538's polling column about Project 2025, vaccines, the child tax credit and which party is more "weird."
  • dactylotheca@suppo.fiEnglish
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    3 months ago

    the former president’s campaign has disavowed the project and recently went so far as to say its “demise would be greatly welcomed,” while Trump urged his supporters to boo it at a campaign rally.

    You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t believe for a fucking second that this is anything but optics. It’s not like conservatives have to explicitly say they’re following the playbook, but they obviously already are – many Republican lawmakers are members of the conservative organizations that wrote the fucking thing (see eg. this bit of news from TN)

    • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Yeah for anyone really paying attention Project 2025 wasn’t the smoke, or even the fire. It’s just a picture of the fire that’s been burning since Barry Goldwater irrevocably shifted what the Republican party was and should be.That event shifted everything to the right because Democrats are still operating under the assumption that the two parties are left and right, and that the general populace sort of exists between the two. We see all those graphs about how only 40% of eligible American voters vote, and I think a lot of people read those charts wrong. Those aren’t voters who don’t give a shit, those are voters living in places where their jurisdiction is so skewed they don’t feel the need to vote, and people who look at the whole political system and see a massive shell game where everyone’s fighting to wield power, but no one’s really challenging if it’s good to live in such a top down administrative landscape where corporations are allowed to do whatever without accountability, and they don’t see much of anyone trying to do anything about that. Think about if you’re a DC or Hawaiian voter with deeply held social convictions and who’s running for office is a neo-fascist and a neo-liberal. How motivated are you to get to the polls when you know all your neighbors see the same thing you’re seeing. Your whole community is going to half heartedly show up for the neo-liberal, so you stay home, and then your jurisdiction goes 70% for the candidate you wanted. Sure, the margin could have been bigger if you showed up, but you’re broke and poor, and working those hours that day got you enough that you can celebrate with your kids tonight that the neo-fascist didn’t win. It’s been months since you had pizza. It would really make them happy watch the results roll in while you have a special treat.

      We need this election to be a total shit show for the republicans. Like totally painting the canvas with them kinds of beat down. And then, come January, when the Democrats take office, we need to show up in the streets and show them we don’t like them either. Our politicians are so beholden to financiers and so isolated from our needs that I don’t even think they realize we don’t like any of them. Think about this. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, according to her positions, and according to polls of Americans, is completely aligned with American interests. She wants to do what we ALL want to do. And how many people see her as an evil virus from Satan because that’s what Fox told them she was. How many people see her as a naive idealist who doesn’t understand the full picture because that’s what NBC and CBS told them she is. She’s painted as a radical leftist when really… She’s a centrist. She’s the exact middle of America.

      That’s the fucked up political reality we live in.

      • someguy3@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        everything to the right because Democrats are still operating under the assumption that the two parties are left and right

        The Dems have had all 3 of the presidency, the house of representatives, and the Senate for 4 of the last 24 years. Or 6 of the last 32 years. They are forced to go to the center to find voters. They have been on an epic losing streak because the left never shows up to vote.

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I’m saying that the center isn’t where the voters are hiding. They’ve gotten dragged into the Republican vortex, and it’s working in the republicans favor. I do get what you’re saying though. The left in this current state of being does need to vote blue no matter who, but I think the dems are leaving votes out on the table by trying to appeal to a group of people who hasn’t existed for a long time: swing voters who might vote blue, or might vote red, they’re just not sure yet. They need to start asking “How do we get the voters who just… Aren’t”

          • someguy3@lemmy.world
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            3 months ago

            As bizarre as we find it, swing voters do exist. And they are worth double it’s a vote taken away from the other party and a vote for you. That’s who they go for because the left never shows up.

            • ripcord@lemmy.world
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              3 months ago

              You’re both right, but I’d love to see some actual data sshowing who is more right.

              Based on anecdotal evidence I would guess they are much more correct, and the segment you’re talking about exists but is pretty tiny.

  • spyd3r@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I just want the government to leave me and my rights and my property alone… is that too much to ask???

    • skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
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      3 months ago

      It’s crazy that your comment was the purported Republican platform for a long time, and they transmogrified into the fascist trash party that Orwell wrote about, that the Empire was in films, and that the Nazis were in real life. All because a bunch of US-based domestic terrorist fundies are running a theocratic “war” against freedom, democracy, and choice. How Orange DonOld the Weird, the rapist with 34 felonies is their figurehead makes even less sense.

  • Boozilla@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Americans want affordable housing, affordable health care, better gun regulations, a true ceasefire, and many other things that the establishment politicians don’t give AF about.

  • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
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    3 months ago

    At this point the only reason to vote for Trump is if your brains have been replaced with a yogurt or you’re a monster

    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
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      3 months ago

      I can forgive the 2016 Trump voters, Hillary campaigned with Kissinger after all, but America needs to wake up to the realization that a third of the country are actual monsters.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I said this in another thread and I will keep repeating it because I think it’s important: if you know anyone who is a veteran or has a loved one who is a veteran, make sure they know that veteran’s benefits will be severely cut if Project 2025 is implemented.

    • AquaTofana@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      As someone currently serving, it fucking boggles my mind that anyone who has ever served could be in favor of the Republican party. Even without Project 2025 threatening veteran benefits.

      So many of us have been to actual locations where the Church has a stranglehold on the government/is the government. My husband has stories from Afghanistan. I went to Qatar, which, is a “progressive” middle eastern country. I could wear tshirts and knee length shorts, but I was also not allowed to ride in an elevator with the opposite sex, and I was heavily questioned when I tried to buy cigarettes until a male coworker intervened and assured that I could. Not to mention the FUCKING INSANE wealth disparity. Palaces gilded in gold for the government/rich/churches and literal shacks made out of whatever material could be cobbled together in the rural areas outside of Doha.

      Why the fuck would anyone who has seen that first hand want to support anything that could even remotely resemble a world like that?

      • Revan343@lemmy.ca
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        3 months ago

        Why the fuck would anyone who has seen that first hand want to support anything that could even remotely resemble a world like that?

        Because they think they’ll be the ones in the gold palaces, and they don’t give a fuck about anybody else

      • Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Then they’ll get out and pay attention to how much the GOP hates funding the VA and veteran programs in general.

        Republicans as a part are generally “Support the troops but fuck the veterans!” just like always. It blows my mind that there are veterans that are also working class that are MAGA because they are getting fucked over twice as much from the very party that they support.

  • Optional@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I have to wonder what their point is. trump supporters pretend to not like it and it is the literal roadmap for what they’re 100% going to vote for. Most probably don’t care.

    And saying Democrats don’t like it is like saying there’ll be a Tuesday next week.

  • rusticus@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    From the v1 Project 2025 website:

    • End no fault divorce
    • Complete ban on abortions without exceptions
    • Ban contraceptives
    • Ban IVF
    • Additional tax breaks for corporations and the 1%
    • Higher taxes for the working class
    • Elimination of unions and worker protections
    • Raise the retirement age
    • Cut Social Security
    • Cut Medicare
    • End the Affordable Care Act
    • Raise prescription drug prices
    • Eliminate the Department of Education
    • Use public, taxpayer money for private religious schools
    • Teach Christian religious beliefs in public schools
    • End free and discounted school lunch programs
    • End civil rights & DEI protections in government
    • Ban African American and gender studies in all levels of education
    • Ban books and curriculum about slavery
    • End climate protections
    • Increase Arctic drilling
    • Deregulate big business and the oil industry
    • Promote and expedite capital punishment
    • End marriage equality
    • Condemn single mothers while promoting only “traditional families”
    • Defund the FBI and Homeland Security
    • Use the military to break up domestic protests
    • Mass deportation of immigrants and incarceration in “camps”
    • End birth right citizenship
    • Ban Muslims from entering the country
    • Eliminate federal agencies like the FDA, EPA, NOAA and more
    • Continue to pack the Supreme Court, and lower courts with right-wing judges
    • Denying most veterans VA coverage
    • Privatizing Tricare
    • Classifying transpeople as “pornographic”
    • Banning gender-affirming care
    • Ban all porn
    • yamanii@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      As most have noted, the right has no objective, they are just against whatever the left is for.

    • jettrscga@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      It blows my mind that anyone can be that wrong on all topics.

      It’s like the difference between choosing random answers on a multiple choice test versus knowing the right answers and actively avoiding them to get the worst result. It feels like they’re trying to punish the US for something.

      • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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        3 months ago

        Right? Like I’ve thought about how political decisions would be harder if the Republicans weren’t reliably wrong on everything.

        Like, if they were pro-gay-rights but anti-environment, that would be more of a thinker. But they’re just wrong on everything.

      • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
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        3 months ago

        What’s your question? Have you never seen conservatives scapegoat a minority group before?

        • skyspydude1@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          I think it’s mostly the association/“logic” being literally incomprehensible to someone with even the slightest capacity for reason. Classifying an entire group of people as “pornographic” is just so insanely nonsensical, it’s difficult to look at and think of it as anything other than some insane word salad.

          • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Yep. They want to make it illegal for trans people to exist and don’t seem to understand why that would be a problem.

          • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
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            3 months ago

            It means they will be persecuted in various creative ways. More than they are already, I mean. Could be anything from forbidding them from certain places and occupations to rounding them up and putting them in death camps. They’re intentionally vague about how far they plan to go.

