Bro, he is calling u a Chinese bot, whataboutism doesn’t apply in the slightest here. If you want to use debate terms, please learn when to apply them.
Could it be that threatning Biden with not voting may somehow force him to use his remaining office time to fight an ongoing genocide, by that winning the public opinion of young voters and being in office for another 4 years?
no, the logical course of action is stopping acceptance of such egregious policies and showing it on the streets. every aristocratic political party has showed us they are not the answer.
If he does that, he loses the vote of the democrats that support Israel.
Biden is in a lose-lose situation with the electorate, and is a stubborn boomer. No amount of letting Trump win and get trans people killed will change Biden’s mind.
I get it, I fucking hate Biden too. But it is going to be a disaster if we allow Trump to get elected, just like it was the first time.
I agree with everything you saif but it is worth noting that those Dems who support Israel are few and may be easily offset by winning votes from other communities that are outraged by everything happening.
Perhaps I was a bit biased in saying that, as there are some neighborhoods in my city that are predominantly democrat, and they have a number of pro-israel signs up.
Don’t forget, Biden also has to get the independent vote. And if Biden takes a strong anti-genocide position, the GOP will bash him for it, and use it as ammunition to call him antisemitic just as they have with the college students.
Smart politics would say GOP bashing Biden is a good thing in this context. Adopting GOP talking points is what gave us our current immigration policy, and that is another liability in his campaign, though much smaller than giving arms to an active genocide.
Re-replying since you deleted your original comment:
I’m not saying he should pander to fascists. I’m saying “here is his motivations, here is what his opponents will do, thus influencing his motivations”.
Biden is a piece of shit, that’s well established. I’m saying that he will never listen to progressives, and efforts to get him to listen aren’t going to result in anything.
“I’ll play with the future of millions to try to manipulate one guy into making an army he isn’t in control of do what I want.
This is the only logical recourse”
oooh you are voting, we are truly saved and our problems are solved! why didnt i think of this!
Because voting isn’t a thing in China
Lmao
has it been working well for you? is that the whatabaoutism i keep hearing about?
Bro, he is calling u a Chinese bot, whataboutism doesn’t apply in the slightest here. If you want to use debate terms, please learn when to apply them.
“it doesnt apply when i’m the one being called out!”
cmon, my dude.
No I’m telling you that that isn’t whataboutism.
Is he calling you out? Yes. Is that whataboutism? No
Whataboutism would be “Russia is committing war crimes in ukraine” “but what about natos expansion???”
His argument is (arguably a very snarky) way of telling you that ur opinion is biased and therefore invalid. Do you notice the difference?
Could it be that threatning Biden with not voting may somehow force him to use his remaining office time to fight an ongoing genocide, by that winning the public opinion of young voters and being in office for another 4 years?
That to me is the a logical course of action.
no, the logical course of action is stopping acceptance of such egregious policies and showing it on the streets. every aristocratic political party has showed us they are not the answer.
If he does that, he loses the vote of the democrats that support Israel.
Biden is in a lose-lose situation with the electorate, and is a stubborn boomer. No amount of letting Trump win and get trans people killed will change Biden’s mind.
I get it, I fucking hate Biden too. But it is going to be a disaster if we allow Trump to get elected, just like it was the first time.
I agree with everything you saif but it is worth noting that those Dems who support Israel are few and may be easily offset by winning votes from other communities that are outraged by everything happening.
Perhaps I was a bit biased in saying that, as there are some neighborhoods in my city that are predominantly democrat, and they have a number of pro-israel signs up.
The majority of Democrats recognize it as a genocide: https://www.commondreams.org/news/democratic-voters-israel-genocide
He is literally staking the least popular position with his voters.
Don’t forget, Biden also has to get the independent vote. And if Biden takes a strong anti-genocide position, the GOP will bash him for it, and use it as ammunition to call him antisemitic just as they have with the college students.
Smart politics would say GOP bashing Biden is a good thing in this context. Adopting GOP talking points is what gave us our current immigration policy, and that is another liability in his campaign, though much smaller than giving arms to an active genocide.
“you don’t understand! biden has to pander to fascists or else he wont get elected to save us!”
Re-replying since you deleted your original comment:
I’m not saying he should pander to fascists. I’m saying “here is his motivations, here is what his opponents will do, thus influencing his motivations”.
Biden is a piece of shit, that’s well established. I’m saying that he will never listen to progressives, and efforts to get him to listen aren’t going to result in anything.
Our efforts are better used on election reform.
i double posted and deleted one of them, my bad
“I’ll play with the future of millions to try to manipulate one guy into making an army he isn’t in control of do what I want. This is the only logical recourse”
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Isn’t the US Israel’s main weapons and freebie supplier?