It’s like when The Joker realized Red Skull was an actual Nazi and Defected.
I mean… The Joker is regularly portrayed as being a fan of eugenics and other fascist philosophies.
Their tropes are a bit different. Joker’s MO is to try and convince people that they’re just as fucked up as he is right before he eggs them on to do some kind of Saw Movie tier horror, while Red Skull likes to think he’s simply better than everyone else and entitled to pull the trigger himself. But they’re both sociopaths and serial killers. You don’t get bonus points for being Antideutsche while giggling your way through a massacre.
I don’t think anyone is saying he’s good. They’re just saying “holy shit, even this this insane guy who is so bad is anti-Trump”
He’s evil af but intelligent and informed enough to know that his own personal well-being is better served by perpetuating the current system rather than forcing the nation into some dystopian MAGA authoritarian hell hole.
The thing is it legitimizes them.
This isn’t a new or unique problem.
I think Israel’s government sucks, I say it a lot. Sometimes a Nazi agrees with me. I don’t say “even Nazis hate Israel”.
I tell the Nazi to shut the fuck up, and that were not on the same team.
Before Biden dropped out, sometimes I’d criticize him and a trumper would show up and agree with me. I never said “even trump supporters think Biden is a shitty candidate”.
I told them to fuck off and we weren’t on the same team.
So when Dick Cheney shows up to say Kamala’s right and trump is bad…
I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum. Ideally she could actually hold him accountable for some of his war crimes.
I dont want to see everyone talk about how things were better when Republicans were like Dick Cheney. Because shit was fucked up even back before Reagan was in office.
You’re gonna have to try harder 🤡
Have you actually looked at the polls?
The race is neck and neck.
You don’t get to pick and choose at a time like this.
Maybe they should be reaching out to working people and not Cheneys?
Show me where Harris ‘reached out’ to Dick Cheney.
She didn’t change anything to win over GOPs, they came over because they are sick of Trump.
She reaches out to the neocons with every single policy concession. Fracking. Universal healthcare. Student loans. Police reform. The ratchet continues, and all the liberals have to offer is “At least it’s not fascism” as we help genocide Palestine and corporate power grows until it’s practically the same thing as state power.
And what are you offering?
You really think that all the voters who didn’t force the Dems to nominate a true Progressive in 2020 are going to vote for some as yet unnamed candidate in November?
We’re in danger of drowning, and your response is to complain that the lifeboat doesn’t have WiFi.
Precisely. This crowd loves to talk a good talk about the ratchet or the Overton window, but offers absolutely nothing in terms of practical, realistic solutions.
No, a third party progressive with zero national name recognition and no ballot access in a majority of the country is not going to magically win 270 electoral votes if you write them in. If going viral was that easy everyone would do it. So grow up and offer a practical solution, or shut the fuck up.
you realize trump clicked the ratchet far far faster than any democrat? When republicans win the dems only ever come back more racist in response.
This isn’t an election, its a hostage situation and the way to deal with a hostage situation is to appear to negotiate with the hostage takers until you can remove them, its not to immediately attempt to kill all the hostages.
I don’t see it as legitimizing anything. MAGA pundits are even now calling Cheney of all people a RINO. Don’t interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake. If this pushes some Republicans to vote for Harris, wonderful. If it discourages some moderates from voting for Trump by not voting (WHY would they still be voting for him as moderate…but that’s a different topic), then that still helps. She should just not acknowledge his endorsement, let it fall where it will. Any attention is going to hurt someone’s feelings, and there’s already the problem of people on the left who can’t have their perfect utopia with Harris and somehow think her not winning will help their cause.
Don’t interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake.
Which would be fine and I wouldn’t have made my comment.
That’s not what’s happening, moderate politicians and mainstream media are celebrating a war criminal’s endorsement of Kamala…
So in your hypothetical scenario that’s isn’t based on reality, we’d agree.
But do you agree with me that in real life, we should be ignore Dick Cheney except to talk about how he still needs to be held accountable for war crimes?
The media follows what will get attention, unfortunately. Probably true of some politicians as well. He should absolutely be held responsibly for all he did, but understandably the news topic is how even diehard Republicans of old are turning on Trump. I note that apparently GWB has decided to not be public about anything, which sort of says he’s in the same boat, he just maybe doesn’t want or need the publicity.
Are they celebrating, or just pointing at the “betrayal” as more evidence of a collapsing campaign? Maybe if they just have the headline say “Enabler of crimes against humanity also against Trump” to cover all bases.
