There are a lot of jobs that require out of hours support, specifically those that aren’t tied to business hours. In tech at least, many of the sites and services you use are built off the backs of software engineers that are paged at 5am because latency is a little higher than normal.
I don’t raise this to say that this rule is bullshit, but to say that there are a lot of arguments that will be used to push people to work longer than their allotted hours. IMO this is absolutely required, but I would go further and say that any contact outside of working hours implies a working contract, and guarantees that the employee is paid for the disruption caused. That includes on-call too, which is often unpaid.
Labor laws in the US are, frankly, hilariously bad. You deserve unlimited sick pay, at least 25 days holiday (separate from sick leave), and the removal of at-will employment. What is described here is the bare minimum of what you should have.
Those of us who admin critical systems know when we’re responsible and know which folks call us regarding those systems. I’m not answering a call from a random manager but If the engineering chain calls, they don’t abuse the privilege.
Hey guess what, some people have to work on weekends too. Seems like we were able to figure that one out no problem.
There are a lot of jobs that require out of hours support, specifically those that aren’t tied to business hours. In tech at least, many of the sites and services you use are built off the backs of software engineers that are paged at 5am because latency is a little higher than normal.
There is a very easy solution to this dilemma: pay someone to stand ready at off-hours.
My first job in the late 90s did just that - 1 hour pay for every 8 on call. 4 hours when you get a call (even if it took 5 minutes.)
While true, there are some complications to this:
- Unsociable hours usually require more pay
- If you’re already working 40 hours a week, focusing on stuff out of hours is going to be hard. I know this all too well!
IMO, this is EXACTLY where outsourcing should be used. Either move someone from the US (or your home country) to where you need support, ensure you have a good triage system for issues that might come up, etc.
What is complicated? You give two bullet points and a potential solution that all fall under the umbrella of “paying someone.” This solves the problem.
It’s a simple solution to what’s a more nuanced problem.
Be honest. If faced with the choice to cut hours/roles, move roles overseas, or to “pay more”, do you think many business owners will do the latter?
You need to consider the nuance here, otherwise you find a similar situation to the minimum wage rises, where businesses complain about the operations not being viable because they need to start treating workers like humans.
Yes, I agree. We definitely need to consider the “nuance” of a situation where business is asked to treat their workers like human beings.
I worked retail for 10+ years, and never once did I receive more pay for working on weekends, nor have I ever met anyone who has.
He’s known as “Mr. Wonderful” because of how marbled and tender his cuts will be when he is harvested and eaten.
Fuckers like this make me regret my career in IT
Kevin O’Leary is a cunt. Yeah, I said it.
I know people who live around where his wife was driving the boat and got in an accident and the people in the other boat died.
They all think she took the fall for him and he was drinking and he was the one driving. They were both drinking let’s be real - heading home from dinner on one of the most exclusive cottage lakes in Canada gimme a break.
Their opinion is he should have been charged and guilty.
The wife got back to the dock and took a big drink if I recall correctly to “calm her nerves” - oldest trick in the book.
Anyway, this shithead says what?
As usual they get to live and their innocent victims pay the price.
You know what would be awesome? If Kevin O’Leary died in a house fire, trapped and begging for his life.
Is that harsh? I gave up caring years ago. These people have every possible resource at their disposal to not be absolute pieces of shit. But they just can’t stop doing shit that leaves millions of people dead, injured, or much more commonly, in a state of poverty or near poverty for their entire lives because these assholes never learned how to share.
So I’ll say it again: I hope Kevin O’Leary dies in some excruciatingly painful way. Bonus points if him being a jackass kicks it off and he has to suffer the consequences of his own actions.
I didn’t know who he is until this thread, but from the few articles I’ve since read about him, I absolutely hope he dies slowly from acid burns over 95% of his body.
Just a gargantuan piece of shit, the embodiment of capitalism and the perfect, unfiltered example of why it will never really work.
Fuck Kevin O’Leary.
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Kevin O’Leary should be in a gulag.
“Billionaire who benefits financially from harassing his employees after hours instead of staffing those hours mad at concept that you shouldn’t do that.”
Repost with that as the title.
When asked whether he ever encounters employees who silence their phones outside of work, O’Leary didn’t hesitate with his response: “The next moment is — I just fire them.”
TBH they’re better off.
Fucking gross.
Unionize, folks. Solidarity forever!
Hm, unemployment collection and/or EEOC action for constructive dismissal, cool. My disability is “unable to work when off the clock”.
Canada has worker protections, too, so that would get expensive if he tried it at home.
He’s exactly the person you’d unfairly assume he is based on his face.
Isn’t it weird how common that is though? There’s like some kind of cosmic force shaping people to look like how they are. Probably fashion.
I don’t know who Kevin O’Leary, but I can tell I don’t like him.
I’m sure this fat greedy fuck would be edible if we slow roasted him, basted with a nice strong chili sauce
Some people think that barbecue - the cooking method where a piece of meat is slowly smoked for hours, often with a flavorful rub or sauce - was invented to make human meat palatable.
Long pig.
These freaks are really bringing me around to the idea.
So you’ll pay a livable wage plus overtime everytime you call me outside work yeah?
He doesn’t get overpay himself for these hours, why should you? /s
… and an on-call premium so you are always available
More context as to how much of a garbage human O’Leary is. https://www.avclub.com/shark-tanks-mr-wonderful-helped-kill-the-educational-1829339516
After reading that, I think calling O’Leary a garbage human is an insult to garbage everywhere.
You can actually generate power with garbage… This guy is a net negative on humanity.
