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Broke: Discovery is NuTrek
Woke: Voyager is NuTrek
Bespoke: TNG is NuTrek
Based on a real situation I encountered once: Normal Star Trek Fan: Yeh, I like Seven of Nine.
“Red flag” Star Trek Fan: I like Seven of Nine.
You’re fooling yourself if you don’t want to see the sharp decrease in quality post DS9. The best Trek series of the last 25 years is Orville ffs
Fuckin-A roit, mate!
LOL I had a whole reply typed out before I realized this was sarcasm. A+ example of a red flag.
You’re so threatened by people who like different TV shows than you that you have to pretend their opinions aren’t serious?
I’d give strange new worlds a pass as being better than Orville, but yeah, it’s definitely the exception to the rule.
Fair, Strange New Worlds is great
Nu Trek is, to me, just the kelvin shit. The new shows on CBS are legit, especially lower decks.
maybe I’ve consumed more and more scifi over the years to compare to or maybe the later releases of trek have lowered the average in my mind but I can’t help but see trek in general as solidly mid now
solidly mid
I hadn’t watched any Trek in a while and in Picard there was a scene where their ship was hit and started listing like a boat and I was like “that’s not how space works!”, then remembered that’s the thing with Star Trek.
I mean, once your have artificial gravity… why wouldn’t it suck just like normal gravity?
People lurch around the bridge because some photon torpedo rocked the “down is this way” machine.
Oh inside the ship definitely, but outside space doesn’t have a down. If a photon torpedo really hit the front it would push the ship backwards, not to the front and down. But it’s ok, it’s just a bit of fun 🚀
Why would a ship stay level when smacked? Artificial gravity’s not a gyroscope.
You got to remember that Star Trek is based upon submarines warfare.
If it doesn’t have 20+ episode seasons it’s nutrek
So season one of DS9 and voyager?
How many episodes has TAS?
NuTrek apparently began in 1973.
I mean, technically everything from TNG onwards would be NuTrek and Kelvin-stuff would be NuNuTrek, or rather Re-Trek, since it’s a reboot.
NuTrek started when they did a full visual reboot, including completely changing the look of the Klingons: TMP.
Then it got worse, when they followed that up with a grimdark shoot-em-up that felt nothing like Trek. These people aren’t even fans of the show!
Who wanted a visual reboot of the Klingons?
Discovery had so many problems for me: ship flies on magic mushrooms, her mom basically doesn’t care about her anymore by the end of it - the show-starting plot line, and the Klingons look like sweaty orcs.
Yeah, who wanted this visual reboot of the Klingons between old trek and nutrek?
Who wanted a visual reboot of the Klingons?
Gene Roddenberry, I guess. IMO the guy really fell off when he turned Trek into a saturday morning cartoon show. But yeah, sweaty orc is right, just look at these monstrosities:
lol, I love that you’re conflating the creator having the budget to make the show more in-line with his original vision with someone else making a lousy change for no clear reason. It’s a nice knee-slapper of a comment you have right there. Good luck with it.
TV and movie productions are collaborative efforts undertaken by a huge number of creative people, and I don’t think any of them make their decisions for no reason. The “original creator” of the Klingons was Gene L. Coon, who had nothing to do with their portrayal in TMP.
What’s wrong with the magic mushrooms? It’s not like Trek was ever hard sci-fi when it came to how the ships fly. For crying out loud, in Voyager they went so fast they were everywhere at once, then Tom Paris and Janeway had salamander babies.
It just felt so cliche, that the crazy discovery they make is that the strange stuff is alive. The writers couldn’t make it sentient because then they’d need to explain why it’s just like the Great Lake but different from the Great Lake. It just exists and Star Fleet happens to be the only ones who know about it.
completely changing the look of the Klingons
You are talking about the TOS movies/TNG? Never understand the forehead thing either
Yeah, I’m facetiously comparing the 1979 arguments over bumpy headed Klingons to the 2017 arguments over cone headed Klingons. What’s “new” keeps on changing, but the arguments about it stay eerily familiar.
“Nu” does not mean “New”.
It actually does. At least in this context.
It actually does not.
It in fact does. Not sure what it is you think it means.
It in fact does not. Not sure why you think otherwise.
Because that’s the definition and it’s not used to mean anything else.
The prefix “nu-” is an informal term used in British English to indicate a modern or updated version of something. For example, “nu-metal” music is a term that uses the prefix. The word “nu” originated in the 20th century and comes from the word “new”.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/nu
I’d still like to know exactly what it is you thought it meant.
My brother in christ did you even read the post before commenting? This is what it is referencing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal
The people who call it “NuTrek” are not too lazy to type out “new” they are using it pejoratively.
I will always have a special place in my heart for the Kevin timeline because it was my gateway drug to the good stuff. I wound up watching all of Star Trek in chronical order enterprise to Voyager.
Oh no, it doesnt mean New Trek. I have comments to go edit.
I don’t mind the Kelvin films. Karl Urban as Bones makes it all worth while.
