Tor Browser serves a different purpose/use-case to the first two. The first two are intended for everyday browsing while I’ve never heard of anyone using Tor Browser as their daily browser—and if you log into websites then using Tor Browser as your daily driver would defeat the anonymity purposes if you’re logging in anyway.
I use librewolf for everyday browsing and Tor Browser for things requiring a higher threat model.
It actually feels selfish to use Tor as a daily driver.
I assume that by “selfish” you mean taking up bandwidth from the Tor network, which is a valid concern. But using it as a daily driver for low-bandwidth tasks like reading text (and maybe a few compressed pictures here and there) is actually be beneficial to the Tor network, as it increases the size of the crowd, thereby making everyone more anonymous.
Eh, that’s fair. As long as it is low bandwidth like you said. Maybe I’ll do it some.
Librewolf
That’s what she said
I don’t know what Floorp makes me…
Picture one but in a Japanese/anime style. Wait a second
Based and customizationpilled
Librewolf, but I’d argue it’s more of a Firefox/web debloater reason. No pocket, no VPN ads. I would have said that the only issue is that it is a pain to update, but they added a windows updater and software repos, so I would almost recommend it over stock firefox for normies.
And I use tor to search stuff that contains sensitive data like my location… Or when a website is blocked
This is the argument I keep using for why people should use Linux more. The fact you have to run updater software for each piece of software is so stupid. It’s a horrible solution to a poorly designed problem. On Linux I just tell my package manager to update everything and it takes care of it all. There’s no need for the user to be handling all of that, and it also shouldn’t have to update in starting the application because that’s when the user wants to use it, not wait for an update.
(For reference: it’s the same thing as on your phone where it tells you the number of things that need updated and you just tell it to update whenever you feel like it.)
Windows has had winget for a while now. While not as good as Linux version, I think it’s fine enough for those who must still use Windows for their gaming. 🤔
Just FYI, gaming isn’t a reason to stay anymore really. I’ve only had minor issues since switching.
For general gaming for sure! Retro gaming is even better on Linux! I am one of those that loves modding their games though, and the tools aren’t there just yet. With Nexus beginning beta for Linux support, I am hopeful that I will be able to switch over soon enough. :)
Yeah, that’s true. Modding does suck. KSP has good Linux support for modding, but I think that’s the only one that I haven’t had to do manually. Manual modding is not hard though, but it does take more time.
Multiplayer doesn’t typically work in Proton :(
Yes it does. I’ve been playing Squad, Hunt, and The Finals recently. I’ve also played CS, Overwatch, Tribes 3, and some other multiplayer games too. It almost always works, unless they want you to install a rootkit to play, like Valorant.
There’s like three package managers for Windows and none of them have gained enough traction to really be considered the de facto.
Also, Microsoft stole AppGet from its developer and didn’t pay them anything.
That’s a great point, but Linux Mint hasn’t a repo for Librewolf in a long time, meaning it was only available through Flatpak. It’s not a big issue, but it does break keepassxc, and is a pain considering the drama Debian got over it
Last time I distrohopped, this was actually one of my main benchmarks. If I couldn’t install Librewolf in under a minute, I picked a different distro.
Chocolatey ftw. I was already eyeing it when I jumped to LW so I did the setup for choc and now I have most of my software being managed through it. It’s not perfect but on a schedule, it’s as set-and-forget as it can be for Windows.
I guess with the exception of using the MS Store, but ew.
Was using scoop as I prefer it’s contained aspect. However, now I 'm on Linux, and my work blocked the repo’s so…
VPN ads? Not sure I’ve ever gotten such a thing. Been using Firefox daily for several years
You know that tab that opens sometimes when you update Firefox? The welcome to Firefox or what’s new, whatever it is? If I remember correctly, there are sometimes ads for mozilla vpn on that tab. But you, like me, might just close that tab without ever looking at its contents
Haha yeah… I actually like that there is a confirmation that an update was installed and there’s a list of changes if I want to view them. If that “ad” indeed is there, it’s inoffensive enough I never once noticed it. I loathe ads. Not one of those people who tolerates them
And as a more advanced user, I need nightly (for custom compiled addons), and just configured everything relevant to be as close to LibreWolf as possible/good for privacy.
