Are you feeling superior over not filing your taxing?
The most likely scenario here is that if were you to file, you’d receive a refund. The IRS will happily keep your money.
However, if you have mucked with your deductions such that you are underpaying, you’re playing a dangerous game.
As they say, fuck around and find out. In this case the fuck around part will especially unpleasant.
Hope you maintain cash only lifestyle because they will empty your bank accounts. They will garnish your wages. They will get a their money with penalties and interest.
Not superior, like i said Im just waiting on the bill. I’m also not doing any “cheating” I’m just not filing at all. Cheating would imply that i know for a fact I’m doing somthing wrong when the reality is, Im just bad with my finances and I have no idea is i made over $500 last year, and apparently neither does the IRS… I mean presumably i do since I pay rent, have a car, buy groceries, etc… but gosh darn it I just can’t keep track.
I’ve been self employed since i was 15 so its much more likely i’d “owe” money, i’ve used various state/gov website tools to check if i’m owed taxes or other payments and for the single non-self employed job i worked for 6 months the only thing i was owed is a last paycheck i never bothered to file the paperwork to claim, they can have that $120 or whatever it was.
I’m not underpaying anything, in order to under pay something there has to be a bill to start with, i’ve not gotten any kind of bill saying what i owe so how could i possibly underpay it?
I don’t “deduct” anything, I literally just do not file. Simple as that. If its such a big deal, why have I never once had so much as a notice or a phone call to remind me i owe anything?
My point is, its not my job, I dont work for the IRS or turbotax, so why should i have to tell them how much i should owe on the money I made with my own business… if the IRS would catch up to the rest of the civilized world and actually to THEIR JOB, i’d be fine with paying, but if they want me to do the work, well okay boss, I did and i came to the conclusion i dont owe shit, guess you’ll just have to take my word for it.
And no you don’t need to live a “cash only” lifestyle for this to work, because believe it or not, Venmo and Cashapp and all those others, they also don’t give a shit, sure they’ll do the bare minimum and report transactions, they’ll ban you if you get super obvious with laundering/structuring , but without context the IRS has no idea if they’re taxable events or not, and believe it or not, they can’t (or choose not to) “garnish” things like cashapp/venmo/onlyfans/crypto/patreon/etc or just take money out of them because they aren’t real bank accounts.
people act like the IRS is this crazy all powerful agency, but really they’re so underfunded they literally cannot afford to go after people who legitimately do cheat, sure they get one or 2 now and then to make examples out of, but thats out of hundreds of millions of people. Just look at the NY fraud case happening against trump now and how totaly obvious all that fraud was, but to Trump, and to all his chronies, that was totally legitimate business as usual, and its 100% true, go try to find a place to rent in NY that isn’t lying out their asses about things like square footage, or find A company that doesn’t constantly inflate assets values of their “brand” when applying for loans then deflate them when filing taxes.
Its all a huge clusterfuck of a system and I simply choose not to participate.
Playing stupid stops working when you hit 18. The IRS doesn’t give a fuck if you can’t keep track of it. They will assume it’s all a taxable event if you cannot prove otherwise.
Those apps are reporting anything over a certain minimum. When the IRS decides you’re worth going after, they will audit you, they will go back as many years as allowed by law, you will be fucked.
What you’re doing is tax evasion. There is zero argument otherwise. No lawyer will be able to help you. You will very definitely end up in jail.
This post is evidence of your criminal intent.
Your rationale here makes you sound like a sovereign citizen. You certainly don’t sound very wise. Not collecting a last paycheck, because paperwork…damn.
The IRS won’t call you, they’ll send certified mail and the fucking will start and you will probably continue to fuck aroind and end up prison and from what I’ve read here, you will never recover.
Don’t forget the 1 year of jail per year of not filing taxes if considered tax evasion. If you cannot pay your taxes they cannot jail you. Aka, file your taxes and don’t pay your taxes and you should be fine. Don’t file or pay and you might get hit with tax evasion eventually. More likely just get hit with an extra 25% of his taxes he didn’t pay as it goes up by 5% a year until it stops at 25.
I didn’t want to assume based off what little they provided since often this libertarian puffery but their follow up indicates clear intent to evade taxes.
Not filing is tax evasion a bit of research would alleviate them of any misconceptions on this.
There only hope is to file all those years and as you noted, ignore the penalties but I see no indication they’ll be doing that anytime soon.
This type of person is the reason cash app and others are now required to report. And if this fool tries to skirt around by structuring payments under those limits, they’ll fuck themselves in ways only money launderers experience.
The fact that they haven’t hit the existing limits indicates they are living a life of poverty. They are putting themselves at substantial risk over tiny sums of money. Either that or they are structuring payments, at which point money laundering comes into play and whoever is playing along with them is putting themselves at substantial risk.
Okay, I can deal with being told I’m wrong about stuff, and I’m fine with being the scapegoat for why those apps have to report things now (thats 100% true, not just me of course but so many people do that), and I don’t mind being called poor, or a tax cheat… But one thing I am certainly not is a Libertarian (or SovCit)… Perhaps if i had to settle on a less than ideal term i’d say “tax protester”… but even that is a bit of a stretch, I’m not against taxes, I’m against convuluted and corrupt systems that are clearly appeasing private companies (turbotax) instead of doing what their actually supposed to.
And yeah maybe it is a bit of some kind of “puffery” but my point is not that I dont want to pay taxes or that I hate the government, My point is the IRS is nearly incapable of going after even blantant tax cheats, forget about folks like me who just don’t file, and of course the obvious solution is that if they already know what we owe they could (and many other countries do) simply send a bill… but you know who would hate that, the rich folks who are able to take advantage of how complicated our tax system is so they can game the system.
