If you want to be vegan, more power to you. But please talk to your doctor first (and optionally do a bunch of reading from non-specifically-vegan sources about how the food is grown). The nutrition-feasibility, health benefits, and current, real-world environmental impact are frequently and loudly lied about by vegans.

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    Christianity in the US actively contributes to almost every major problem facing our country whereas veganism improves the environment, reduces the suffering of some life and annoys some people. Sure, like any group of people vegans can be liable to groupthink and sometimes wrong about things. But you’re ignoring a whole bunch of reality if you think both vegans and evangelicals are equally harmful.

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      Doing the same patronizing bullshit doesn’t become ok because you think you have better reasons.

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        My point is that being annoying isn’t the same as being annoying and actively harmful.

        If your main complaint about vegans is that they’re patronizing, that still doesn’t put them in the same category as say, the catholic church or the evangelical movement which have protected rapists, encouraged violence and spread hate.

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          No but doing it because you think it actually helps anything means that you’re at best far more naive than all those organizations.

          They send the young folks out on mission trips because they know damn well it will lead to them being treated with little patience and eventually lead to them being jaded into turning inwards towards the in group.

          American vegans are either doing it because they’re morons or because they are equally aware and just as complicit trying to foster an in group out group dynamic, something that becomes much clearer when they insist on calling even vegetarians carnists for not being vegans too.

          Not to mention the cult of “no trust us bro we can totally do ethical consumption under capitalism! Meatless Mondays definitely aren’t basically just the recycling effect for millennials and Zoomers!”

          And again, the point is that we’re talking about the patronizing bullshit that they are objectively doing right now, “but the Catholics do rape!” isn’t a part of the discussion when we’re talking about being a patronizing twat who treats everyone not of the faith as their next mission.

          We are talking about the bad thing that we both agree that they are doing it seems, so please, stay on topic.

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            American vegans are either doing it because they’re morons or…

            Or they don’t want to hurt animals unnecessarily or be complicit in the environmental devastation of meat production.

            they insist on calling even vegetarians carnists for not being vegans too.

            I’m a vegetarian and I’ve never heard vegans say that. The craziest online voices are not an accurate representation of a group.

            ethical consumption under capitalism! Meatless Mondays

            Wait vegans hate vegetarians AND love people who eat meat 6 days a week? You’re accusing them of being fanatically doctrinal and too accepting. When you accuse a group of mutually exclusive traits, you’re thinking of a stereotype and not reality.

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              I’ve been vegetarian for 20+ years and have recieved nothing but love and support from vegans. Even one person I knew that was so committed she changed her last name to Govegan. I did recieved some chastisement from a plant based person for not knowing the difference between plant based and vegan, but they were also very anti-vegan.