Fair enough. But can’t be assed to switch every little thing, and keep track of the new ones (like the ad tracker in 128)
it is a pain to update, but they added a windows updater
the linux package manager in question
it’s not in the arch repos 💀
It’s in the AUR
everything is in the aur
but it’s available as flatpak
slow
flatpak has the same or negligibly worse performance than a regular package.
I mean an updater on the windows (the os). Sadly forced to use windows at work, but at least I got my Librewolf.
UniGet GUI
Firefox. Librewolf’s defaults make it very inconvenient to use as a normal, day to day web browser. You can obviously change all of that but at that point you might as well just use Firefox with a handful of add-ons so that’s what I’m doing.
I just changed my browsing habits. Frankly I’ve also realized having the internet be less convenient has made me more mentally healthy
My issue isn’t that it’s breaking sites. It’s the fingerprint resistance making the basic user experience unpleasant. Refusing to remember window size, forcing light mode, etc. I understand why, but those aren’t sacrifices I’m willing to make.
You can disable those and get CanvasBlocker to still have some degree of protection (not as much, though)
Try Floorp.
It is Firefox based and with additional features. I find it easier to use than the default Librewolf
The only librewolf default I find inconvenient is no persistent cookies. I just disable deleting cookies when I close the browser and the other defaults ive not touched. Other than some Firefox defaults I don’t like the behaviour of, but none of the librewolf-specific defaults.
Edge: *naked with an ad tattooed on the back*
Tattooed on the lower back to be more specific
This lumbar presented by T-Mobile—We got your back!*
I threw up in my mouth a bit….
Librewolf enables fingerprinting preventation which makes some websites / fields very laggy. I can disable it but what’s the point of using Librewolf then? Also using FF is not paranoid, it is the only free software I installed that sticked with my family. Tor has a wholly different purpose.
Also using FF is not paranoid
Yes that’s what the meme is saying.
Firefox with Tor for specific stuff
Librewolf is better than Tor in some ways. Tor has ads
Tor browser has ads? I’ve never seen them lol
Gotta weigh in the benefits of privacy/features vs anonymity for your needs.
Icecat: hoodie, eye patch, mask, a baseball cap, and an umbrella
I have modified Firefox. Might as well be Librewolf.
Until Mozilla opts you into something
I was the same which was why I just switched to librewolf. Cut the work out for me.
What is it when one fires up 30 selenium instances using the Firefox webdriver, all loading random sites and clicking links, then route all personal traffic through tor?
Normal?
Librewolf is just a usable Firefox
Firefox is a completely usable Firefox.
If you dont care about Ad search engines, Studies, Pocket, Google Safebrowsing, search suggestions, a start page with ads, weak privacy settings, all cookies saved forever, no adblocking, a unique canvas fingerprint, a user agent containing your Linux Distro,…
I went through the arkenfox user.js and literally all of it minus 20 or so settings just make sense. The rest are kinda overkill, but really, Firefox is horrible out of the box.
It is really modular luckily
Most of these aren’t issues or are “solved” in a couple of seconds.
I am curious, exactly how would it be remotely possible for me to care that my UA string mentions Ubuntu when that’s not even technically my distro? I cannot summon an ounce of concern there. Seriously, how the hell would that matter in the least to anyone?
It adds one factor for Fingerprinting that is simply not needed
I knew you would say that. I imagine that user agent strings as a concept are bad, in your opinion?
They are useful to differentiate mobile from PC devices. That is not needed as many Websites are dynamic, but useful for some.
As all browsers also support the common web standards, it is also not necessary for determining supported features or something.