Are you feeling superior over not filing your taxing?
The most likely scenario here is that if were you to file, you’d receive a refund. The IRS will happily keep your money.
However, if you have mucked with your deductions such that you are underpaying, you’re playing a dangerous game.
As they say, fuck around and find out. In this case the fuck around part will especially unpleasant.
Hope you maintain cash only lifestyle because they will empty your bank accounts. They will garnish your wages. They will get a their money with penalties and interest.
Not superior, like i said Im just waiting on the bill. I’m also not doing any “cheating” I’m just not filing at all. Cheating would imply that i know for a fact I’m doing somthing wrong when the reality is, Im just bad with my finances and I have no idea is i made over $500 last year, and apparently neither does the IRS… I mean presumably i do since I pay rent, have a car, buy groceries, etc… but gosh darn it I just can’t keep track.
I’ve been self employed since i was 15 so its much more likely i’d “owe” money, i’ve used various state/gov website tools to check if i’m owed taxes or other payments and for the single non-self employed job i worked for 6 months the only thing i was owed is a last paycheck i never bothered to file the paperwork to claim, they can have that $120 or whatever it was.
I’m not underpaying anything, in order to under pay something there has to be a bill to start with, i’ve not gotten any kind of bill saying what i owe so how could i possibly underpay it?
I don’t “deduct” anything, I literally just do not file. Simple as that. If its such a big deal, why have I never once had so much as a notice or a phone call to remind me i owe anything?
My point is, its not my job, I dont work for the IRS or turbotax, so why should i have to tell them how much i should owe on the money I made with my own business… if the IRS would catch up to the rest of the civilized world and actually to THEIR JOB, i’d be fine with paying, but if they want me to do the work, well okay boss, I did and i came to the conclusion i dont owe shit, guess you’ll just have to take my word for it.
And no you don’t need to live a “cash only” lifestyle for this to work, because believe it or not, Venmo and Cashapp and all those others, they also don’t give a shit, sure they’ll do the bare minimum and report transactions, they’ll ban you if you get super obvious with laundering/structuring , but without context the IRS has no idea if they’re taxable events or not, and believe it or not, they can’t (or choose not to) “garnish” things like cashapp/venmo/onlyfans/crypto/patreon/etc or just take money out of them because they aren’t real bank accounts.
people act like the IRS is this crazy all powerful agency, but really they’re so underfunded they literally cannot afford to go after people who legitimately do cheat, sure they get one or 2 now and then to make examples out of, but thats out of hundreds of millions of people. Just look at the NY fraud case happening against trump now and how totaly obvious all that fraud was, but to Trump, and to all his chronies, that was totally legitimate business as usual, and its 100% true, go try to find a place to rent in NY that isn’t lying out their asses about things like square footage, or find A company that doesn’t constantly inflate assets values of their “brand” when applying for loans then deflate them when filing taxes.
Its all a huge clusterfuck of a system and I simply choose not to participate.
Playing stupid stops working when you hit 18. The IRS doesn’t give a fuck if you can’t keep track of it. They will assume it’s all a taxable event if you cannot prove otherwise.
Those apps are reporting anything over a certain minimum. When the IRS decides you’re worth going after, they will audit you, they will go back as many years as allowed by law, you will be fucked.
What you’re doing is tax evasion. There is zero argument otherwise. No lawyer will be able to help you. You will very definitely end up in jail.
This post is evidence of your criminal intent.
Your rationale here makes you sound like a sovereign citizen. You certainly don’t sound very wise. Not collecting a last paycheck, because paperwork…damn.
The IRS won’t call you, they’ll send certified mail and the fucking will start and you will probably continue to fuck aroind and end up prison and from what I’ve read here, you will never recover.
Don’t forget the 1 year of jail per year of not filing taxes if considered tax evasion. If you cannot pay your taxes they cannot jail you. Aka, file your taxes and don’t pay your taxes and you should be fine. Don’t file or pay and you might get hit with tax evasion eventually. More likely just get hit with an extra 25% of his taxes he didn’t pay as it goes up by 5% a year until it stops at 25.
I didn’t want to assume based off what little they provided since often this libertarian puffery but their follow up indicates clear intent to evade taxes.
Not filing is tax evasion a bit of research would alleviate them of any misconceptions on this.
There only hope is to file all those years and as you noted, ignore the penalties but I see no indication they’ll be doing that anytime soon.
This type of person is the reason cash app and others are now required to report. And if this fool tries to skirt around by structuring payments under those limits, they’ll fuck themselves in ways only money launderers experience.
The fact that they haven’t hit the existing limits indicates they are living a life of poverty. They are putting themselves at substantial risk over tiny sums of money. Either that or they are structuring payments, at which point money laundering comes into play and whoever is playing along with them is putting themselves at substantial risk.
Okay, I can deal with being told I’m wrong about stuff, and I’m fine with being the scapegoat for why those apps have to report things now (thats 100% true, not just me of course but so many people do that), and I don’t mind being called poor, or a tax cheat… But one thing I am certainly not is a Libertarian (or SovCit)… Perhaps if i had to settle on a less than ideal term i’d say “tax protester”… but even that is a bit of a stretch, I’m not against taxes, I’m against convuluted and corrupt systems that are clearly appeasing private companies (turbotax) instead of doing what their actually supposed to.
And yeah maybe it is a bit of some kind of “puffery” but my point is not that I dont want to pay taxes or that I hate the government, My point is the IRS is nearly incapable of going after even blantant tax cheats, forget about folks like me who just don’t file, and of course the obvious solution is that if they already know what we owe they could (and many other countries do) simply send a bill… but you know who would hate that, the rich folks who are able to take advantage of how complicated our tax system is so they can game the system.