• sheogorath@lemmy.world
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      At what cost, though? I thought the generations after the millennials would be more tech-literate. But after seeing Gen Zs around me at home and at work, things are just regressing.

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        It was inevitable. We took a mishmash of things that kinda worked together with a patchwork of software and shoved it into a streamlined define with a custom made interface to tie it all together. One of those things pushes the user to learn more, and it’s not the finished and polished product.

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        Can’t really blame them either, it was our generation that dropped the ball in making sure they were more tech literate than us. Not that I have kids but still.

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          The modern electronic devices are far more railroaded than it was back in the day tho.

          Want to download an application? There’s the App Store. No need to download random .exes from sketchy websites (and learn what a “computer virus” is the hard way)

          Downloaded a picture? It’s instantly inside your gallery. Back then we needed to find a folder called “Download” or “My Documents” using something called the Explorer!

          iPhone and Android made a lot of things dumber and easier to take in, but I feel like it had a detrimental effect on digital literacy.

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            A little. Hands on parenting is what they need. I made sure my baby brother is tech literate when my mom is 100 percent not. He just graduated highschool this year. Sure some of the blame is on tech but kids don’t know how to shit in a toilet either and parents make damn sure they learn as quickly as possible.

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          Nah, our generation had to tinker with shit to get it working. Kids these days have it easy, which is good from a user perspective, but fails to train them how any of it actually works at a deeper level.

          No one has to install a device driver anymore.

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      As someone who’s used and uses both for work and isn’t a fanboy of either, sorry but apple does not have an easy to learn interface. It seems like every single choice they made was done to just be different from the alternative, more often than not to the detriment of the user. If they lock people in to how their ecosystem works low tech people can’t easily change.

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        If they lock people in to how their ecosystem works low tech people can’t easily change.

        Other people can just mimic the iPhone interface. That’s basically what Android did.

        The real difficulty of switching to another device from Apple is the multi-year contract that the phone companies try to get you on.

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          Back in 2012 apple won a UI patent and we know how those megacorps do. No idea to what extent but that sorta stops any big contenders on copying them. The multi year contracts are a meme from the past but it’s the same sort of people who aren’t techliterate enough to learn a new UI, that keep with the contracts.

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              They sorta are, plenty of options for cheap quality untilited phone plans out there even with international included and very few people actually need a state of the art 1k phone to make payments on.

              Don’t get me wrong, I’m not policing how people should spend their money. All I’m saying is that plans are from the past and don’t need to exist, like faxes.

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    Hmm … Better pigeon hole clients into only using the teabag.

    “Why can’t I put the label in the water?!”

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    I write graphics software that almost seems intuitive, until you realize I gave it a split personality.

    Even I forget about the split personality side of it.

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    if ( parameters.teaMass <= TEA_BAG_WEIGHT ) { 
        return "Error: incorrect input. Check if tea bag was inserted correctly into water container."
     }
    
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    Smart developer: let’s make the label an 8 inch square so it won’t fit in any mug.

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      Just get rid of the label altogether. I’m always suspicious when a teabag has a string on it.

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      Huge waste of material on the label.

      Since the labels are larger, the boxes for those tea bags will need to be larger too. That incurs in additional waste of material and storage space.

      People working in markets selling those tea bags will complain. Now their boxes don’t fit in the aisle alongside boxes with tea bags of other brands.

      Customers will find it clunky and convoluted. Some will understand why the dev did it, and get angry - because from their PoV it’ll sound like the dev is saying “I assume that you’re a muppet, unable to distinguish the label from the bag”.

      And some will still do like others said: use a larger pot, fold the label, etc. Defeating the purpose of the change.

      There are plenty situations where you can be smart. This is not one of them, stick to standards and document it properly. “This is the bag, it goes in. This is the label, it goes out.”

      (Not that it changes much for me. I’m still ripping the tea bag apart and mixing the contents with my yerba mate. Unexpected use case!)

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    You’re calling this person stupid, but they’re 90% of the way to getting it right.

    If only every technical problem was this easy to solve.

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    A proper engineer would make the tag absorbent and use the principle of capillarity to transfer the water to the bag (and the other way round once tea flavoured) to cover this case.

    Users can’t avoid being stupid, but a proper engineer should be able to cover all cases.