So when Dick Cheney shows up to say Kamala’s right and trump is bad…
I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum
I wonder if Dems always choke in Presidential races because they have people like you as their chief strategists, where vague concepts of noble virtue and ideological purity supersede pragmatism at the most crucial moment.
I can’t possibly imagine being so privileged that I could get an endorsement from a former Republican VP during an incredibly close race and my response to him would be “fuck off”.
I wonder if Dems always choke in Presidential races because they have people like you as their chief strategists,
You’d have to be completely and totally ignorant of American politics to think in 2024 this is what the party would do…
What specifically? Choke? Leave it to Democrats to sneak defeat from the jaws of victory. Or do you mean hire an amateur as a political strategist? I agree, but sometimes I wonder.
This is a trash analogy because everyone knows Nazis hate Israel, it’s part of their ideology.
A former republican vice president endorsing a democratic president candidate is note worthy because it’s goes faint their ideology.
That you choose to reach for Nazis to make your argument is the clearest Godwin Law I’ve witnessed in a long time.
This is a trash analogy because everyone knows Nazis hate Israel, it’s part of their ideology.
They don’t though. Nazis love Israel and historically have never opposed the concept, since they agree on the point that Jews should leave Europe.
The mental gymnastics are real, careful you don’t hurt yourself.
I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum
Are we talking about the same Kamala Harris who defined John McCain a “war hero”, a “true patriot” and a “conscience of the Senate”?
Worst thing for Kamala’s campaign was that endorsement IMO
I don’t think so. The rapidly shrinking slightly-saner right will probably find it pretty convincing.
Anyone that wasn’t convinced since 2020 is a barely sentient fungal lifeform.
Unfortunately it turns out that describes a lot of people.
Like a modern self proclaimed centrist. Yeah, okay bro, tell me more.
Conservatives are pretending they were always against Cheney. It’s weird.
Conservatives are trying whatever they can to make people not vote for their opponents
Can I see a clip of BET praising Dick Cheney?
They let him drop some bars on 106 & Park’s freestyle friday
I don’t think Fox News is saying anything about him voting for Harris and if they are, it’s not positive.
Not at all happening, he’s just correct once
They’ve been saying it indirectly for several years with their fawning over his daughter who has near-identical policy positions.
Including with regards to torture and the Iraq war, which she’s still saying was necessary and beneficial.
Maybe he’ll take up painting, too.
I think Cheney and most pre-Gingrich Republicans have a commitment to the preservation of the Constitution and the Republic. Once Gingrich the philanderer came in and switched the Republican Party into all partisanship mode, things changed and people who don’t put the Constitution first started seeping into the party.
Cheney was an establishment in the party long before that, so he still has those values.
But a commitment to preserve and defend the Constitution is probably the only thing I have in common with him. I welcome him insofar as that. Harris will do that. Trump will not.
For example, I don’t think it’s cool to shoot your friends in the face with a shotgun. Also I’m not a big fan of wars for oil.
who TF said he was good now, he’s just jumping the ship before it fucking explodes.
All aboard on the ghost ship of cannibal rats
Not even jumping ship, ship left without them.
Cheney is not a fascist.
Cheney is not a white supremacist.
Cheney respects the constitution.
Cheney is not a good guy.
Cheney is a ruthless piece of shit.
Cheney is a war criminal.
Cheney shot his friend.All of the above are true statements.
Agreed on all fronts except the third, more like:
Cheney realized as VP, he doesn’t have much oversight so doesn’t need to break the constitution.
Not super sure about the constitution one, but fairly on point.
Yeah, I’d argue that being a war criminal is kind of against the spirit of almost every constitution.
Seems like they are concerned that if Dementia DonOLD wins they’re going to be put on his hit list. It’s a valid concern.
The strategy of prominent Republicans flipping to vote for Harris is specifically designed to help Republicans win Congress.
If Republican voters are demoralized by the prospect of Trump, a lot are going to just stay home and not vote at all. That would lead to a Democratic electoral sweep.
Cheney and other Republican ghouls’ best option to avoid this is to give permission to their voting base to toss their Presidential vote to Harris, but also get them into the polls so they can be reliable Republican voters down the ticket and try to keep the House and take the Senate.
FFS, quit giving the enemy oxygen.
No, he’s maybe not a good guy. But he can make least-worse decisions at times.
Unlike the republicans, a person’s worth doesn’t coincide with their congruence but their congruence coincides with their worth.