The only other use I find is having download links targeting the platform, but especially on Linux that is not really useful
“useful” is relative. I prefer a world where websites can know which platforms users are coming from, as it helps them know where to focus their support efforts.
There are billions of users but probably only a few OSes mentioned in UA strings so it seems like a decent trade off to me. My exact UA string is likely shared by millions of users even though my OS is somewhat rare on the world stage. Until the day comes that web browsers work exactly the same way on every platform, at which case I’d agree with you, no longer useful. Unfortunately for decades we’ve been quite a bit short of that end.
Just checked because I couldn’t remember exactly what OS info mine included last I looked. It’s quite generic:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0
really, Firefox is horrible out of the box.
It is really modular luckily
Taking shit, but even you still have to recognize excellent software design.
Stop harrassing me please. Just because you are fine with something, you cant say anyone else is talking shit.
Firefox is really modular, and that makes it different from the other browers.
I don’t see how a couple of replies could be considered harassment just because I used the phrase “talking shit”. The fact is that you’re fear mongering, and you apparently don’t like it being questioned.
“horrible” being mostly sensible for the average user, as well as basic telemetry for making development much easier. but muhhh nooo with that information they can know who exactly I am!!! preach!!!
A lot of these are privacy invasive. Senseful telemitry is fine, but I dont see how they do that.
Clearly 🐺. Been on it like, 3y+? Maybe longer, it’s been my primary for a long time. 🦊 as a backup, and for DRM stuff. Chrome/Chromium for shit that just doesn’t play well with 🦎. Edge (for windows) is my ‘I need to test this with a vanilla browser’ and cba to disable ublock etc from chrome incognito.
Iceraven, with backup Vanadium, on mobile.
DRM isn’t for people who care about privacy, freedom or security
For mobile, I’d recommend Mull instead of Iceraven
Pros:
- Just like Iceraven, a fork of Fenix
- incorporates the arkenfox user.js
- Doesn’t have “No warranties or guarantees of security or updates or even stability!” in its project description
Cons:
- APKs are only on FDroid
- awful name, no animal reference
- awful logo color scheme imo - magenta on turquoise is… an interesting choice
Here’s a probably somewhat biased but from quickly skimming over it not inaccurate browser comparison by the developer(s) of Mull:
https://divestos.org/pages/browsers
Also based GrapheneOS user
I’ve tried Mull and went back, but I can’t remember why. Iceraven is ‘fine’ but seems a touch buggy for some builds. I used to use Fennec for a long time, but I think IR allows installing ‘unofficial’ add-ons that haven’t been vetted or whatever by Mozilla for mobile. But I’ll have a look see, maybe my issue with Mull has been resolved.
NetCat. /s
Seriously though, I just use Firefox. LibreWolf is basically Firefox with stricter defaults, and over the years I’ve already tweaked Firefox to use all the privacy features anyway.
I know there’s some extra sauce implemented in LibreWolf that Firefox lacks, but that stuff seems like too much of a compromise for me (like canvas fingerprinting).
Plus, I think orange looks nicer in my window list than blue.
I also don’t use tor or a vpn unless I can’t access anything otherwise. I guess I don’t really see the need to, since I don’t think I’m doing anything that’ll draw the government’s attention.
You can turn off canvas fingerprinting or any added feature with a single checkbox. I used to feel the same way about LibreWolf, but once I familiarized myself with the different settings, it became clearly the superior option if you value privacy. I also set my Firefox settings strictly, but then they added new “features” and turned them on by default. That was the last straw for me.
Firefox may silently opt you into “features” such as targeted advertising. Librewolf acts as a barrier.
Also “nothing to hide” is fine if you have nothing to say and you don’t care about liberty.
I started moving from Firefox to LibreWolf and found a few too many convenient features broke.
I think password and bookmark syncing was too difficult to move away from, as I use them across devices/phone.
Haven’t had time to research alternative methods or practices.
you can enable firefox sync from the librewolf settings. that’s what i do and it works flawlessly