        • M137@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          It does make sense though, we’ve seen anti-trans, gay, abortion etc. conservatives be found out to take part in that very thing they’re publicly against so many times, and it’ll keep happening. Them wanting to classify trans as pornographic means they see it as that and they like it and hate themselves and transpeople for it.

    • kn0wmad1c@programming.devEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I always laugh when they say “ban contraceptives” because I guarantee that the men in congress voting for it have vasectomies. Are they going to reverse them?

      • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
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        3 months ago

        No, those with the means will still continue to get them, whether that’s knowing a doctor who will perform it illegally, or by traveling somewhere it’s legal. Same as abortion.

    • send_me_your_ink@lemmynsfw.com
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      3 months ago

      You know what I’m always surprised is missing everytime I see this list? Repealing the 14th amendment. They are so wrong on all of it but somehow they don’t go for that one.

    • frunch@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      You’re telling me all that is unpopular??! The “Don’t Tread on Me” folks are falling over themselves to have this?

      Sounds really non-tready, lol

      • teamevil@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        This list just reads as “the billionaire list of punishments for the poor that think they’re people” I say we craft the inverse list where literally everything the billionaires enjoy is legislated away, kind of like they want to legislate away our way of life we should legislate away their way of life or I guess legislative way their ability to have billions of dollars.

    • aquinteros@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      ban IVF? why would they ban a safe and correct use of technology to help couples conceive what the actual fuck, I don’t think there is a single nation on earth that does this, can you get IVF in the middle east? this is just mind-blowingly neardenthal

      • knight@lemmy.zip
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        3 months ago

        Generally IVF involves fertilizing many eggs and then picking the best performing. Technically this is abortion.

        • Revan343@lemmy.ca
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          3 months ago

          Technically this is abortion.

          Well no, technically it isn’t. But fundies think it is

    • Skvlp@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      Do the GOP leadership think this is improvement? Do they push this precisely because it’s terrible - for some reason. I don’t understand the madness.

      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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        3 months ago

        You have the Christofacist nutjobs who want this, the power hungry fucks who want to control others, and the cowards lacking any ethics that don’t want to offend the Christofacist nutjobs.

        • Skvlp@lemm.ee
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          3 months ago

          The christofacists wants to punish people who are not like them? That’s not in accordance with the teachings of Jesus, is it? I find mild amusement in the fact that according to the beliefs of these people, they themselves are probably going to hell…

          • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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            3 months ago

            That’s true of every fascist regime using religion as an excuse. The Taliban isn’t following the teachings of Islam either, just the parts that give them control.

          • Revan343@lemmy.ca
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            3 months ago

            Do you know much about the bible? The Republicans are basically the Pharisees from Jesus’ time.

            Revelation also predicted that there’d be evil shitheads who claim to be Christian but actually follow the Anti-Christ, but that was an easy prediction, there’s always evil shitheads who claim to be good, in any time and religion

            • tburkhol@lemmy.world
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              3 months ago

              The one time Jesus went HAM, chasing religious leaders around their temple with a whip, and whose temple was it? Zeus? Bacchus? Any of those graven-image, many-gods cults? No - he went after his own Father’s priests for being money-grubbing hypocrites.

              I’m guessing that story doesn’t come up often at CPAC or prayer breakfasts.

            • Skvlp@lemm.ee
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              3 months ago

              Not familiar enough to know details like that. Is “Pharisees as obsessed with man-made rules (especially concerning purity) whereas Jesus is more concerned with God’s love; the Pharisees scorn sinners whereas Jesus seeks them out” an ok eli5 and tl;dr summary?

              Yeah, I guess man kind is good at evil and shithead, unfortunately.

              • Revan343@lemmy.ca
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                3 months ago

                A key thing with the Pharisees was that they were obsessed with the appearance of being pious, rather than actually being so. Much like many modern Christians who are obsessed with appearing faithful and just, but aren’t so concerned with actually following Jesus’ teachings

      • AbidanYre@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I’m ok with telling Homeland Security to fuck off. Everything else is at best terrible and at worst blatantly unconstitutional.

    • LouNeko@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      As an outsider I’m fine with all of this for the US, as long as the US is completely demilitarized and gets rid of every last one if their nukes. Can’t have hyper-religious christian Nazis start nuclear crusades in the name of the only God that matters to them - The Dollar.

  • RunningInRVA@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Unfavorable views of the project rose the most among Democrats, for whom the plan’s net favorability dropped by a whopping 36 percentage points, but it also became less popular among the smaller share of Republicans who had heard of the project: Net favorability for Project 2025 dropped 9 points among those who identified as MAGA supporters and 17 points among other Republicans.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall when these Republicans finally come to realize who and what they have been supporting all of this time.