They’re just popcorn flicks. Watch or don’t watch and it’s not like the Star Trek Universe is altered in any way. (Also, those movies are better than everything after Wrath of Khan, movie-wise)
I’d argue they are better than anything after The Undiscovered Country. But yeah otherwise I agree, 2009 is one of my top trek films, and I’d rather watch it over any of the TNG movies. Sorry, not sorry.
Largely agree, with a couple exceptions: Undiscovered Country and First Contact are good; Into Darkness is bad.
I used to think Chris Pine Kirk was better than Shatner. I now kind of feel like Pine’s the best Captain, but SNW Kirk’s the best gentlemanly lady killer kirk.
Also, those movies are better than everything after Wrath of Khan, movie-wise
boo
“I wish they hadn’t gone and made Star Trek political!”
What if I say all trek is both NuTrek and OldTrek because accidental time travel
Creative fun in-universe answers are always:
I would say “I’ve got faith of the heart”
I’ve taken to the term 3rd-wave Trek for the 2010s-present shows to identify the stylistic differences in production compared to shows made in the 80s-90s or 60s.
Each era is molded by the media conventions of it’s time. And there I go reinventing Marshal McLuhan again: “the medium is the message”
Where do you put ENT? I say it feels very different from the not much earlier VOY but not as a wave in its own right. And while we’re at it: TAS
Echoes, like when a wave hits something else and creates some dissonance.
I don’t really like any Trek past DS9 Don’t hate me
This is the good take. Star Trek peaked at DS9 and there’s yet to be a good reason to continue past it.
Biggest red flag in the entire thread. You win.
Ah yes, “my opinion is infallible and I’m righteous for screaming it from the rooftops, but your opposing opinion is ignorant and worthy of dismissal!”
Red flag indeed, friend.
This is so good I literally can’t tell if you’re doing copypasta or not
VOY and ENT are good
Never liked VOY, writing is poor… Not interesting sci-fi like TNG, not a captivating story like DS9…
The Doctor is essentially the only good part. Maybe Seven of Nine, Jery Ryan is a great actress, despite the embarrassing clothing.SNW is good, DIS is whack. PIC essentially crapped all over the past series’ development, killed Hugh, Ro, Icheb, made the Federation grimdark… Monk Worf was cool tho.
Voyager’s writing is inconsistent. There’s some fantastic episodes… and then there’s salamanders.
Which we abandon and never talk about again. Not even a card on their birthday.
True, but the feeling is that in general Voyager was hard to watch.
I rewatched TNG and DS9 several times from start to finish and almost skipped no episodes (though in later rewatches of DS9 I’m skipping the alternate universe ones since I can’t bear them). I tried rewatching VOY and I just can’t. Sure I can rewatch some of the awesome episodes from the show, but I can’t watch it from start to finish since I find most episodes to be cringey (even if I like most of the actors and their characters, but something doesn’t work when watching entire episodes).
Unrelated: I watched DIS until it was on Netflix (and deemed it an action TV series that’s got nothing to do with Star Trek) and watched only a few episodes of PIC until it turned into the “fellowship of the ring” with the introduction of a sword wielding elf. Should I squeeze my nose and dive into it again and try to finish it?
I’ll watch SNW as soon as I can. Still haven’t gotten around it
TNG I would skip most of Season 1 and probably a decent chunk of Season 2 on a rewatch.
VOY episodes just leave you with nothing. Sure, stuff happened, but… you feel like it doesn’t matter. It’s sad because they had the chance to really make something cool, 5-year-exploration missions pale in comparison to travelling back from the other side of the galaxy.
You can watch the last season of PIC, it’s essentially a noir-action show in a scifi setting, but… WATCH SNW NOW!
Discovery started off as an action show, then suddenly added 10 minute long unrelated montages in the middle of action scenes. That killed it for me.
I’m watching Voyager with my kids. Janeway is pretty bad ass given her position as the sole federation representative in the delta sector. We are however using a watchlist and skipping the filler episodes rather than going for the completionist approach.
Janeway has Q powers, she gets into all kinds of shit she has no chance of getting out, and she just… does, somehow. It’s really bad writing… Plus Voyager is ALWAYS getting disabled! WTF, you guys should stay away from encounters, that ship is made of glass… even tho they, again, succeed somehow in the end.
That’s a very correct point of view. Janeway IS cool and the show had such potential, but there are so many wasted opportunities…
As long as you don’t take every available opportunity to steer every single online conversation towards how you don’t like a tv show then we’re cool
“You are allowed to have your opinion so long as you don’t share it”
Who said you can’t share it? It’s not illegal to be annoying 🤷♂️
But they did share it and were cool about it. It’s people who say stuff like “this is shit and people who like it are shit” that need to cool their jets.
Why is so much of memes nowadays just people claiming to be better then everyone else? I had assumed the trek fans were less of snobs than this. Not only does this insult fellow trek fans but metal fans in the process. If this community is the only thing holding lemmy togther, i guess i don’t need to be on the internet anymore.
this meme is making fun of snobs?
“Nowadays” ? Boy let me tell you of the proto-memes in the days of the early internet.
Tl;dr: Everybody be snarky since forever.
