I see all over Lemmy, people really seem to hate hexbear, and I don’t get it. Can someone explain why most of Lemmy seems to absolutely hate them?
I see all over Lemmy, people really seem to hate hexbear, and I don’t get it. Can someone explain why most of Lemmy seems to absolutely hate them?
Hexbear began as refugees from r/chapotraphouse, a leftist subreddit that was purged from Reddit by the admins 4 years ago, well before the API drama of last year.
The subreddit was banned due to supporting violence against “”“people”“” known as slave owners. Posts saying kill slave owners, John Brown did nothing wrong, etc, was the catalyst.
Hexbear was then an un-federated Lemmy instance until last year. Basically, due to not being federated with others and being born from crude dirtbag leftists, culture on Hexbear has splintered from Reddit and Lemmy at large. Mainly, being civil was not a requirement so personal insults and ad hominem is seen as not only perfectly fine, but preferred. Also uniquely being a leftist space that hasn’t had a large, community ending schism between the anarchists and Leninists has been a factor.
When Hexbear did become federated, Reddit refugees people didn’t like our hardline LGBT inclusive anti NATO Anarcho-Stalinist takes, and used Reddit terms such as “brigading” to describe our behaviour, which is more or less a misunderstanding, we have posts sorted by “Active” by default so what you see first is what someone replied to most recently, and we don’t have down votes so if you disagree with someone you reply to them to voice your disagreement instead of down voting and moving on like a coward.
So oftentimes when a newly federated instance user posts something like “Vote blue no matter who!”, it will show up to us, we can’t downvote, we reply with something along the lines of “You’re a dipshit”, that increases engagement, other people see it, also reply with serious and unserious answers alike.
Oftentimes, Reddit refugee liberals see our scathing hatred of Democrats as pro-Trump because their brains are programmed to only see the existence of 2 parties, despite one of our biggest threads before federation being hundreds of posters hoping Trump dies when he first caught COVID. Or being against the expansion of NATO as being pro Putin. Or support for Palestine as antisemitism. Etc.
So basically, a combination of “crude” language, “brigading” and being “MAGA/Putin/CCP/Iran/shills/bots” makes Hexbear a prime target for hating on.
You do realize replying something like “You’re a dipshit” literally adds nothing to the discussion right? Downvoting a dumb comment instead of replying does not make you a coward, it just reduces the amount of pointless comments in a thread.
Maybe if you took the time to actually engage with them instead of insulting them and moving on you’d be able to change their mind.
Whether OP realizes it or not, it won’t matter. Their reply is to provide as explanation - which I think answer the question well - and not to justify what they did are acceptable or not.
Hexbear doesn’t have downvotes lol
Liberals and other right-wingers not interacting in good faith do deserve to be called “dipshits” or whatever, and that instance doesn’t allow using bigoted words.
Someone who knows little about politics commenting “Vote blue no matter who!” is not interacting in bad faith, and does not deserve to be called a dipshit.
Someone who knows little about politics should probably be asking questions rather than saying shit like “vote blue no matter who” when they’re committing a genocide
Hexbear is a strictly leftist instance; I think it’s reasonable for them expect someone saying shit like that to at least think they’re politically literate.
The original comment gave the example of calling a federated user a dipshit for saying something like that.
Also, while I agree that someone who knows little should ask questions, it is very common for them to assume they know enough.
Yes, that isn’t justifiable in your society. Surely you’ll be safe and pampered in your society. But, yours
you’reare not the only one. There are a lot of other societies that are different than yours. How will you be able to interact or even fight them (as foes) if you don’t understand them. Thats why you need to understand them so that you’ll be well equipped and can plot your strategies for future interactions. To understand them is not equal to agreeing with them.Anyway, life will be much more exciting when we are open to new encounters. Just like when we are able to speak many languages, imagine that.
Here’s your engagement: you’re a dipshit dsemy. Change my mind
Sounds like a cowardly dipshit who was forced into actually replying to prove how they are definitely not a coward
lmao
Liberals minimizing fascism while saying we’re the real fascists for telling them they’re wrong, picture #69420
‘Stochastic brigading’, better known as ‘replies I don’t like’.
Damn, I wonder what responses I’ve missed out over time by simply not being able to see them.
All our ankle-biters are smarmy little shits that have been banned for a plethora of reasons usually revolving around either being bigots or reactionary little monsters that revel in genocide while crying crocodile tears about communist “genocides”
For this one it’s the latter as they’re another case of “left in form, right in essence”
Saying that behaviour isn’t “brigading” is the same type of logic neonazi influencers use when they say they can’t be blamed for one of their fans committing an act of terrorism.
Stochastic brigading might not be the same in degree as stochastic terrorism, but it’s the same in kind.
You’ve got an environment specifically set up, by the means you describe, to promote harassment. That’s brigading and trollish behaviour.
When you side against Ukraine, you are being pro-Putin. Supporting Putin makes no sense on any level, because it’s his warmongering actions that are causing the expansion of NATO. Finland and Sweden had no interest in joining except as protection against the threat posed by Putin’s aggression. Ukraine’s populace was pretty firmly against NATO membership until Putin first invaded Ukrainian territory in 2014, at which point support became quite mixed, leaning slightly in favour. And Russia’s most recent invasion of Ukraine has caused opposition to NATO membership to drop off a cliff. If you’re anti-NATO, you should be unequivocally against Putin’s actions. Instead we regularly see your users support it. (And that’s without going into the complete silence on Russia’s domestic politics, considering your claimed “hardline LGBT inclusive” stance.)
TIL Brigading is when you see posts on your front page and comment on them.
When you deliberately set up your front page in a way designed to encourage that? When you promote a culture of harassment rather than genuine engagement? Yup. You do yourself no favours by this sort of weak dismissal. It’s the same logic a nazi would use to try and shift blame away from themselves for their fans being terrorists.