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    “As a voter, I have no power and my choices don’t reflect on me at all, but these all-powerful candidates who mysteriously no one supports, certainly not a majority of voters, THEY’RE the ones who are to blame for everything! BTW, Trump and Biden are just as bad, don’t @ me with your whining about ‘minorities’ or whatever, no war but class war!”

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      As a voter, I have no power and my [available] choices don’t reflect on me at all

      You’re actually not that far off. A liberal democracy will never provide choices that undermine its own ideological supremacy. Leftists have always known that true progress is borne outside of the electoral system, not from within it. If that weren’t the case then we wouldn’t have such a deep and rich history of violent and non-violent protest.

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        A liberal democracy will never provide choices that undermine its own ideological supremacy.

        Yes, the evil liberal democracy is tainting everyone’s vote, scribbling it in with sharpie. It definitely couldn’t be that most people are attached to the status quo in every system. No, it’s the LIBERAL CONSPIRACY.

        Leftists have always known that true progress is borne outside of the electoral system, not from within it. If that weren’t the case then we wouldn’t have such a deep and rich history of violent and non-violent protest.

        I’m sure who’s elected doesn’t have any effect on the viability of violent or non-violent protests. Both sides, right? :)

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          No, it’s the LIBERAL CONSPIRACY.

          I think you’ve missed the point there, bud. Systems of power don’t require a conspiracy of individuals to maintain it, they organize themselves.

          most people are attached to the status quo in every system

          You’re so close. Systems of power organize around the distribution of material resources. But you’re right - that’s true with most systems.

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            Ah, so we’re back to “Democracy Bad, the proles don’t know what they want”, great. The Party Line will never lead us astray, though!

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              I didn’t say ‘democracy bad’. I said systems of power do not provide the tools for its own subversion.

              If a system of power grows from the influence of private wealth over a democratic institution, that institution isn’t going to spontaneously provide an option to rid itself of that influence. A democratic institution will always need extrademocratic force in order to keep corrupting influences out.

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                A democratic institution will always need extrademocratic force in order to keep corrupting influences out.

                I’m just gonna sit here for a bit. Maybe take up alcoholism.

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                    “Touch some grass, then you’ll realize that democracy is great only so long as there’s an extrademocratic means to make sure the people vote the right way!”

                    Right, what grass should I be touching? The grass on Mussolini’s grave?

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                    “How can anyone disagree with me!? They must just not ‘get it’, unlike those of us who are enlightened enough to simp for genocide.”