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      No, that complicates things way too much. Simplicity in design is beauty. A real engineer would recognize the tag on the string not only as a point a confusion, but also a superfluous feature. Simply remove it. The end user will have to use a spoon supplied by themselves to remove the teabag, but thats their problem. At least there is actually tea in the cup at that point.

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        And also the existence of a perfectly insulative, yet durable and long-lasting sheath for the bag. I realise it’s just an analogy, and in cyberspace that sort of thing is trivial, with real matter it’s beyond a pipe dream.

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      So you’re saying it should wick the water from the cup to the table like an oil lantern. That seems like a good way to have half of your cup on the table.😂

      If you get it to travel up the string, gravity will definitely do the rest. It seems like such a passive aggressive way to design a product and I’m all for it.

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      Or the pg tips approach: ‘d’ya know what? No more tag or thread for ya now you’ve got to fish and pinch the baggy out of your scolding tea ya wanker’.

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      Using better by itself is fine in an informal context, and “had better” is only required for formal contexts. And I don’t think a meme on the internet counts as a formal context.

      And also, 🤓☝️

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        That’d be a contraction of ‘would’ in this case. As an ESL speaker I used to find these grammar ‘mistakes’ (for lack of a better word) made more difficult for me to parse the sentences. As with code ‘written once but read many times’ would apply here.

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          For a lot of English speakers, the “had” and “have” in contractions is completely omitted in certain contexts. It’s more prevalent in some dialects (I’m in the south US and it’s more common than not). Usually “had” is dropped more than “have”.

          Also, English can drop the pronoun, article, and even copula for certain indicative statements. I think it’s specifically for observations, especially when the context is clear.

          looking at someone’s bracelet “Cool bracelet.” [That’s a]

          wakes upsigh Gotta get up and go to work…” [I’ve]

          “Ain’t no day for picking tomatoes like a Saturday.” [There]

          “No war but class war!” [There’s]

          “Forecast came in on the radio. Says there’s gonna be a hell of a lot of rain today.” [It said -> Says/Said]

          “Can’t count the number of Brits I’ve killed. Guess I’m just allergic to beans on toast.” [I; I]

          “House came tumblin’ down after the sinkhole opened up” [The]

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          for lack of a better word

          Usages of non-standard grammar.

          This one poses me (ETL) no problem, but my brain always tilts when the natives mix subject/verb contractions (you’re, it’s, they’re) with the possessives (your, its, their).

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            Yeah maybe not even non-standard as much as non-formal in this case.

            I wanted to mean ‘different from what you learn in English class in school as a kid’ so non-formal, non -standard, dialectal, slang, misspellings, same-sounding words…

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              That’s all covered by “non-standard” - because the standard of a language dictates what’s to be taken as informal/vulgar/archaic, dialectal, slang, different words or the same word, etc. And while there are exceptions most of the time when people learn a non-native language they learn the standard, in detriment of other varieties.

              (Sorry for nerding out about this, I just love this sort of topic.)

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          It would be a contraction of had: “I had better write…” Using would there doesn’t make sense. The function of had in the sentence is just to change the tense. Without had it’s something you should be doing now. With had, it’s something you should probably have already done.

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            More or less my point, languages are weird with lots of arbitrary idiomatic things—‘would rather’ but ‘had better’.

            After posting the comment I’ve thought ‘wait, it makes more sense for it to be should’ so my guesses are a bit off today.

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    I can be an idiot every once and a blue moon. Thank you to anyone who put literally everything a manual just in case someone is braindead and isn’t afraid to rtfm.

    To be honest it’s just after I’ve spent 10 hours on something fairly complicated and new to me. I suddenly can’t think for myself anymore. It literally becomes a chore to do the simplest shit sometimes.

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        I do appreciate it, I know I’m no idiot.

        To be honest, I kinda wish some projects came with API manuals. I understand it’s not a priority in an open source project with limited resources.

        It would be nice to use a python based ml tool without passing commands through it via shell. People do it, I just don’t have the time or experience to analyze a complex project like ML voice synthesis.

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    I design optics and I’ve seen a return request because they “couldn’t see the target” and included photos to show what they meant. The customer installed it backwards and didn’t bother trying the other way.