to make revenue. tax cuts, ridiculously complicated tax code, gutting the IRS… all to let rich people keep as much money as possible.
Or as they say, “make government small… Enough to drown in a bath tub”
The US government is so small it already fits in an uterus!
So, a Democrat?
At this point anybody can just download all the financial freedom they want, nobody is stopping us. So our votes only even matter for social issues anymore.
Well the bar is six feet under when you compare Democrats to Republicans. Democrats appears leftwing simply because Republicans went further to the right on the spectrum unfortunately. If you place Democrats in Canada or Western Europe, they would be considered a right wing government, or centrist if we stretch it.
So much this. The only thing that remedied US Democrats in this sense was their LGBT stances being more progressed than in many Western European countries. Otherwise they are in the right/far right/neoliberal spectrum by European standards.
“I want to smoke weed and not pay taxes and I lack basic empathy for anyone with problems worse than my own.”
I feel like it’s much more often someone being called left when they’re really a liberal, fash, red fash, etc.
Economically I’m leaning right - I want the state to provide free healthcare, schools, universities etc but founding a company has to be easier, we can’t afford to keep pouring 1/3 of our yearly budget into pensions on top of the budget for pensions etc.
Socially I’m leaning left - I don’t care at all if someone is trans, homosexual, whatever, and want men and women to have equal rights.
So I am neither left or right. And there also is a party that aligns with most of my beliefs (and is against some others but there never is a perfect party).
The issue is that internet politics are often viewed from a USA-centric standpoint. When I say I’m neither left nor right (because it depends on the topic, as explained above) I see memes like that come up. Although my economically right views for my country would be far left from an US-american standpoint anyway.
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Agreed, outside of union employees (teachers, police, teamsters) what employer is paying into pensions still? Certainly no small businesses are, right? Pensions are largely dead. I don’t know the numbers, but small business owners bigger costs are providing healthcare and other benefits, not pensions. Maybe I’m misunderstanding something, but this person sounds like they’re a centrist democrat on both sides of the economic/social divide.
The issue is that internet politics are often viewed from a USA-centric standpoint. When I say l’m neither left nor right (because it depends on the topic, as explained above) see memes like that come up. Although my economically right views for my country would be far left from an US-american standpoint anyway.
(Self-quoting my comment you replied to)
I’m from Austria, we have a functional social system covering healthcare, schools, universities and similar, but due to decades of regulations it is now extremely complicated and needlessly inefficient and therefore expensive (my father is a doctor so I have quite a bit of insight in the inefficient system).
Although, I’m confused what you mean by making a business easier to create,
We have so many regulations for everything, it’d be great if we just were able to create a business online within like a day. Currently we’re losing quite a few start up founders to other countries and our economy has entered recession.
and what that has to do with pensions and putting in more than 1/3 of a business’ operating budget into pensions. Seems like an unrelated issue.
In our very recent election one of the main points of our strongest left wing party was that they want to further increase the budget for pensions (“if someone has worked their whole life they should be rewarded for it properly” - 60+ is by far the biggest voting group…), and it’s pretty obvious that the current system doesn’t work (that’s why so much of our general budget has to be added every year, and more every year).
Our system works in a way where the working people pay for the people who are currently in retirement and when we are in retirement the new workers will pay for us. This system was established after ww2 when there were few old people and many young ones, so… 5? iirc working people were paying for one in retirement. Currently two are paying for one in retirement, and the trend is heading towards one paying for one in retirement.
We need a rework there to update it for today’s societal structure instead of promising people to add even more of the general budget to pensions (…populism to get 60+ people to vote for them).
You’re right wing. Just not a bigot.
Most of the time this exact meme is reposted by a red fascist zealot though
